Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 Practice is better than idea and discussion. "Hold on to the sense "I am" to the exclusion of everything else.The mind being thus silent will shine with a new light and vibrate in the totality.When you keep the "I am" feeling in the focus of awareness and watch yourself ceaselessly - when there is continuous witnessing of all movement in consciousness - the conscious and the unconscious will for a time play the game of hide and seek until finally the two become one and the one becomes the totality.The person then merges in the witness, the witness in awareness in pure being - who is there then to take a measure of that ecstasy?"- Parsa Nisargadatta Tuesday, June 10, 2003 5:31 PM Re: FearBE affraid my friend.........soon your head will be in the tiger's mouth!Parsa **If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1Under the Message Delivery option, choose "No Email" for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 Nothing to add to this, it's now time for me to leave! I Love you all! Thanks! Nisargadatta , " kim ja nyun " <kjn@h...> wrote: > Practice is better than idea and discussion. > > " Hold on to the sense " I am " to the exclusion of everything else. > The mind being thus silent will shine with a new light and vibrate in the totality. > When you keep the " I am " feeling in the focus of awareness and watch yourself ceaselessly - when there is continuous witnessing of all movement in consciousness - the conscious and the unconscious will for a time play the game of hide and seek until finally the two become one and the one becomes the totality. > The person then merges in the witness, the witness in awareness in pure being - who is there then to take a measure of that ecstasy? " > > - > Parsa > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, June 10, 2003 5:31 PM > Re: Fear > > > BE affraid my friend.........soon your head will be in the tiger's > mouth! > > Parsa > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 Practice implies existence of an individual Do-er who would do the practice and by doing so Projecting and extending himself in time/space in order to achiving an illusory goal. 'Who' is this individual? Who needs to practice and why? Nisargadatta , " kim ja nyun " <kjn@h...> wrote: > Practice is better than idea and discussion. > > " Hold on to the sense " I am " to the exclusion of everything else. > The mind being thus silent will shine with a new light and vibrate in the totality. > When you keep the " I am " feeling in the focus of awareness and watch yourself ceaselessly - when there is continuous witnessing of all movement in consciousness - the conscious and the unconscious will for a time play the game of hide and seek until finally the two become one and the one becomes the totality. > The person then merges in the witness, the witness in awareness in pure being - who is there then to take a measure of that ecstasy? " > > - > Parsa > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, June 10, 2003 5:31 PM > Re: Fear > > > BE affraid my friend.........soon your head will be in the tiger's > mouth! > > Parsa > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 There is nothing to practice , nothing to be or do! --- Parsa <parsa_neekdel wrote: Practice implies existence of an individual Do-er who would do the practice and by doing so Projecting and extending himself in time/space in order to achiving an illusory goal. 'Who' is this individual? Who needs to practice and why? Nisargadatta , " kim ja nyun " <kjn@h...> wrote: > Practice is better than idea and discussion. > > " Hold on to the sense " I am " to the exclusion of everything else. > The mind being thus silent will shine with a new light and vibrate in the totality. > When you keep the " I am " feeling in the focus of awareness and watch yourself ceaselessly - when there is continuous witnessing of all movement in consciousness - the conscious and the unconscious will for a time play the game of hide and seek until finally the two become one and the one becomes the totality. > The person then merges in the witness, the witness in awareness in pure being - who is there then to take a measure of that ecstasy? " > > - > Parsa > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, June 10, 2003 5:31 PM > Re: Fear > > > BE affraid my friend.........soon your head will be in the tiger's > mouth! > > Parsa > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Parsa " <parsa_neekdel> wrote: > Practice implies existence of an individual Do-er who would do the > practice and by doing so Projecting and extending himself in > time/space in order to achiving an illusory goal. 'Who' is this > individual? Who needs to practice and why? Nothing could possibly imply something that has never existed anywhere. To make assumptions that practice must be for a separable someone is illogical if it is clear that such a someone has never existed. Practice arises just as everything arises, including your speech offered above. Practice need not be toward a goal, or for a someone -- once it is clear that life doesn't arise toward a goal, nor with any separately existing someones, practice simply is as it is. Just like running is as it is, or thinking is as it is, or posting on a list is as it is. Peace, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 Nisargadatta , Good Man <goodman_coming> wrote: > There is nothing to practice , nothing to be or do! There is nothing not to do, nothing not to be done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 Who's counting? In Freedom appearances of " someone practicing " or not are irrelevant. There is indifference. Nothing manifest gives a clue. Freedom is beyond all that. -Bill Parsa [parsa_neekdel] Wednesday, June 11, 2003 1:49 AM Nisargadatta Re: practice Practice implies existence of an individual Do-er who would do the practice and by doing so Projecting and extending himself in time/space in order to achiving an illusory goal. 