Guest guest Posted June 30, 2003 Report Share Posted June 30, 2003 Quotation from 'Explorations into the Eternal'. "The subjective certre must be clearly distinguished from the objective centre because it is the confusion between the two which suddenly makes one stop in one's tracks and ask: What am I doing here in this world? What exactly am 'I', other than this physical frame that is born and after a time must die? We may ignore these questions and brush them aside whenever they arise, but they persist and can not be denied. There is a clear distinction between the subjective centre which is intuitively referred to when each one of us says 'I' - the ultimate symbol of what we are - and the tri-dimensional phenomenal object that we identify ourselves with when we say 'I' but actually mean 'ME'. A deep apperception of this distinction - between the subjective perceiving centre that we are and the objective operating centre that we think we are - provides not only the answer to those persistent, nagging questions about our real nature, but, more importantly perhaps, saves us from considerable misery and unhappiness that man has unnecessarily made himself heir to. The mistake that occurs is that we identify ourselves with the objective operational centre - the mechanisms - and forget that we are the subjective functional centre which is beyond phenomenality and which provides the original energy (as consciousness and sentience) to the millions of mechanisms known as sentient beings which, without that energy are only 'dead matter'. This 'mistake' is understandable and indeed not illogical because all operations of the psychosomatic apparatus are indeed directed from this objective centre; and this objective centre is thus mistaken for the subjective centre (sentience), the switchboard is mistaken for the power-station. In actual fact, however, the objective operational centre is only psychic just as the heart or the liver is somatic, purely phenomenal and entirely devoid of any subjective noumenal aspect - and therefore obviously without any volition or autonomy or independence in regard to any choice or decision." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2003 Report Share Posted June 30, 2003 Kim, This is the most obtuse writing I've ever read. It is " heady " and confusing as hell! Who wrote this stuff? I want to make sure I never bother to read it. Love you buddy but this just sucks! ))))))Shawn on 6/29/03 1:41 PM, kim ja nyun at kjn wrote: > Quotation from 'Explorations into the Eternal'. > > " The subjective certre must be clearly distinguished from the objective centre > because it is the confusion between the two which suddenly makes one stop in > one's tracks and ask: What am I doing here in this world? What exactly am 'I', > other than this physical frame that is born and after a time must die? We may > ignore these questions and brush them aside whenever they arise, but they > persist and can not be denied. > > There is a clear distinction between the subjective centre which is > intuitively referred to when each one of us says 'I' - the ultimate symbol of > what we are - and the tri-dimensional phenomenal object that we identify > ourselves with when we say 'I' but actually mean 'ME'. A deep apperception of > this distinction - between the subjective perceiving centre that we are and > the objective operating centre that we think we are - provides not only the > answer to those persistent, nagging questions about our real nature, but, more > importantly perhaps, saves us from considerable misery and unhappiness that > man has unnecessarily made himself heir to. > > The mistake that occurs is that we identify ourselves with the objective > operational centre - the mechanisms - and forget that we are the subjective > functional centre which is beyond phenomenality and which provides the > original energy (as consciousness and sentience) to the millions of mechanisms > known as sentient beings which, without that energy are only 'dead matter'. > This 'mistake' is understandable and indeed not illogical because all > operations of the psychosomatic apparatus are indeed directed from this > objective centre; and this objective centre is thus mistaken for the > subjective centre (sentience), the switchboard is mistaken for the > power-station. In actual fact, however, the objective operational centre is > only psychic just as the heart or the liver is somatic, purely phenomenal and > entirely devoid of any subjective noumenal aspect - and therefore obviously > without any volition or autonomy or independence in regard to any choice or > decision. " > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2003 Report Share Posted June 30, 2003 Nobody wrote. But this stuff may help somebody's understanding of reality. Nisargadatta , shawn <shawn@w...> wrote: > Kim, > > This is the most obtuse writing I've ever read. It is " heady " and confusing > as hell! Who wrote this stuff? I want to make sure I never bother to read > it. Love you buddy but this just sucks! > > ))))))Shawn > > > > on 6/29/03 1:41 PM, kim ja nyun at kjn@h... wrote: > > > Quotation from 'Explorations into the Eternal'. > > > > " The subjective certre must be clearly distinguished from the objective centre > > because it is the confusion between the two which suddenly makes one stop in > > one's tracks and ask: What am I doing here in this world? What exactly am 'I', > > other than this physical frame that is born and after a time must die? We may > > ignore these questions and brush them aside whenever they arise, but they > > persist and can not be denied. > > > > There is a clear distinction between the subjective centre which is > > intuitively referred to when each one of us says 'I' - the ultimate symbol of > > what we are - and the tri-dimensional phenomenal object that we identify > > ourselves with when we say 'I' but actually mean 'ME'. A deep apperception of > > this distinction - between the subjective perceiving centre that we are and > > the objective operating centre that we think we are - provides not only the > > answer to those persistent, nagging questions about our real nature, but, more > > importantly perhaps, saves us from considerable misery and unhappiness that > > man has unnecessarily made himself heir to. > > > > The mistake that occurs is that we identify ourselves with the objective > > operational centre - the mechanisms - and forget that we are the subjective > > functional centre which is beyond phenomenality and which provides the > > original energy (as consciousness and sentience) to the millions of mechanisms > > known as sentient beings which, without that energy are only 'dead matter'. > > This 'mistake' is understandable and indeed not illogical because all > > operations of the psychosomatic apparatus are indeed directed from this > > objective centre; and this objective centre is thus mistaken for the > > subjective centre (sentience), the switchboard is mistaken for the > > power-station. In actual fact, however, the objective operational centre is > > only psychic just as the heart or the liver is somatic, purely phenomenal and > > entirely devoid of any subjective noumenal aspect - and therefore obviously > > without any volition or autonomy or independence in regard to any choice or > > decision. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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