Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 Lets just cut to the chace. It it can be spoken, it is baloney. Now, follow that goat dropping, Hur! Anything perceivable to the senses, or conceivable to the mind sense, is baloney. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 Sk, in case you have not met, here's El. And Sk, .......no interest in shuffling games. - Elizabeth Wells Nisargadatta Monday, August 04, 2003 01:30 PM Lets just cut to the chace. Lets just cut to the chace.It it can be spoken, it is baloney.Now, follow that goat dropping, Hur!Anything perceivable to the senses,or conceivable to the mind sense, is baloney.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Elizabeth Wells " <elizabethwells8@e...> wrote: > > Lets just cut to the chace. > It it can be spoken, it is baloney. > > Now, follow that goat dropping, Hur! > > Anything perceivable to the senses, > or conceivable to the mind sense, is baloney. > > > . )))))))))))) examine the reaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 There is baloney, and then, there is the mother of all boloney. What possible good could writting a statement that denies its own validity do? If such utterances doesn't prove Toby's point I don't know what would? Very funny boloney Nisargadatta , " Shawn Hair " <shawn@w...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " Elizabeth Wells " > <elizabethwells8@e...> wrote: > > > > Lets just cut to the chace. > > It it can be spoken, it is baloney. > > > > Now, follow that goat dropping, Hur! > > > > Anything perceivable to the senses, > > or conceivable to the mind sense, is baloney. > > > > > > . > > > )))))))))))) examine the reaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 By all means, Pete, keep the baloney going. Oh horrors, that the " movement of prattle " , in the so-called mind, should stop for one split second. God forbid a " Real Sense of Direction " . What other ~~~~~ grace ~~~~ is there? .. Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > There is baloney, and then, there is the mother of all boloney. > What possible good could writting a statement that denies its own > validity do? > > If such utterances doesn't prove Toby's point I don't know what would? > Very funny boloney > > Nisargadatta , " Shawn Hair " <shawn@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Elizabeth Wells " > > <elizabethwells8@e...> wrote: > > > > > > Lets just cut to the chace. > > > It it can be spoken, it is baloney. > > > > > > Now, follow that goat dropping, Hur! > > > > > > Anything perceivable to the senses, > > > or conceivable to the mind sense, is baloney. > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > )))))))))))) examine the reaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 How did I come into this? What point of mine? Was I involved in the dreaded message 8848 without even knowing it? Could someone forward it to me? Toby Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > There is baloney, and then, there is the mother of all boloney. > What possible good could writting a statement that denies its own > validity do? > > If such utterances doesn't prove Toby's point I don't know what would? > Very funny boloney > > Nisargadatta , " Shawn Hair " <shawn@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Elizabeth Wells " > > <elizabethwells8@e...> wrote: > > > > > > Lets just cut to the chace. > > > It it can be spoken, it is baloney. > > > > > > Now, follow that goat dropping, Hur! > > > > > > Anything perceivable to the senses, > > > or conceivable to the mind sense, is baloney. > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > )))))))))))) examine the reaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Toby " <toby.wilson@t...> wrote: > How did I come into this? What point of mine? Was I involved in the > dreaded message 8848 without even knowing it? Could someone forward > it to me? > > Toby Forgetting your own postings could be a good sign, or a bad sign. How old are you? When was the last time you nailed E.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 I have nothing but love for El and her posts, they hold much insight, always conscise, always direct. The problem with forgetting my own post was that I didn't write one to forget, at least not that I remember. To forget that which is not already... is that a problem? > > seesaw1us [sMTP:seesaw1us] > Tuesday, August 05, 2003 11:47 AM > Nisargadatta > Re: Lets just cut to the chace. > > Nisargadatta , " Toby " <toby.wilson@t...> wrote: > > How did I come into this? What point of mine? Was I involved in > the > > dreaded message 8848 without even knowing it? Could someone > forward > > it to me? > > > > Toby > Forgetting your own postings could be a good sign, or > a bad sign. How old are you? When was the last time you > nailed E.? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 This is baloney, That is baloney, Out of baloney, arose baloney, And when baloney arose, What remained was still baloney. Om baloney Om baloney Om baloney - seesaw1us Nisargadatta Tuesday, August 05, 2003 07:16 AM Re: Lets just cut to the chace. Nisargadatta , "Toby" <toby.wilson@t...