Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 > Ahao San, > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, July 29, 2003 09:42 PM > Re: The thingy known as Consciousness > > > Hi San -- > > I like what you have to say on this subject. > > If you're going to assert: > > > To state Consciousness is......... " that " , from > which.............. > > > > .....or....... > > ............. Consciousness, is such and such...... > > > > .., would it not need a position separate from Consciousness, > in order to make that affirmation? > > a statement with which I agree, > > and this: > > > If all positions, are nothing but arisings of Consciousness, > can there be an answer to the question, an answer which in > essence,... is not a conditioned hoopla? > > which, indeed, follows, > > then, when you say: > > > For example, the conditioning in the affirmation " That from > which every instant arises " , being......... there is something which > arises. > > you've discounted your own statements (which, if not arising, can't > be read or responded to) > > --------- > > Can you come again on that, Dan? > > > ------------ Okay. If your statements don't arise I can't read them. Reading them, therefore they have arisen. If affirming that their arising is conditioning, then whatever is being said in the statement is conditioning -- for the statement is arising. In other words, whatever comments you make about conditioning are themselves conditioned -- whatever is said. And anything being perceived, whether your statements or anything else, is perceived in the context of conditioning. So, I can't really comment on the activity of conditioning, since the comment is conditioned. Same with perception, I can't perceive what conditioning actually is, because perceptions are conditioned -- and conditional. So, nothing is being said, ever -- or perceived, or known. As conditioning can't be aware of itself as conditioning, as what it is, as how perceptions arise. > > And that's a cop-out,...... which says, the answer is non- > verbalized, it has to be experienced in the silence of the heart in > the right side of the chest, or whichever part of the body. > > but then, your statement also is a cop-out, because it has > to arise to pronounce that another statement is a cop-out > > ------- > > Sure. > > That is why, for all the offerings offered all over,...... the term > used,.... has been " prattlings " . Yes. Which has a nice ring to it. You could say, " the prattlings of Einstein, " as well, or " the prattlings of Osama Bin Laden, " or " the prattlings of the Pope " -- it has a lot of uses. We do tend to take ourselves seriously -- part of the human condition. > > > So,.....Nisargadatta, Ramana and Ramesh were/are bullshitters > of the highest class? > > If so, then how do you rank your bullshit in respect to theirs? > > -------- > > The bullshitiness is not in the signaturings on flowing water. > > The bullshittiness is in the belief that they are anything other than > that,........ and thus in the question of ranking them. That's fine with me. It's an illusion that any comment has ever been made. Nothing can comment about something else -- it's already gone -- that's the flowingness of the water. Yet here we all are commenting about comments about comments. It's just like day to day life, an impression forms of an impression of an impression. It's wonderful -- the flowingness of the water! The dancing images referring to nothing! > > Elsewhere, you asked with what connotation do I use the term hoopla. > > Hoopla,..........a tale full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Laughing. The joy of the dance! > Hoopla.......... > > In the evening dusk, bamboo shadows sweeping the courtyard,....... > with great gusto, > > Not a mote of dust gets stirred. Yeah, that's a great one! So, what's with all these tickled, laughing dust motes??? Smiles, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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