'Who' is this individual? Who needs to practice and why? Nisargadatta , " kim ja nyun " <kjn@h...> wrote: > Practice is better than idea and discussion. > > " Hold on to the sense " I am " to the exclusion of everything else. > The mind being thus silent will shine with a new light and vibrate in the totality. > When you keep the " I am " feeling in the focus of awareness and watch yourself ceaselessly - when there is continuous witnessing of all movement in consciousness - the conscious and the unconscious will for a time play the game of hide and seek until finally the two become one and the one becomes the totality. > The person then merges in the witness, the witness in awareness in pure being - who is there then to take a measure of that ecstasy? " > > - > Parsa > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, June 10, 2003 5:31 PM > Re: Fear > > > BE affraid my friend.........soon your head will be in the tiger's > mouth! > > Parsa > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 on 6/11/03 5:25 AM, dan330033 at dan330033 wrote: > Nisargadatta , " Parsa " <parsa_neekdel> > wrote: >> Practice implies existence of an individual Do-er who would do the >> practice and by doing so Projecting and extending himself in >> time/space in order to achiving an illusory goal. 'Who' is this >> individual? Who needs to practice and why? > > Nothing could possibly imply something that has never > existed anywhere. > > To make assumptions that practice must be for a separable > someone is illogical if it is clear that such a someone > has never existed. > > Practice arises just as everything arises, including > your speech offered above. > > Practice need not be toward a goal, or for a someone -- > once it is clear that life doesn't arise toward a > goal, nor with any separately existing someones, > practice simply is as it is. > > Just like running is as it is, or thinking is as it is, > or posting on a list is as it is. > > Peace, > Dan Just so, Danji. If there is ignorance, efforts arise to apparently remove it. ;-) ))))))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 Start from individual Doer, then you shall reaize individual doer is illusion.If you really realize now, No problem(no need) about practice is. - Parsa Nisargadatta Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:48 PM Re: practicePractice implies existence of an individual Do-er who would do the practice and by doing so Projecting and extending himself in time/space in order to achiving an illusory goal. 'Who' is this individual? Who needs to practice and why? Nisargadatta , "kim ja nyun" <kjn@h...> wrote:> Practice is better than idea and discussion. > > "Hold on to the sense "I am" to the exclusion of everything else.> The mind being thus silent will shine with a new light and vibrate in the totality.> When you keep the "I am" feeling in the focus of awareness and watch yourself ceaselessly - when there is continuous witnessing of all movement in consciousness - the conscious and the unconscious will for a time play the game of hide and seek until finally the two become one and the one becomes the totality.> The person then merges in the witness, the witness in awareness in pure being - who is there then to take a measure of that ecstasy?"> > - > Parsa > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, June 10, 2003 5:31 PM> Re: Fear> > > BE affraid my friend.........soon your head will be in the tiger's > mouth!> > Parsa > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 you are realized!That is all. - Good Man Nisargadatta Wednesday, June 11, 2003 6:25 PMRe: Re: practiceThere is nothing to practice , nothing to be or do!--- Parsa <parsa_neekdel wrote: Practice implies existence of an individual Do-er whowould do the practice and by doing so Projecting and extendinghimself in time/space in order to achiving an illusory goal.'Who' is this individual? Who needs to practice and why? Nisargadatta , "kim ja nyun"<kjn@h...> wrote:> Practice is better than idea and discussion. > > "Hold on to the sense "I am" to the exclusion ofeverything else.> The mind being thus silent will shine with a newlight and vibrate in the totality.> When you keep the "I am" feeling in the focus ofawareness and watch yourself ceaselessly - when there is continuouswitnessing of all movement in consciousness - the conscious and theunconscious will for a time play the game of hide and seek untilfinally the two become one and the one becomes the totality.> The person then merges in the witness, the witnessin awareness in pure being - who is there then to take a measure ofthat ecstasy?"> > - > Parsa > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, June 10, 2003 5:31 PM> Re: Fear> > > BE affraid my friend.........soon your head willbe in the tiger's > mouth!> > Parsa > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 Are you in peace? If you are in peace, then no need for practice. - dan330033 Nisargadatta Thursday, June 12, 2003 12:25 AM Re: practiceNisargadatta , "Parsa" <parsa_neekdel> wrote:> Practice implies existence of an individual Do-er who would do the > practice and by doing so Projecting and extending himself in > time/space in order to achiving an illusory goal. 