> wrote:> How did I come into this? What point of mine? Was I involved in the > dreaded message 8848 without even knowing it? Could someone forward > it to me?> > TobyForgetting your own postings could be a good sign, ora bad sign. How old are you? When was the last time younailed E.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 and then there's the baloney that takes it's stand where there is no baloney.... where there's not even the idea of no baloney! - Sandeep Chatterjee Nisargadatta Monday, August 04, 2003 7:57 PM Re: Re: Lets just cut to the chace. This is baloney, That is baloney, Out of baloney, arose baloney, And when baloney arose, What remained was still baloney. Om baloney Om baloney Om baloney - seesaw1us Nisargadatta Tuesday, August 05, 2003 07:16 AM Re: Lets just cut to the chace. Nisargadatta , "Toby" <toby.wilson@t...> wrote:> How did I come into this? What point of mine? Was I involved in the > dreaded message 8848 without even knowing it? Could someone forward > it to me?> > TobyForgetting your own postings could be a good sign, ora bad sign. How old are you? When was the last time younailed E.?**If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1Under the Message Delivery option, choose "No Email" for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 Love is not baloney. Love can be expressed via words. Therefore all that is spoken is not baloney. There is sacredness in all things for the heart that knows the sacredness in all things. Sacredness does not equal baloney. -Bill Elizabeth Wells [elizabethwells8] Monday, August 04, 2003 1:01 AM Nisargadatta Lets just cut to the chace. Lets just cut to the chace. It it can be spoken, it is baloney. Now, follow that goat dropping, Hur! Anything perceivable to the senses, or conceivable to the mind sense, is baloney. .. ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > Love is not baloney. > Love can be expressed via words. > Therefore all that is spoken is not baloney. > > There is sacredness in all things > for the heart that knows the > sacredness in all things. > > Sacredness does not equal baloney. > > -Bill > What is wrong with baloney? A lot of people, especially kids, eat it every day! They love it! Freyja > > Elizabeth Wells [elizabethwells8@e...] > Monday, August 04, 2003 1:01 AM > Nisargadatta > Lets just cut to the chace. > > > > Lets just cut to the chace. > It it can be spoken, it is baloney. > > Now, follow that goat dropping, Hur! > > Anything perceivable to the senses, > or conceivable to the mind sense, is baloney. > > > . > > > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your > subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta > group and click on Save Changes. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 Nisargadatta , " carolina112900 " <freyjartist@a...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > > Love is not baloney. > > Love can be expressed via words. > > Therefore all that is spoken is not baloney. > > > > There is sacredness in all things > > for the heart that knows the > > sacredness in all things. > > > > Sacredness does not equal baloney. > > > > -Bill > > > > What is wrong with baloney? > > A lot of people, especially kids, > eat it every day! > > They love it! > > Freyja > > > > > > Elizabeth Wells [elizabethwells8@e...] > > Monday, August 04, 2003 1:01 AM > > Nisargadatta > > Lets just cut to the chace. > > > > > > > > Lets just cut to the chace. > > It it can be spoken, it is baloney. > > > > Now, follow that goat dropping, Hur! > > > > Anything perceivable to the senses, > > or conceivable to the mind sense, is baloney. > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your > > subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the > Nisargadatta > > group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 Nisargadatta , Sandeep Chatterjee <sandeepc@b...> wrote: > This is baloney, > That is baloney, > Out of baloney, arose baloney, > And when baloney arose, > What remained was still baloney. Yes, but did it ride away on a baloney pony? Freyja told me that it did -- I just want to see if you concur. > Om baloney > Om baloney > Om baloney Baloney om times three, to you, from me, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > Love is not baloney. > Love can be expressed via words. > Therefore all that is spoken is not baloney. > > There is sacredness in all things > for the heart that knows the > sacredness in all things. > > Sacredness does not equal baloney. > > -Bill If, Bill, as you say, all things are sacred to you, then how is it that baloney isn't sacred? Why would not sacredness equal baloney, what prevents it? -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2003 Report Share Posted August 6, 2003 Dan, << If, Bill, as you say, all things are sacred to you, then how is it that baloney isn't sacred? >> Let's apply the notion of " context " here. You snipped what I was responding to, therefore removed the context of my remarks. You are asking me about the meaning of my remarks *out of context*. I restore the context...here is what I was responding to: << Lets just cut to the chace. It it can be spoken, it is baloney. Now, follow that goat dropping, Hur! Anything perceivable to the senses, or conceivable to the mind