Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 Gene, Comments below: Nisargadatta , " Gene Poole " <gene_poole@q...> wrote: > " patricia370009 " <patricia370009> wrote: > > > Gene, > > > > Comments below: > > > > > " Gene Poole " <gene_poole@q...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The natural anxiety of Being, which is occurring right now, > > > is in fact the natural doorway or gate into the realm you > > > seem to desire to enter. It starts with a mild, annoying > > > sensation of buzzing or vibration in the body, and if > > > allowed, will grow to a mighty shaking. To allow this to > > > occur, as did Ramana, is also to allow to occur the natural > > > reconfiguration of 'mind'; mind will be depleted of the > > > superficial and false memories of the 'values of things'; > > > and things then appear exactly as they do, with no > > > additions or subtractions; no editing. > > > > > > Okay, this looks like an answer: don't take any action to end the > > pain, just allow yourself to go through the natural doorway. Is > > that what you are saying? > > Hi Patricia... > > Sorry for the delay, I have been out of town. > > Well, not a bad summary, but I did not give > advice, I told a story. The distinction is very > significant. > Yes, I did not regard it as advice. At the time I requested feedback I was in a very uncomfortable position. I have found at those times that reaching out can often result in exactly the answer I need at a particular moment. As this did. > > > The internal > > > conversation is seen for what it is; mediation, to keep > > > the dooway closed; the same conversation which we > > > had as children, to convince ourselves that the monsters > > > under the bed, really did not exist. > > > > > > Okay, I think you are saying the debate in my head over whether to > > take action to end the pain would preclude realization. Is that > > correct? > > > > > > Thank you, Gene > > > > patricia > > Another pretty accurate summary. > > Can you keep both versions, mine and yours? Sure > > When we 'boil down' descriptions or stories, > we often lose a part of the essence. The resulting > condensate may be more concentrated and potent, > but will it do what is needed? That depends on for whom. > > In my last paragraph, above: > > " The internal > conversation is seen for what it is; mediation, to keep > the dooway closed; the same conversation which we > had as children, to convince ourselves that the monsters > under the bed, really did not exist. " > > How strange it is, for a person to have > a conversation, for the purpose of > banishing what does not exist; also, > for the purpose of bringing into existence, > what cannot exist. > > There were not really monsters to banish; > is there really 'enlightenment' to obtain? While I understand the point you are making I cannot help thinking it might be a mistake to assume there were no monsters under the bed. > > Patricia, it is all encoded in how we tell the > story. > > If I read Sri Nisargadatta, I hear the story > in ways which are probably significantly > different than do you; in other words, as > I read a book, or a posting to a web page, > I may think I am reading what is written, > but really, I am telling myself a story, based > on what I am reading. And this is not simply > a matter of interpretation, it is instead, a > matter of my own ongoing story, telling me > a version of what Sri Nis said. Interesting. Not sure why, but this passage or quote from the Master came to mind: " It is your word you have in mind, not mine. What do you know of me, when even my talk with you is your world only? You had no reason to believe that my world is identical with yours. My world is real, true, as it is perceived, while yours appears and disappears, according to the state of your mind. Your world is something alien, and you are afraid of it. My world is myself. I am at home. " p. 17 I Am That > > Some people read all spiritual texts, as though > they are recipe books which are packed with > important facts, things to memorize and to > plan and do. In no way, does this challenge > the tendencies, which spiritual practice is > designed to abolish. > > It is possible to read Sri Nis or Ramana in > the assumption that they are speaking from > the position of success, that you or anyone > might imagine is attainable. It is also possible > to read those texts, in the assumption that > the author/speaker is really describing utter > failure, of the attempt to attain; and that having > given up the assumption of attainment, peace > and clarity has been found. It is also possible to read them and take only what one needs. > > Just examples I thought I would present. > > > ==Gene Poole== Thank you, Gene, I appreciate it. patricia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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