'Who' is this > individual? Who needs to practice and why? Nothing could possibly imply something that has never existed anywhere.To make assumptions that practice must be for a separable someone is illogical if it is clear that such a someone has never existed.Practice arises just as everything arises, including your speech offered above.Practice need not be toward a goal, or for a someone -- once it is clear that life doesn't arise toward a goal, nor with any separately existing someones, practice simply is as it is.Just like running is as it is, or thinking is as it is, or posting on a list is as it is.Peace,Dan**If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1Under the Message Delivery option, choose "No Email" for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Parsa " <parsa_neekdel> wrote: > Practice implies existence of an individual Do-er who would do the > practice and by doing so Projecting and extending himself in > time/space in order to achiving an illusory goal. 'Who' is this > individual? Who needs to practice and why? How would this apply to piano practice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 Nisargadatta , Good Man <goodman_coming> wrote: > There is nothing to practice , nothing to be or do! > if you can practice that, then fine... if not, then you'd better practice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > Nisargadatta , Good Man <goodman_coming> > wrote: > > There is nothing to practice , nothing to be or do! > > There is nothing not to do, nothing not to be done! this is exactly what Charlotte Joko Beck says... She says you have to practice. She says the whole thing happens via practicing.... then, in her instructions on practice she says to check your intention.... recognizing there is nowhere to go, nothing to do. So the practice is this: nothing to do, no where to go... how do you do that? how do you 'not do' that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 dan330033 <dan330033 wrote: Nothing could possibly imply something that has never existed anywhere.To make assumptions that practice must be for a separable someone is illogical if it is clear that such a someone has never existed.Practice arises just as everything arises, including your speech offered above.Practice need not be toward a goal, or for a someone -- once it is clear that life doesn't arise toward a goal, nor with any separately existing someones, practice simply is as it is.Just like running is as it is, or thinking is as it is, or posting on a list is as it is.Peace, Dan PracticING happens by itself and things get improved on their own - to think there is a precticER involved whos efforts may alter the direction of events is the illusion! **If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1Under the Message Delivery option, choose "No Email" for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 Nisargadatta , shawn <shawn@w...> wrote: > on 6/11/03 5:25 AM, dan330033 at dan330033 wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " Parsa " <parsa_neekdel> > > wrote: > >> Practice implies existence of an individual Do-er who would do the > >> practice and by doing so Projecting and extending himself in > >> time/space in order to achiving an illusory goal. 'Who' is this > >> individual? Who needs to practice and why? > > > > Nothing could possibly imply something that has never > > existed anywhere. > > > > To make assumptions that practice must be for a separable > > someone is illogical if it is clear that such a someone > > has never existed. > > > > Practice arises just as everything arises, including > > your speech offered above. > > > > Practice need not be toward a goal, or for a someone -- > > once it is clear that life doesn't arise toward a > > goal, nor with any separately existing someones, > > practice simply is as it is. > > > > Just like running is as it is, or thinking is as it is, > > or posting on a list is as it is. > > > > Peace, > > Dan > > Just so, Danji. > > If there is ignorance, efforts arise to apparently remove it. ;-) > > ))))))))Shawn Yes, Shawn, and seeing through the whole game is wisdom. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 Nisargadatta , " kim ja nyun " <kjn@h...> wrote: > Are you in peace? > If you are in peace, then no need for practice. Also no need not to practice. Also no need to make a statement about practicing or not practicing. Whatever seemingly occurs, occurs. No problem anywhere. No realization to have or speak of. Peace, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 Nisargadatta , " bondzai " <bondzai> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Good Man <goodman_coming> > > wrote: > > > There is nothing to practice , nothing to be or do! > > > > There is nothing not to do, nothing not to be done! > > this is exactly what Charlotte Joko Beck says... > > She says you have to practice. She says the whole thing happens via > practicing.... then, in her instructions on practice she says to > check your intention.... recognizing there is nowhere to go, nothing > to do. > > So the practice is this: > > nothing to do, no where to go... > > how do you do that? how do you 'not do' that? Hey, nice to hear that! Also, the frogs who expound nightly at the pond near my house, say the same thing! -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 Nisargadatta , parsa neekdel <parsa_neekdel> wrote: > dan330033 <dan330033> wrote: > Nothing could possibly imply something that has never > existed