Guest guest Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 " And our true strength may be found in our very weakest weakness. " - JDR > > eilean low [sMTP:eileanlow] > Monday, August 11, 2003 9:49 AM > Nisargadatta > Re: Digest Number 972 > > Q: What makes us progress ? > M: Silence is the main factor. In peace and silence you grow. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Wilson, Toby " <toby.wilson@t...> wrote: > " And our true strength may be found in our very weakest weakness. " - JDR I didn't know John D. Rockefeller said that. Cool! It's an excellent quote. > > > > > eilean low [sMTP:eileanlow] > > Monday, August 11, 2003 9:49 AM > > Nisargadatta > > Re: Digest Number 972 > > > > Q: What makes us progress ? > > M: Silence is the main factor. In peace and silence you grow. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2003 Report Share Posted August 13, 2003 Always a charactor Dan. > > dan330033 [sMTP:dan330033] > Tuesday, August 12, 2003 1:32 AM > Nisargadatta > Re: JDR > > Nisargadatta , " Wilson, Toby " > <toby.wilson@t...> wrote: > > " And our true strength may be found in our very weakest weakness. " - > JDR > > I didn't know John D. Rockefeller said that. > > Cool! > > It's an excellent quote. > > > > > > > > > eilean low [sMTP:eileanlow] > > > Monday, August 11, 2003 9:49 AM > > > Nisargadatta > > > Re: Digest Number 972 > > > > > > Q: What makes us progress ? > > > M: Silence is the main factor. In peace and silence you grow. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2003 Report Share Posted August 13, 2003 Toby, There is still a point made here I think. People who are familiar with JDR tend to cite him as such. But the fact is that most people don't know who he is. I suggest typing his name out...John de Ruiter. That way people will know who you are talking about. And maybe even look him up. -Bill Wilson, Toby [toby.wilson] Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:21 PM Nisargadatta RE: Re: JDR Always a charactor Dan. > > dan330033 [sMTP:dan330033] > Tuesday, August 12, 2003 1:32 AM > Nisargadatta > Re: JDR > > Nisargadatta , " Wilson, Toby " > <toby.wilson@t...> wrote: > > " And our true strength may be found in our very weakest weakness. " - > JDR > > I didn't know John D. Rockefeller said that. > > Cool! > > It's an excellent quote. > > > > > > > > > eilean low [sMTP:eileanlow] > > > Monday, August 11, 2003 9:49 AM > > > Nisargadatta > > > Re: Digest Number 972 > > > > > > Q: What makes us progress ? > > > M: Silence is the main factor. In peace and silence you grow. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2003 Report Share Posted August 13, 2003 Yes, good point Bill. John de Ruiter it shall be! > > Bill Rishel [sMTP:plexus] > Wednesday, August 13, 2003 2:27 PM > Nisargadatta > RE: Re: JDR > > Toby, > > There is still a point made here I think. > People who are familiar with JDR tend to cite > him as such. But the fact is that most people > don't know who he is. I suggest typing his > name out...John de Ruiter. That way people > will know who you are talking about. And > maybe even look him up. > > -Bill > > > > Wilson, Toby [toby.wilson] > Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:21 PM > Nisargadatta > RE: Re: JDR > > > Always a charactor Dan. > > > > > dan330033 [sMTP:dan330033] > > Tuesday, August 12, 2003 1:32 AM > > Nisargadatta > > Re: JDR > > > > Nisargadatta , " Wilson, Toby " > > <toby.wilson@t...> wrote: > > > " And our true strength may be found in our very weakest weakness. " - > > JDR > > > > I didn't know John D. Rockefeller said that. > > > > Cool! > > > > It's an excellent quote. > > > > > > > > > > > > > eilean low [sMTP:eileanlow] > > > > Monday, August 11, 2003 9:49 AM > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Re: Digest Number 972 > > > > > > > > Q: What makes us progress ? > > > > M: Silence is the main factor. In peace and silence you grow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2003 Report Share Posted August 13, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Wilson, Toby " <toby.wilson@t...> wrote: > Always a charactor Dan. Okay, Toby, so it's not Rockefeller, I just couldn't think of any other JDR's at the moment. Okay, my next guess is John De Ruiter, now that some time has elapsed and I did a more extensive search of the memory banks. Do you really think of him as such a heavyweight that if you just say JDR, people will automatically know who you're talking about? Probably you hang out in different circles than I do :-) I haven't resonated with most of what I've seen quoted from him, but I do like the one you posted -- it reminds me of Lao Tzu, who said -- water is seen as weak, but it brings down the strongest rock. Lao Tzu called his way the watercourse way, the way that didn't require fixity, rigidity, or trying to develop strength. -- Dan > > > > > dan330033 [sMTP:dan330033] > > Tuesday, August 12, 2003 1:32 AM > > Nisargadatta > > Re: JDR > > > > Nisargadatta , " Wilson, Toby " > > <toby.wilson@t...