Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 One of my favourite verses: To go with the drift of things To yield with a grace to reason To bow and accept the end Of a love or of a season -Robert Frost Particularly the second line... what more is there? Toby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 >> To go with the drift of things >> To yield with a grace to reason I guess I'm not " there " yet, because the second line seems like an oxymoron to me. " Going with the drift of things " has a very different quality to me than " yielding to " ... When I am floating I am not yielding. Indeed there is nothing to yield to. Adrift in emptiness, there are no stop signs. -Bill Wilson, Toby [toby.wilson] Monday, August 04, 2003 9:40 PM Nisargadatta Poetry One of my favourite verses: To go with the drift of things To yield with a grace to reason To bow and accept the end Of a love or of a season -Robert Frost Particularly the second line... what more is there? Toby ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 Bill, How interesting. Going with the drift and yielding or surrendering are very closely related to me. Issues and baggage are caused by holding onto reason. The reasons why I have been hard done by, reasons why I have been victimized, why life has not been fair to me and on and on, the stories are endless. To hold onto reason is to hold an illusion in place. It is a holding energy resisting that which is being held, the reason itself. Yield: to give up possession of, to surrender, to give up (as one's last breath) and so die, to give up and cease resistance or contention. and to do this with grace, and so go with the drift of things... Toby > > Bill Rishel [sMTP:plexus] > Tuesday, August 05, 2003 3:14 PM > Nisargadatta > RE: Poetry > > >> To go with the drift of things > >> To yield with a grace to reason > > I guess I'm not " there " yet, because the second > line seems like an oxymoron to me. > > " Going with the drift of things " has a very > different quality to me than " yielding to " ... > > When I am floating I am not yielding. > Indeed there is nothing to yield to. > Adrift in emptiness, there are no stop signs. > > -Bill > > > > Wilson, Toby [toby.wilson] > Monday, August 04, 2003 9:40 PM > Nisargadatta > Poetry > > > One of my favourite verses: > > To go with the drift of things > To yield with a grace to reason > To bow and accept the end > Of a love or of a season > -Robert Frost > > > Particularly the second line... what more is there? > > Toby > > > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your > subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > </mygroups?edit=1> > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta > group and click on Save Changes. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 Toby, You say: > Issues and baggage are caused by holding onto reason. He says: > To yield with a grace to reason You seem to be talking about letting go of reason. He seems to be talking about the opposite, yield " to reason " . Yield: to give up possession of, to surrender, to give up (as one's last breath) and so die, to give up and cease resistance or contention. In Frost's context I think " yield " means " to give up and cease resistance or contention " and so the 2nd line says: " to give up and cease resistance to reason " So are you saying that this is the same as to let go of the " hold of reason " ? I'm inclined to interpret " yielding to reason " as abiding in reason, to accept the embrace of " reason's hold " . Puzzled now by what you mean. What resists reason? Is it something other than reason? In my case it seems that when there is a clash between reason and the heart the heart is trump. That to me is not " yielding to reason " , but reason yielding to the heart. Bill Wilson, Toby [toby.wilson] Monday, August 04, 2003 11:14 PM Nisargadatta RE: Poetry Bill, How interesting. Going with the drift and yielding or surrendering are very closely related to me. Issues and baggage are caused by holding onto reason. The reasons why I have been hard done by, reasons why I have been victimized, why life has not been fair to me and on and on, the stories are endless. To hold onto reason is to hold an illusion in place. It is a holding energy resisting that which is being held, the reason itself. Yield: to give up possession of, to surrender, to give up (as one's last breath) and so die, to give up and cease resistance or contention. and to do this with grace, and so go with the drift of things... Toby > > Bill Rishel [sMTP:plexus] > Tuesday, August 05, 2003 3:14 PM > Nisargadatta > RE: Poetry > > >> To go with the drift of things > >> To yield with a grace to reason > > I guess I'm not " there " yet, because the second > line seems like an oxymoron to me. > > " Going with the drift of things " has a very > different quality to me than " yielding to " ... > > When I am floating I am not yielding. > Indeed there is nothing to yield to. > Adrift in emptiness, there are no stop signs. > > -Bill > > > > Wilson, Toby [toby.wilson] > Monday, August 04, 2003 9:40 PM > Nisargadatta > Poetry > > > One of my favourite verses: > > To go with the drift of things > To yield with a grace to reason > To bow and accept the end > Of a love or of a season > -Robert Frost > > > Particularly the second line... what more is there? > > Toby > > > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your > subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > </mygroups?edit=1> > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta > group and click on Save Changes. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 Bill... yes, I think you have a point. Your description seems much more accurate and I would say best illustrates the writer's intention. I had not looked at it that way, which is the most logical interpretation I can now see. This was my original interpretaion, and a messy one at that: Resistance, as I see it, is an act of creation. It creates something out of nothing. Resistance is synonymous with dishonesty. Truth is the way it is and our perspective of it is clean and undistorted without resistance or without dishonesty. If we see with absolute honesty, all we see is Truth. Any form of resistance that manifests, however subtle, creates an illusion out of Truth, something that was not there before. And if this distortion is held onto long enough, it will eventually manifest itself in form. So someone may sit down to meditate and there mind races uncontrollably. The thoughts have a volition of there own. Their resistance has manifested in form. Or one may be very susceptible to embarrassment when confronted with certain issues. This physical response is a manifestation in form caused by an inherent resistance to Truth which itself has now become part of Truth itself. It has manifested. Creation has occurred. In holding onto reason, an issue is born. The polar opposite to that, that holds this holding in place, is that there is an inherent resistance to the holding itself. You can't have one without the other. So we end up stuck inbetween resistances. It is impossible to yield Truth to reason, because Truth is incorruptible, Truth is not of our creation. Rather, reason is built on top of Truth. Our illusion is our creation, it is created by dishonesty to Truth, an inherent resistance. The only yielding possible is the yielding of resistance. And to do that, we must yield to reason and the resistance surrounding it, let it have us, consume us, but with grace, with a warm softness of being. In doing so, it will disapate and eventually vanish of its own accord. Phew... all this from one short line of a poem. Who ever said the Truth was simple? Can you see my reasoning though? Toby Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > Toby, > > You say: > > Issues and baggage are caused by holding onto reason. > He says: > > To yield with a grace to reason > > You seem to be talking about letting go of reason. > > He seems to be talking about the opposite, yield " to reason " . > > Yield: to give up possession of, to surrender, to give up (as one's last > breath) and so die, to give up and cease resistance or contention. > > In Frost's context I think " yield " means " to give up and cease resistance or > contention " and so the 2nd line says: > > " to give up and cease resistance to reason " > So are you saying that this is the same as > to let go of the " hold of reason " ? > > I'm inclined to interpret " yielding to reason " as abiding in > reason, to accept the embrace of " reason's hold " . > > Puzzled now by what you mean. > > What resists reason? Is it something other than reason? > > In my case it seems that when there is a clash between reason > and the heart the heart is trump. That to me is not " yielding > to reason " , but reason yielding to the heart. > > Bill > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 Hello Bill: Thank you for the message. May I ask you a favor ? My mail box is threatening to become overfull (as I am not able to open it each day), so I will be very grateful if you send me future mail to my other address: halinstan Many thanks, and looking forward to your future mail: StashBill Rishel <plexus wrote: Toby,You say:> Issues and baggage are caused by holding onto reason.He says:> To yield with a grace to reasonYou seem to be talking about letting go of reason.He seems to be talking about the opposite, yield "to reason".Yield: to give up possession of, to surrender, to give up (as one's lastbreath) and so die, to give up and cease resistance or contention.In Frost's context I think "yield" means "to give up and cease resistance orcontention" and so the 2nd line says:"to give up and cease resistance to reason"So are you saying that this is the same asto let go of the "hold of reason"?I'm inclined to interpret "yielding to reason" as abiding inreason, to accept the embrace of "reason's hold".Puzzled now by what you mean.What resists reason? Is it something other than reason?In my case it seems that when there is a clash between reasonand the heart the heart is trump. That to me is not "yieldingto reason", but reason yielding to the heart.BillWilson, Toby [toby.wilson]Monday, August 04, 2003 11:14 PMNisargadatta Subject: RE: PoetryBill,How interesting. Going with the drift and yielding or surrendering are veryclosely related to me.Issues and baggage are caused by holding onto reason. The reasons why Ihave been hard done by, reasons why I have been victimized, why life has notbeen fair to me and on and on, the stories are endless. To hold onto reasonis to hold an illusion in place. It is a holding energy resisting thatwhich is being held, the reason itself.Yield: to give up possession of, to surrender, to give up (as one's lastbreath) and so die, to give up and cease resistance or contention.and to do this with grace, and so go with the drift of things...Toby> > Bill Rishel [sMTP:plexus]> Tuesday, August 05, 2003 3:14 PM> Nisargadatta > RE: Poetry>> >> To go with the drift of things> >> To yield with a grace to reason>> I guess I'm not "there" yet, because the second> line seems like an oxymoron to me.>> "Going with the drift of things" has a very> different quality to me than "yielding to"...>> When I am floating I am not yielding.> Indeed there is nothing to yield to.> Adrift in emptiness, there are no stop signs.>> -Bill>>> > Wilson, Toby [toby.wilson]> Monday, August 04, 2003 9:40 PM> Nisargadatta > Poetry>>> One of my favourite verses:>> To go with the drift of things> To yield with a grace to reason> To bow and accept the end> Of a love or of a season> -Robert Frost>>> Particularly the second line... what more is there?>> Toby>>>>> **>> If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your> subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups:>> </mygroups?edit=1>>> Under the Message Delivery option, choose "No Email" for the Nisargadatta> group and click on Save Changes.>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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