sense, is baloney. >> The writer says, " If it can be spoken, it is baloney. " How do you read that Dan? Does that read to you as, " If it can be spoken it is sacred? " Do you read the writer as saying if it is perceivable to the senses, conceivable to the " mind sense " , it is sacred? What is the writer saying? What is the significance of the attribute " baloney " here? I read it as perjorative. How do you read it? I am saying that to me all is sacred. " Baloney " is not my term. I have no notion of what would constitute baloney from my perspective. It is a meaningless term to me. Also, this is not to me an analytical discussion, it is a poetic exchange. The question to you then is...do you understand what I wrote in an non-analytical sense? To me, " is baloney or is not-baloney " is definitely not the question. -Bill dan330033 [dan330033] Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:53 PM Nisargadatta Re: Lets just cut to the chace. Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > Love is not baloney. > Love can be expressed via words. > Therefore all that is spoken is not baloney. > > There is sacredness in all things > for the heart that knows the > sacredness in all things. > > Sacredness does not equal baloney. > > -Bill If, Bill, as you say, all things are sacred to you, then how is it that baloney isn't sacred? Why would not sacredness equal baloney, what prevents it? -- Dan ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2003 Report Share Posted August 6, 2003 Bill, What a beautiful post. It flows so exquisitely from you, so fluid, so enlightening. It holds the heart that El's post did not. It seems El's post was pointing to the absolute of all absolutes, the ultimate, where as Nisargadatta put it, " nothing is useful for anything " and " even God is no longer " . Such a wonderful heart felt post of yours Bill. There is sacredness in all things for the heart that knows the sacredness in all things. Almost card worthy... Toby > > Bill Rishel [sMTP:plexus] > Wednesday, August 06, 2003 1:14 AM > Nisargadatta > RE: Lets just cut to the chace. > > Love is not baloney. > Love can be expressed via words. > Therefore all that is spoken is not baloney. > > There is sacredness in all things > for the heart that knows the > sacredness in all things. > > Sacredness does not equal baloney. > > -Bill > > > Elizabeth Wells [elizabethwells8] > Monday, August 04, 2003 1:01 AM > Nisargadatta > Lets just cut to the chace. > > > > Lets just cut to the chace. > It it can be spoken, it is baloney. > > Now, follow that goat dropping, Hur! > > Anything perceivable to the senses, > or conceivable to the mind sense, is baloney. > > > . > > > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your > subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > </mygroups?edit=1> > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta > group and click on Save Changes. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2003 Report Share Posted August 6, 2003 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > Nisargadatta , Sandeep Chatterjee > <sandeepc@b...> wrote: > > This is baloney, > > That is baloney, > > Out of baloney, arose baloney, > > And when baloney arose, > > What remained was still baloney. > > Yes, but did it ride away on a baloney pony? > > Freyja told me that it did -- I just want > to see if you concur. > Dan, You are so ridiculous, you make me laugh! Why do i understand you so well? It must be that water we drank in Orange, NJ. CMDNJ stomping grounds, Freyja > > Om baloney > > Om baloney > > Om baloney > > Baloney om > times three, > to you, > from me, > > Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > Dan, > > << > If, Bill, as you say, all things are > sacred to you, > then how is it that baloney isn't sacred? > >> > > Let's apply the notion of " context " here. > You snipped what I was responding to, therefore > removed the context of my remarks. You are > asking me about the meaning of my remarks > *out of context*. > > I restore the context...here is what I was > responding to: > << > Lets just cut to the chace. > It it can be spoken, it is baloney. > > Now, follow that goat dropping, Hur! > > Anything perceivable to the senses, > or conceivable to the mind sense, is baloney. > >> > The writer says, " If it can be spoken, it is > baloney. " How do you read that Dan? Does > that read to you as, " If it can be spoken > it is sacred? " Do you read the writer as > saying if it is perceivable to the senses, > conceivable to the " mind sense " , it is sacred? > > What is the writer saying? What is the > significance of the attribute " baloney " here? > I read it as perjorative. How do you read it? > > I am saying that to me all is sacred. > > " Baloney " is not my term. I have no notion > of what would constitute baloney from my > perspective. It is a meaningless term to me. > > Also, this is not to me an analytical > discussion, it is a poetic exchange. > > The question to you then is...do you > understand what I wrote in an non-analytical > sense? > > To me, " is baloney or is not-baloney " > is definitely not the question. > > -Bill > > > > > > dan330033 [dan330033] > Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:53 PM > Nisargadatta > Re: Lets just cut to the chace. > > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > > Love is not baloney. > > Love can be expressed via words. > > Therefore all that is spoken is not baloney. > > > > There is sacredness in all things > > for the heart that knows the > > sacredness in all things. > > > > Sacredness does not equal baloney. > > > > -Bill Bill, I honestly have no clue why you get all caught up in this kind of stuff. It's beyond me. I hope you're enjoying it. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Wilson, Toby " <toby.wilson@t...> wrote: > Bill, > > What a beautiful post. It flows so exquisitely from you, so fluid, so enlightening. > > It holds the heart that El's post did not. > > It seems El's post was pointing to the absolute of all absolutes, the ultimate, where as Nisargadatta put it, " nothing is useful for anything " and " even God is no longer " . > > Such a wonderful heart felt post of yours Bill. > > There is sacredness in all things > for the heart that knows the > sacredness in all things. > > Almost card worthy... > > Toby El is fine. She manifests exactly as El is to manifest. There is nothing manifesting out of place anywhere. There's no need for enlightening remarks, for one who is clear on the entirety of the manifestation. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 > El is fine. > > She manifests exactly as El is to manifest. > > There is nothing manifesting out of place anywhere. > > There's no need for enlightening remarks, for > one who is clear on the entirety of the manifestation. > > -- Dan > > To be " totally " clear on the entirety of the manifestation, there is not even a need for oxygen if it were to be taken away. But, similar to enlightening remarks, it is a nice bonus just the same. Toby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Wilson, Toby " <toby.wilson@t...> wrote: > > > El is fine. > > > > She manifests exactly as El is to manifest. > > > > There is nothing manifesting out of place anywhere. > > > > There's no need for enlightening remarks, for > > one who is clear on the entirety of the manifestation. > > > > -- Dan > > > > > To be " totally " clear on the entirety of the manifestation, there is not even a need for oxygen if it were to be taken away. But, similar to enlightening remarks, it is a nice bonus just the same. > > Toby Hi Toby -- Yes, I like to breathe, among other things. And I support your right to enjoy whatever remarks you consider enlightening -- not that you need my support to do that -- it just happens to be the case ... And, if I were deprived of oxygen, and kicking and painfully attempting to gasp for breath that wasn't there, I died -- the totality of manifestation would go on just as it is -- timelessly. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 > And, if I were deprived of oxygen, and kicking > and painfully attempting to gasp for breath that wasn't > there, I died -- the totality of manifestation > would go on just as it is -- timelessly. > > -- Dan > > It seems there is an association with " I " and the physical body. Is this a new, updated, non-absolute Dan we are dealing with here? > > Toby > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Wilson, Toby " <toby.wilson@t...> wrote: > > > And, if I were deprived of oxygen, and kicking > > and painfully attempting to gasp for breath that wasn't > > there, I died -- the totality of manifestation > > would go on just as it is -- timelessly. > > > > -- Dan > > > > > It seems there is an association with " I " and the physical body. Is this a new, updated, non-absolute Dan we are dealing with here? > > > > Toby I've never been absolute, nor has anything I've said ever had any absolute value. In fact, the word " absolute " and any ideas about what the absolute is, are relative to whomever is saying that, and whomever is hearing, or reading the words, processing the ideas. So, yes, this is a non-absolute Dan, as new as Toby is this moment, and as updated as " now, " which never moves anywhere, or changes into anything, could be. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 > I've never been absolute, nor has anything I've said > ever had any absolute value. > > In fact, the word " absolute " and any ideas about > what the absolute is, are relative to whomever > is saying that, and whomever is hearing, or reading > the words, processing the ideas. > > So, yes, this is a non-absolute Dan, as new as Toby is > this moment, and as updated as " now, " which never > moves anywhere, or changes into anything, could be. > > -- Dan I would haullucinate that you have never been anything but absolute and there is " nothing " that has " any " absolute value. The absolute is not an idea. No ideas attach to the absolute, about what it is, how to " get " there, how it works and so on. It simply " is " , whatever " is " , as " is " . Nothing more, nothing less. > > and as updated as " now, " which never > > moves anywhere, or changes into anything. I associate the imaginary idea or concept of " beautifully written " with these words. ;-) Toby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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