> wrote: > > > " And our true strength may be found in our very weakest weakness. " - > > JDR > > > > I didn't know John D. Rockefeller said that. > > > > Cool! > > > > It's an excellent quote. > > > > > > > > > > > > > eilean low [sMTP:eileanlow] > > > > Monday, August 11, 2003 9:49 AM > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Re: Digest Number 972 > > > > > > > > Q: What makes us progress ? > > > > M: Silence is the main factor. In peace and silence you grow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2003 Report Share Posted August 13, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > Toby, > > There is still a point made here I think. > People who are familiar with JDR tend to cite > him as such. But the fact is that most people > don't know who he is. I suggest typing his > name out...John de Ruiter. That way people > will know who you are talking about. And > maybe even look him up. > > -Bill Oops -- see, I went through that entire mental search for nothing. Still, it probably kept three or four brain cells from atrophying. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2003 Report Share Posted August 13, 2003 Lao Tzu (Tao Te Ching) emphasizes the feminine over the masculine, yin over yang. Very few people actually realize that, but then very few people are much aware of the Tao Te Ching at all. I would seem, offhand, imbalanced to emphasize yin over yang, but I resonate with that a great deal. I find great wisdom in that. To me yang is like the spice. You only need a tiny bit to go a long way. But in our culture the spice is heaped a mile high, while the yin is pushed away into the corner. -Bill dan330033 [dan330033] Wednesday, August 13, 2003 1:02 PM Nisargadatta Re: JDR Nisargadatta , " Wilson, Toby " <toby.wilson@t...> wrote: > Always a charactor Dan. Okay, Toby, so it's not Rockefeller, I just couldn't think of any other JDR's at the moment. Okay, my next guess is John De Ruiter, now that some time has elapsed and I did a more extensive search of the memory banks. Do you really think of him as such a heavyweight that if you just say JDR, people will automatically know who you're talking about? Probably you hang out in different circles than I do :-) I haven't resonated with most of what I've seen quoted from him, but I do like the one you posted -- it reminds me of Lao Tzu, who said -- water is seen as weak, but it brings down the strongest rock. Lao Tzu called his way the watercourse way, the way that didn't require fixity, rigidity, or trying to develop strength. -- Dan > > > > > dan330033 [sMTP:dan330033] > > Tuesday, August 12, 2003 1:32 AM > > Nisargadatta > > Re: JDR > > > > Nisargadatta , " Wilson, Toby " > > <toby.wilson@t...> wrote: > > > " And our true strength may be found in our very weakest weakness. " - > > JDR > > > > I didn't know John D. Rockefeller said that. > > > > Cool! > > > > It's an excellent quote. > > > > > > > > > > > > > eilean low [sMTP:eileanlow] > > > > Monday, August 11, 2003 9:49 AM > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Re: Digest Number 972 > > > > > > > > Q: What makes us progress ? > > > > M: Silence is the main factor. In peace and silence you grow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2003 Report Share Posted August 13, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > Lao Tzu (Tao Te Ching) emphasizes the feminine > over the masculine, yin over yang. > > Very few people actually realize that, but then > very few people are much aware of the Tao Te Ching > at all. > > I would seem, offhand, imbalanced to emphasize > yin over yang, but I resonate with that a great > deal. I find great wisdom in that. > > To me yang is like the spice. You only need > a tiny bit to go a long way. > > But in our culture the spice is heaped a mile > high, while the yin is pushed away into the > corner. > > -Bill Hi Bill -- There's really a lot to Lao Tzu. He sounded like he was emphasizing the female over the male, but this was an antidote to the tendency culturally, socially, philosophically, politically, religiously, and financially to emphasize the male over the female. Although he spoke of holding to the female principle, of yielding, of receptivity, we must remember he also said that what he spoke of, wasn't that of which he spoke. And that by speaking, he took a position