Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 ------ Many spiritual seekers get " stuck " in emptiness, in the absolute, in transcendence. They cling to bliss, or peace, or indifference. When the self-centered motivation for living disappears, many seekers become indifferent. They see the perfection of all existence and find no reason for doing anything, including caring for themselves or others. I call this " taking a false refuge. " It is a very subtle egoic trap; it's a fixation in the absolute and all unconscious form of attachment that masquerades as liberation. It can be very difficult to wake someone up from this deceptive fixation because they literally have no motivation to let go of it. Stuck in a form of divine indifference, such people believe they have reached the top of the mountain when actually they are hiding out halfway up its slope. Enlightenment does not mean one should disappear into the realm of transcendence. To be fixated in the absolute is simply the polar opposite of being fixated in the relative. With the dawning of true enlightenment, there is a tremendous birthing of impersonal Love and wisdom that never fixates in any realm of experience. To awaken to the absolute view is profound and transformative, but to awaken from all fixed points of view is the birth of true nonduality. If emptiness cannot dance, it is not true Emptiness. If moonlight does not flood the empty night sky and reflect in every drop of water, on every blade of grass, then you are only looking at your own empty dream. I say, Wake up! Then, your heart will be flooded with a Love that you cannot contain. _ Adyashanti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 This is,.......... pure,...........sublime...........transcendental............ ......baloney. No doubt appropriate, ..................and pure baloney. ---- Original Message ----- shawn Nisargadatta Monday, August 04, 2003 08:24 AM Dancing Love ------Many spiritual seekers get "stuck" in emptiness, in the absolute, intranscendence. They cling to bliss, or peace, or indifference. When theself-centered motivation for living disappears, many seekers becomeindifferent. They see the perfection of all existence and find no reason fordoing anything, including caring for themselves or others. I call this"taking a false refuge." It is a very subtle egoic trap; it's a fixation inthe absolute and all unconscious form of attachment that masquerades asliberation. It can be very difficult to wake someone up from this deceptivefixation because they literally have no motivation to let go of it. Stuck ina form of divine indifference, such people believe they have reached the topof the mountain when actually they are hiding out halfway up its slope.Enlightenment does not mean one should disappear into the realm oftranscendence. To be fixated in the absolute is simply the polar opposite ofbeing fixated in the relative. With the dawning of true enlightenment, thereis a tremendous birthing of impersonal Love and wisdom that never fixates inany realm of experience. To awaken to the absolute view is profound andtransformative, but to awaken from all fixed points of view is the birth oftrue nonduality. If emptiness cannot dance, it is not true Emptiness. Ifmoonlight does not flood the empty night sky and reflect in every drop ofwater, on every blade of grass, then you are only looking at your own emptydream. I say, Wake up! Then, your heart will be flooded with a Love that youcannot contain._ Adyashanti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 Nisargadatta , shawn <shawn@w...> wrote: > -- ---- > such people believe they have reached the top > of the mountain when actually they are hiding out halfway up its slope. > at the video satsang group i attend, i had listened to adyashanti tape once. i admit i liked the youthful zen-like stillness of his voice. that's one of the good things with our group...that we watch/listen a variety of tapes that i normally would not, such as eckhart tolle and francis lucille whose dryness drive me nuts (just my personal bias, no need to defend the gurus or my choiceless preferences). anyway, since i liked the stillness of his voice, i was rooting for adyashanti till he started talking about this mountain. you see, i don't doubt he reached the mountaintop but there is a very important lesson in writing. you don't just talk about the mountaintop, you show it. i am not referring to the proof of his enlightenment. with ramana and nisargadatta, they " show it " the way tolstoy does by describing the mountain, not just drawing distinctions at the ones who're halfway up its slope. one can be enlightened but the skill to show it in words is a rare talent. i know i am sounding like a connoisseur of rich mountain grown coffee or something, which i am not. talking about mountains...i used to climb mountains (or just huge hills) when a was a kid. from a distance the mountain looked like a huge chunck of rock but when i was climbing it, the mountain would disappear! that always freaked me out. where did the mountain go? since i could no longer see the mountain, it was hard to determine which direction to go...the best guide was to follow the domestic goat droppings. other travellers or your instinct could fool you but the goat droppings...never. luckily when i was down, i could see the big black rock again. hur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 Sandeep Chatterjee <sandeepc wrote: This is,.......... pure,...........sublime...........transcendental............ ......baloney. No doubt appropriate, ..................and pure baloney. Hi Sandeep, Ok, here it comes: ... why? sk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 Hiya sk, Aaaah, just when the baloney got deleted. Since the person in question who was quoted, is most likely not present on this List to explain/clarify etc etc, .......... .........invite you sk, to share what you felt was not baloney in that baloney and let's chew some blades of grass and shoot the breeze on that. What sez ya? - skogen Nisargadatta Monday, August 04, 2003 11:05 AM Re: Dancing Love Sandeep Chatterjee <sandeepc wrote: This is,.......... pure,...........sublime...........transcendental............ ......baloney. No doubt appropriate, ..................and pure baloney. Hi Sandeep, Ok, here it comes: ... why? sk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 >> Since the person in question who was quoted, is most likely not present on this List to explain/clarify etc etc, .......... << Imagine I were the author and I would ask you, why you opine that what I wrote is baloney. >> .........invite you sk, to share what you felt was not baloney in that baloney and let's chew some blades of grass and shoot the breeze on that. << Ok! Again: Why do you think what I wrote is baloney? At least it provoked your reaction. By your reaction I deduce, you wanted to tell me that what I wrote is baloney. Should I change my writing style? My reaction is pure curiosity. So, tell me why did I write baloney and why did you get the urge to respond to it? sk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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