anywhere. > > To make assumptions that practice must be for a separable > someone is illogical if it is clear that such a someone > has never existed. > > Practice arises just as everything arises, including > your speech offered above. > > Practice need not be toward a goal, or for a someone -- > once it is clear that life doesn't arise toward a > goal, nor with any separately existing someones, > practice simply is as it is. > > Just like running is as it is, or thinking is as it is, > or posting on a list is as it is. > > Peace, > > Dan > > > PracticING happens by itself and things get improved on their own - to think there is a precticER involved whos efforts may alter the direction of events is the illusion! > To believe there are things that need to be improved is delusion, as it is to believe there are things that don't need to be improved. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2003 Report Share Posted June 13, 2003 non-practice makes perfect practice -Bill kim ja nyun [kjn]Tuesday, June 10, 2003 4:46 PMNisargadatta Subject: practice Practice is better than idea and discussion. "Hold on to the sense "I am" to the exclusion of everything else.The mind being thus silent will shine with a new light and vibrate in the totality.When you keep the "I am" feeling in the focus of awareness and watch yourself ceaselessly - when there is continuous witnessing of all movement in consciousness - the conscious and the unconscious will for a time play the game of hide and seek until finally the two become one and the one becomes the totality.The person then merges in the witness, the witness in awareness in pure being - who is there then to take a measure of that ecstasy?" - Parsa Nisargadatta Tuesday, June 10, 2003 5:31 PM Re: Fear BE affraid my friend.........soon your head will be in the tiger's mouth!Parsa **If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1Under the Message Delivery option, choose "No Email" for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2003 Report Share Posted June 13, 2003 Good, no word is need!but let's talk for a pastime.I am not the talker, but the witness. Talker is the consciousness. - dan330033 Nisargadatta Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:53 PM Re: practiceYes, Shawn, and seeing through the whole game is wisdom.-- Dan**If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1Under the Message Delivery option, choose "No Email" for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2003 Report Share Posted June 13, 2003 > Nisargadatta , parsa neekdel > <parsa_neekdel> wrote: > > dan330033 <dan330033> wrote: > > PracticING happens by itself and things get improved on their own - > to think there is a precticER involved whos efforts may alter the > direction of events is the illusion! > > > > To believe there are things that need to be improved is > delusion, as it is to believe there are things that > don't need to be improved. > > -- Dan Dan Thanks for improving what was said above. Parsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2003 Report Share Posted June 13, 2003 Nisargadatta , " kim ja nyun " <kjn@h...> wrote: > Good, > no word is need! > but let's talk for a pastime. > I am not the talker, but the witness. > Talker is the consciousness. > Nothing to be said. Nothing has ever been said. So, we're free to talk however the spirit moves us! -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2003 Report Share Posted June 13, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Parsa " <parsa_neekdel> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , parsa neekdel > > <parsa_neekdel> wrote: > > > dan330033 <dan330033> wrote: > > > > PracticING happens by itself and things get improved on their > own - > > to think there is a precticER involved whos efforts may alter the > > direction of events is the illusion! > > > > > > > To believe there are things that need to be improved is > > delusion, as it is to believe there are things that > > don't need to be improved. > > > > -- Dan > > Dan > Thanks for improving what was said above. > Parsa For whom did anything improve? -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2003 Report Share Posted June 13, 2003 > > For whom did anything improve? > > -- Dan It's getting better all the time I used to get mad at my school The teachers that taught me weren't cool You're holding me down Burning me round filling me up with the rules I've got to admit it's getting better a little better all the time I have to admit it's getting better it's getting better since you've been mine Me used to be angry young man Me hiding me head in the sand You gave me the word I finally heard I'm doing the best that I can I've got to admit it's getting better a little better all the time I have to admit it's getting better it's getting better since you've been mine getting so much better all the time It's getting better all the time better, better, better It's getting better all the time better, better, better I used to be cruel to my woman I beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved Man, I was mean but I'm changing my scene and I'm doing the best that I can I've got to admit it's getting better a little better all the time Yes, admit it's getting better it's getting better since you've been mine getting so much better all the time It's getting better all the time better, better, better It's getting better all the time better, better, better Getting so much better all the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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