of ignorance, which position he didn't have, when he didn't speak. That the yin is the yang, and the yang the yin, that yin changes into yang and vice versa, runs throughout his teaching, so that neither is over the other. The heart of Lao Tzu's teaching involves no emphasis of anything over something else, nor any repudiation of anything in favor of something else. His little book of poetic wisdom is a timeless beauty. So still, so gentle, like the first snowfall that you don't want to disturb by walking through it. Treading lightly but carrying big peace, love, tao, and monkey, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2003 Report Share Posted August 14, 2003 << He sounded like he was emphasizing the female over the male, but this was an antidote to the tendency culturally, socially, philosophically, politically, religiously, and financially to emphasize the male over the female. >> I realize that. And we still need that antidote today in the West. << His little book of poetic wisdom is a timeless beauty. So still, so gentle, like the first snowfall that you don't want to disturb by walking through it. >> Yes. He and Chuang Tzu are favorites of mine. And how yin this gentleness you speak of... Grrrrrrr!!!!!!! I love it! Bill dan330033 [dan330033] Wednesday, August 13, 2003 2:46 PM Nisargadatta Re: JDR Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > Lao Tzu (Tao Te Ching) emphasizes the feminine > over the masculine, yin over yang. > > Very few people actually realize that, but then > very few people are much aware of the Tao Te Ching > at all. > > I would seem, offhand, imbalanced to emphasize > yin over yang, but I resonate with that a great > deal. I find great wisdom in that. > > To me yang is like the spice. You only need > a tiny bit to go a long way. > > But in our culture the spice is heaped a mile > high, while the yin is pushed away into the > corner. > > -Bill Hi Bill -- There's really a lot to Lao Tzu. He sounded like he was emphasizing the female over the male, but this was an antidote to the tendency culturally, socially, philosophically, politically, religiously, and financially to emphasize the male over the female. Although he spoke of holding to the female principle, of yielding, of receptivity, we must remember he also said that what he spoke of, wasn't that of which he spoke. And that by speaking, he took a position of ignorance, which position he didn't have, when he didn't speak. That the yin is the yang, and the yang the yin, that yin changes into yang and vice versa, runs throughout his teaching, so that neither is over the other. The heart of Lao Tzu's teaching involves no emphasis of anything over something else, nor any repudiation of anything in favor of something else. His little book of poetic wisdom is a timeless beauty. So still, so gentle, like the first snowfall that you don't want to disturb by walking through it. Treading lightly but carrying big peace, love, tao, and monkey, Dan ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2003 Report Share Posted August 14, 2003 It is not about John de Ruiter, I quoted this to share the Truth these words eminate. It matters not who spoke them. > > dan330033 [sMTP:dan330033] > Thursday, August 14, 2003 6:02 AM > Nisargadatta > Re: JDR > > Nisargadatta , " Wilson, Toby " > <toby.wilson@t...> wrote: > > Always a charactor Dan. > > Okay, Toby, so it's not Rockefeller, I just > couldn't think of any other JDR's at the moment. > > Okay, my next guess is John De Ruiter, > now that some time has elapsed and > I did a more extensive search of the memory > banks. > > Do you really think of him as such a heavyweight > that if you just say JDR, people will automatically > know who you're talking about? Probably you hang > out in different circles than I do :-) > > I haven't resonated with most of what I've seen quoted from him, > but I do like the one you posted -- it reminds me > of Lao Tzu, who said -- water is seen as weak, but it brings > down the strongest rock. Lao Tzu called his way > the watercourse way, the way that didn't require > fixity, rigidity, or trying to develop > strength. > > -- Dan > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2003 Report Share Posted August 15, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Wilson, Toby " <toby.wilson@t...> wrote: > > It is not about John de Ruiter, I quoted this to share the Truth these words eminate. It matters not who spoke them. In that case, Toby, you spoke them. Have you found your strength in your weakest weakness? How did that happen? Peace, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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