devotional advaita

[Guest guest]

i was thinking...

advaita is devotion without the imaginary Other.

for the advaitins though no fault of their own

this imaginary Other has disappeared

whereas for the dualist worshipper, this imaginary Other is still

present, though no fault of their own.

 

this devotion aspect often gets lost in the modern advaita books,

mainly because of editing. i remember reading the story of the

westerner who visited maharaj after reading " i am that. " when he

found maharaj doing bhajans, devotional rituals four times a day, the

seeker was confused. after all there was no mention of this in the

advaita books. when the seeker asked maharaj why he was still

involved with these rituals, maharaj responded, " i am the devotion. "

[Guest guest]

Hi Hur,

 

Yes, activity has nothing to do with apperception.

 

In the sense no activity can lead to apperception.

Nor activities cease with apperception, so long the instrument is still "alive".

 

So bring on the cymbals and the drums and holler your songs, even if you cannot carry a single tune.

 

 

 

 

 

-

Hur Guler

Nisargadatta

Monday, July 28, 2003 10:55 AM

devotional advaita

i was thinking...advaita is devotion without the imaginary Other. for the advaitins though no fault of their own this imaginary Other has disappearedwhereas for the dualist worshipper, this imaginary Other is still present, though no fault of their own. this devotion aspect often gets lost in the modern advaita books, mainly because of editing. i remember reading the story of the westerner who visited maharaj after reading "i am that." when he found maharaj doing bhajans, devotional rituals four times a day, the seeker was confused. after all there was no mention of this in the advaita books. when the seeker asked maharaj why he was still involved with these rituals, maharaj responded, "i am the devotion."

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , Sandeep Chatterjee

<sandeepc@b...> wrote:

> Hi Hur,

>

> Yes, activity has nothing to do with apperception.

>

> In the sense no activity can lead to apperception.

 

 

hi sandeep,

 

indeed, activities (emotions, love songs, etc) and apperception seem

to be two different things. with the above statement are you

suggesting that apperception is not an activity of the mind? are you

using the word apperception in the same sense as consciousness? if

so, i'll skip to the next thread where you ask what the big C is.

 

hur

[Guest guest]

apperception is mysteriousI have no idea if how I use the term corresponds to other usagesIt seems impossible to define (except vaguely)It is borderline to speak of apperception as an experience

 

Apperception cannot be seenApperception is a *kind* of seeingA "meta-seeing" perhaps is an techincally accurate designation

 

As you say, "no activity can lead to apperception".

 

And it seems now --- for me -- always "available*.

 

What is "meta-seen" thereby is unspeakable.

 

Everything else is shadow-play in relation.

 

-Bill

 

Sandeep Chatterjee [sandeepc]Monday, July 28, 2003 4:41 AMNisargadatta Subject: Re: devotional advaita

 

Hi Hur,

 

Yes, activity has nothing to do with apperception.

 

In the sense no activity can lead to apperception.Nor activities cease with apperception, so long the instrument is still "alive".

 

So bring on the cymbals and the drums and holler your songs, even if you cannot carry a single tune.

 

 

 

- Hur Guler Nisargadatta Monday, July 28, 2003 10:55 AM devotional advaita

 

i was thinking...advaita is devotion without the imaginary Other. for the advaitins though no fault of their own this imaginary Other has disappearedwhereas for the dualist worshipper, this imaginary Other is still present, though no fault of their own.

 

this devotion aspect often gets lost in the modern advaita books, mainly because of editing. i remember reading the story of the westerner who visited maharaj after reading "i am that." when he found maharaj doing bhajans, devotional rituals four times a day, the seeker was confused. after all there was no mention of this in the advaita books. when the seeker asked maharaj why he was still involved with these rituals, maharaj responded, "i am the devotion."