Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 You are not BS (an imagination). You are not not BS (an imagination). " Discover all that you are not--body, feelings, thoughts, time, space, this or that--nothing, concrete or abstract, which you perceive can be you. The very act of perceiving shows that you are not what you perceive..... " Nisargadatta/ .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 Osho once said, " Life is not a mystery to be solved, it is a mystery to be lived. " > > Elizabeth Wells [sMTP:elizabethwells8] > Thursday, August 21, 2003 1:56 AM > Nisargadatta > You are not BS. > > You are not BS (an imagination). > You are not not BS (an imagination). > > > > > " Discover all that you are not--body, feelings, thoughts, time, > space, this or that--nothing, concrete or abstract, which you > perceive can be you. > The very act of perceiving shows that you are not what you > perceive..... " > > <Nisargadatta/> > > > > . > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Wilson, Toby " <toby.wilson@t...> wrote: > Osho once said, " Life is not a mystery to be solved, it is a mystery to be lived. " > > ------------------------------ No knowing. Wonder. Moment to moment. What you guys call " newness " . ------------------------------- > > > > Elizabeth Wells [sMTP:elizabethwells8@e...] > > Thursday, August 21, 2003 1:56 AM > > Nisargadatta > > You are not BS. > > > > You are not BS (an imagination). > > You are not not BS (an imagination). > > > > > > > > > > " Discover all that you are not--body, feelings, thoughts, time, > > space, this or that--nothing, concrete or abstract, which you > > perceive can be you. > > The very act of perceiving shows that you are not what you > > perceive..... " > > > > <Nisargadatta/> > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 I once heard someone say to John de Ruiter, " This term 'consciousness' you refer to is just so mysterious. " John responded, " Consciousness is in no way mysterious. Everything is profoundly mysterious to consciousness. " > > Elizabeth Wells [sMTP:elizabethwells8] > Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:49 AM > Nisargadatta > Re: You are not BS. > > Nisargadatta , " Wilson, Toby " > <toby.wilson@t...> wrote: > > Osho once said, " Life is not a mystery to be solved, it is a > mystery to be lived. " > > > > > ------------------------------ > > No knowing. > > Wonder. Moment to moment. > > What you guys call " newness " . > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > Elizabeth Wells [sMTP:elizabethwells8@e...] > > > Thursday, August 21, 2003 1:56 AM > > > Nisargadatta > > > You are not BS. > > > > > > You are not BS (an imagination). > > > You are not not BS (an imagination). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Discover all that you are not--body, feelings, thoughts, time, > > > space, this or that--nothing, concrete or abstract, which you > > > perceive can be you. > > > The very act of perceiving shows that you are not what you > > > perceive..... " > > > > > > <<Nisargadatta/>> > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 Yes, a Mystery to be lived. It strikes me that BS or not is pretty debatable, but that life is a mystery...who could deny that? Where would we be without Mystery? -Bill Wilson, Toby [toby.wilson] Wednesday, August 20, 2003 5:21 PM Nisargadatta RE: You are not BS. Osho once said, " Life is not a mystery to be solved, it is a mystery to be lived. " > > Elizabeth Wells [sMTP:elizabethwells8] > Thursday, August 21, 2003 1:56 AM > Nisargadatta > You are not BS. > > You are not BS (an imagination). > You are not not BS (an imagination). > > > > > " Discover all that you are not--body, feelings, thoughts, time, > space, this or that--nothing, concrete or abstract, which you > perceive can be you. > The very act of perceiving shows that you are not what you > perceive..... " > > <Nisargadatta/> > > > > . > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 << Wonder. Moment to moment. What you guys call " newness " . >> And what Niz called " astonishment " ... perpetual astonishment. Elizabeth Wells [elizabethwells8] Wednesday, August 20, 2003 5:49 PM Nisargadatta Re: You are not BS. Nisargadatta , " Wilson, Toby " <toby.wilson@t...> wrote: > Osho once said, " Life is not a mystery to be solved, it is a mystery to be lived. " > > ------------------------------ No knowing. Wonder. Moment to moment. What you guys call " newness " . ------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 Mystery, but no questions arise. .. Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > Yes, a Mystery to be lived. > > It strikes me that BS or not is pretty debatable, > but that life is a mystery...who could deny that? > > Where would we be without Mystery? > > -Bill > > > Wilson, Toby [toby.wilson@t...] > Wednesday, August 20, 2003 5:21 PM > Nisargadatta > RE: You are not BS. > > > Osho once said, " Life is not a mystery to be solved, it is a mystery to be > lived. " > > > > > > Elizabeth Wells [sMTP:elizabethwells8@e...] > > Thursday, August 21, 2003 1:56 AM > > Nisargadatta > > You are not BS. > > > > You are not BS (an imagination). > > You are not not BS (an imagination). > > > > > > > > > > " Discover all that you are not--body, feelings, thoughts, time, > > space, this or that--nothing, concrete or abstract, which you > > perceive can be you. > > The very act of perceiving shows that you are not what you > > perceive..... " > > > > <Nisargadatta/> > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 Why is that? Elizabeth Wells [elizabethwells8] Wednesday, August 20, 2003 6:48 PM Nisargadatta Re: You are not BS. Mystery, but no questions arise. .. Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > Yes, a Mystery to be lived. > > It strikes me that BS or not is pretty debatable, > but that life is a mystery...who could deny that? > > Where would we be without Mystery? > > -Bill > > > Wilson, Toby [toby.wilson@t...] > Wednesday, August 20, 2003 5:21 PM > Nisargadatta > RE: You are not BS. > > > Osho once said, " Life is not a mystery to be solved, it is a mystery to be > lived. " > > > > > > Elizabeth Wells [sMTP:elizabethwells8@e...] > > Thursday, August 21, 2003 1:56 AM > > Nisargadatta > > You are not BS. > > > > You are not BS (an imagination). > > You are not not BS (an imagination). > > > > > > > > > > " Discover all that you are not--body, feelings, thoughts, time, > > space, this or that--nothing, concrete or abstract, which you > > perceive can be you. > > The very act of perceiving shows that you are not what you > > perceive..... " > > > > <Nisargadatta/> > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > Why is that? > ---------------- The questioner is absent. .. > > Elizabeth Wells [elizabethwells8@e...] > Wednesday, August 20, 2003 6:48 PM > Nisargadatta > Re: You are not BS. > > > > > Mystery, but no questions arise. > > > . > > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> > wrote: > > Yes, a Mystery to be lived. > > > > It strikes me that BS or not is pretty debatable, > > but that life is a mystery...who could deny that? > > > > Where would we be without Mystery? > > > > -Bill > > > > > > Wilson, Toby [toby.wilson@t...] > > Wednesday, August 20, 2003 5:21 PM > > Nisargadatta > > RE: You are not BS. > > > > > > Osho once said, " Life is not a mystery to be solved, it is a > mystery to be > > lived. " > > > > > > > > > > Elizabeth Wells [sMTP:elizabethwells8@e...] > > > Thursday, August 21, 2003 1:56 AM > > > Nisargadatta > > > You are not BS. > > > > > > You are not BS (an imagination). > > > You are not not BS (an imagination). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Discover all that you are not--body, feelings, thoughts, time, > > > space, this or that--nothing, concrete or abstract, which you > > > perceive can be you. > > > The very act of perceiving shows that you are not what you > > > perceive..... " > > > > > > <Nisargadatta/> > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 >> The questioner is absent. Indeed. But the question remains. Elizabeth Wells [elizabethwells8] Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:30 PM Nisargadatta Re: You are not BS. Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > Why is that? > ---------------- The questioner is absent. .. > > Elizabeth Wells [elizabethwells8@e...] > Wednesday, August 20, 2003 6:48 PM > Nisargadatta > Re: You are not BS. > > > > > Mystery, but no questions arise. > > > . > > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> > wrote: > > Yes, a Mystery to be lived. > > > > It strikes me that BS or not is pretty debatable, > > but that life is a mystery...who could deny that? > > > > Where would we be without Mystery? > > > > -Bill > > > > > > Wilson, Toby [toby.wilson@t...] > > Wednesday, August 20, 2003 5:21 PM > > Nisargadatta > > RE: You are not BS. > > > > > > Osho once said, " Life is not a mystery to be solved, it is a > mystery to be > > lived. " > > > > > > > > > > Elizabeth Wells [sMTP:elizabethwells8@e...] > > > Thursday, August 21, 2003 1:56 AM > > > Nisargadatta > > > You are not BS. > > > > > > You are not BS (an imagination). > > > You are not not BS (an imagination). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Discover all that you are not--body, feelings, thoughts, time, > > > space, this or that--nothing, concrete or abstract, which you > > > perceive can be you. > > > The very act of perceiving shows that you are not what you > > > perceive..... " > > > > > > <Nisargadatta/> > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 The pure enjoyment of mystery leaves no room for questions. > > Bill Rishel [sMTP:plexus] > Thursday, August 21, 2003 12:14 PM > Nisargadatta > RE: Re: You are not BS. > > Why is that? > > > Elizabeth Wells [elizabethwells8] > Wednesday, August 20, 2003 6:48 PM > Nisargadatta > Re: You are not BS. > > > > > Mystery, but no questions arise. > > > . > > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> > wrote: > > Yes, a Mystery to be lived. > > > > It strikes me that BS or not is pretty debatable, > > but that life is a mystery...who could deny that? > > > > Where would we be without Mystery? > > > > -Bill > > > > > > Wilson, Toby [toby.wilson@t...] > > Wednesday, August 20, 2003 5:21 PM > > Nisargadatta > > RE: You are not BS. > > > > > > Osho once said, " Life is not a mystery to be solved, it is a > mystery to be > > lived. " > > > > > > > > > > Elizabeth Wells [sMTP:elizabethwells8@e...] > > > Thursday, August 21, 2003 1:56 AM > > > Nisargadatta > > > You are not BS. > > > > > > You are not BS (an imagination). > > > You are not not BS (an imagination). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Discover all that you are not--body, feelings, thoughts, time, > > > space, this or that--nothing, concrete or abstract, which you > > > perceive can be you. > > > The very act of perceiving shows that you are not what you > > > perceive..... " > > > > > > <<Nisargadatta/>> > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 Very nice El... > > Elizabeth Wells [sMTP:elizabethwells8] > Thursday, August 21, 2003 12:30 PM > Nisargadatta > Re: You are not BS. > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> > wrote: > > Why is that? > > > > ---------------- > > The questioner is absent. > > > > . > > > > Elizabeth Wells [elizabethwells8@e...] > > Wednesday, August 20, 2003 6:48 PM > > Nisargadatta > > Re: You are not BS. > > > > > > > > > > Mystery, but no questions arise. > > > > > > . > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " > <plexus@x> > > wrote: > > > Yes, a Mystery to be lived. > > > > > > It strikes me that BS or not is pretty debatable, > > > but that life is a mystery...who could deny that? > > > > > > Where would we be without Mystery? > > > > > > -Bill > > > > > > > > > Wilson, Toby [toby.wilson@t...] > > > Wednesday, August 20, 2003 5:21 PM > > > Nisargadatta > > > RE: You are not BS. > > > > > > > > > Osho once said, " Life is not a mystery to be solved, it is a > > mystery to be > > > lived. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Elizabeth Wells [sMTP:elizabethwells8@e...] > > > > Thursday, August 21, 2003 1:56 AM > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > You are not BS. > > > > > > > > You are not BS (an imagination). > > > > You are not not BS (an imagination). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Discover all that you are not--body, feelings, thoughts, > time, > > > > space, this or that--nothing, concrete or abstract, which you > > > > perceive can be you. > > > > The very act of perceiving shows that you are not what you > > > > perceive..... " > > > > > > > > <<Nisargadatta/>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 Or does it? > > Bill Rishel [sMTP:plexus] > Thursday, August 21, 2003 12:35 PM > Nisargadatta > RE: Re: You are not BS. > > >> The questioner is absent. > Indeed. But the question remains. > > > > Elizabeth Wells [elizabethwells8] > Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:30 PM > Nisargadatta > Re: You are not BS. > > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> > wrote: > > Why is that? > > > > ---------------- > > The questioner is absent. > > > > . > > > > Elizabeth Wells [elizabethwells8@e...] > > Wednesday, August 20, 2003 6:48 PM > > Nisargadatta > > Re: You are not BS. > > > > > > > > > > Mystery, but no questions arise. > > > > > > . > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " > <plexus@x> > > wrote: > > > Yes, a Mystery to be lived. > > > > > > It strikes me that BS or not is pretty debatable, > > > but that life is a mystery...who could deny that? > > > > > > Where would we be without Mystery? > > > > > > -Bill > > > > > > > > > Wilson, Toby [toby.wilson@t...] > > > Wednesday, August 20, 2003 5:21 PM > > > Nisargadatta > > > RE: You are not BS. > > > > > > > > > Osho once said, " Life is not a mystery to be solved, it is a > > mystery to be > > > lived. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Elizabeth Wells [sMTP:elizabethwells8@e...] > > > > Thursday, August 21, 2003 1:56 AM > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > You are not BS. > > > > > > > > You are not BS (an imagination). > > > > You are not not BS (an imagination). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Discover all that you are not--body, feelings, thoughts, > time, > > > > space, this or that--nothing, concrete or abstract, which you > > > > perceive can be you. > > > > The very act of perceiving shows that you are not what you > > > > perceive..... " > > > > > > > > <<Nisargadatta/>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 - Bill Rishel Nisargadatta Thursday, August 21, 2003 08:04 AM RE: Re: You are not BS. >> The questioner is absent.Indeed. But the question remains. Nope, Bill. The dissolution of the question, any question,....... lies, not in an answer, any answer, but in the end of the questioner. sang a dude, some five thousand years back....... No answers received; All questions evaporated... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 Nope, Sandeep. Questions exist, just as cars and hamburgers do. It is contrary to linguistic convention to say questions do not exist. Someone walks into a restaurant and asks, "Where's the restroom?" That is a question. The question exists, just as much as the restaurant does. Of course one can claim that nothing exists etc. etc. but what is the point in that? As for "dissolution of the question"... how did that come up? Dissolution of a question is of no more import than dissolution of restaurants or or emails. But now I am wondering if what you meant was...hmmm.... That classic notion of "the seeker" entails the notion of the seeking, which entails a notion of some sort of question I suppose. And there is the classic notion of the dissolution of the seeker... entailing dissolution of the seeking etc., obviously. So we have two kinds of questions here it seems. A "Who am I?" type question as in the case of the "spritual seeker", and a question in the trivial ordinary sense, such as, "Where is the restroom?" When El wrote: > Mystery, but no questions arise. That made sense to me because I took her to mean the deeper kind of "questioning". When I wrote: >> The questioner is absent. Indeed. But the question remains. I was simply refering to the "linguistic articfact", sans *questioning* in any deep sense. Does that make sense? ... : ) [Just had to ask!] -Bill Sandeep Chatterjee [sandeepc]Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:13 PMNisargadatta Subject: Re: Re: You are not BS. - Bill Rishel Nisargadatta Thursday, August 21, 2003 08:04 AM RE: Re: You are not BS. >> The questioner is absent.Indeed. But the question remains. Nope, Bill. The dissolution of the question, any question,....... lies, not in an answer, any answer, but in the end of the questioner. sang a dude, some five thousand years back....... No answers received; All questions evaporated... **If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1Under the Message Delivery option, choose "No Email" for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 <<(please notice that I did not exceed the three dot rule) :-)>> <<(Hur is it 3 dots per line or per post?)>> Oh man. Whatta buncha wimps. No hope for youse. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 Bill, if the loo is all that occupies you,.... ....you must definitely question, quest, seek,... the milestones to it. And rapidly move towards liberation. (Hur is it 3 dots per line or per post?) - Bill Rishel Nisargadatta Thursday, August 21, 2003 02:42 PM RE: Re: You are not BS. Nope, Sandeep. Questions exist, just as cars and hamburgers do. It is contrary to linguistic convention to say questions do not exist. Someone walks into a restaurant and asks, "Where's the restroom?" That is a question. The question exists, just as much as the restaurant does. Of course one can claim that nothing exists etc. etc. but what is the point in that? As for "dissolution of the question"... how did that come up? Dissolution of a question is of no more import than dissolution of restaurants or or emails. But now I am wondering if what you meant was...hmmm.... That classic notion of "the seeker" entails the notion of the seeking, which entails a notion of some sort of question I suppose. And there is the classic notion of the dissolution of the seeker... entailing dissolution of the seeking etc., obviously. So we have two kinds of questions here it seems. A "Who am I?" type question as in the case of the "spritual seeker", and a question in the trivial ordinary sense, such as, "Where is the restroom?" When El wrote: > Mystery, but no questions arise. That made sense to me because I took her to mean the deeper kind of "questioning". When I wrote: >> The questioner is absent. Indeed. But the question remains. I was simply refering to the "linguistic articfact", sans *questioning* in any deep sense. Does that make sense? ... : ) [Just had to ask!] -Bill Sandeep Chatterjee [sandeepc]Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:13 PMNisargadatta Subject: Re: Re: You are not BS. - Bill Rishel Nisargadatta Thursday, August 21, 2003 08:04 AM RE: Re: You are not BS. >> The questioner is absent.Indeed. But the question remains. Nope, Bill. The dissolution of the question, any question,....... lies, not in an answer, any answer, but in the end of the questioner. sang a dude, some five thousand years back....... No answers received; All questions evaporated... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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