Guest guest Posted August 24, 2003 Report Share Posted August 24, 2003 In a message dated 8/24/2003 7:28:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: > > Even when sitting still, that's the story of> > my sitting still.> > P: not untill the thought comes, 'I'm sitting still'D: Even the perception of it happening is a story -- just a story that isn't in words. P:Now you're speaking 'Danish' a story to most people is the representatation of a series of events. Stillnes by definition can't have events to represent. > > What isn't a story? Ah, the clever ones have> > fun with that, don't they?> > P:I'm sure there is a 'sign' in sign language for sound, but does it > really mean sound? D: The visual formation of an image is a story. P: Again, a story must have meaning, a meaningless sign can't be a story. And what is the meaning of saying everything is a story, what you are really saying when saying everything is X, is: everything is everything. And having known nothing but silence can someone> deft from birth know silence?D: They know it differently, that's all. P:To know you must compare. They have nothing to compare silence to.D:Knowing anything is a story. Sensing where your joints are in space is a story that the the joints tell in their own language. P: sensory data are the building blocks, not the story. You are just indulging your flair for grand generalizations. You got it wrong everything is not a story, everything is a Dan, PeterDan dan dan diri dan. ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2003 Report Share Posted August 24, 2003 In a message dated 8/24/2003 7:28:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: "toombaru" <toombaruEdenThey should of suspected it was just a dream.....when a snake starts talking. Very, very funny. So true. Watch for that snake, sooner or later it will whisper in your ear those words you want to hear. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2003 Report Share Posted August 24, 2003 Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > In a message dated 8/24/2003 7:28:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > > Even when sitting still, that's the story of > > > my sitting still. > > > > P: not untill the thought comes, 'I'm sitting still' > > D: Even the perception of it happening is a story -- > just a story that isn't in words. > P:Now you're speaking 'Danish' a story to most people > is the representatation of a series of events. Stillnes > by definition can't have events to represent. Pete -- 'Most people' don't live here. I don't know if you see the humor in your attempt to define stillness as not having events by definition -- as if a definition isn't an event? Your story given below continues on about how most people understand their senses. For sure, Pete -- 'most people' don't understand that their own senses are story-telling. Love, Dan > > > > > What isn't a story? Ah, the clever ones have > > > fun with that, don't they? > > > > P:I'm sure there is a 'sign' in sign language for sound, but does > it > > really mean sound? > > D: The visual formation of an image is a story. > P: Again, a story must have meaning, a meaningless > sign can't be a story. And what is the meaning of > saying everything is a story, what you are really > saying when saying everything is X, is: everything is everything. > > And having known nothing but silence can someone > > deft from birth know silence? > > D: They know it differently, that's all. > > P:To know you must compare. They have nothing to compare silence to. > > D:Knowing anything is a story. Sensing where your joints > are in space is a story that the the joints tell in > their own language. > > P: sensory data are the building blocks, not the story. > You are just indulging your flair for grand generalizations. > > You got it wrong everything is not a story, everything is a Dan, > PeterDan dan dan diri dan. ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 > > 'Most people' don't live here. > > I don't know if you see the humor in your > attempt to define stillness as not having events by > definition -- as if a definition isn't an event? P: Stillness is prior to definition. Definitions come after the fact, or there will be nothing to define. I don't know if you see the humor at your attempt to define stillnes as a definition. If everything is a definition, you are just defining reality as a definition. Stop trying to lick your own tongue, that's what pussys are for. Well, depending on your taste and blood circulation. )) Tongue in cheek, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > > > > > 'Most people' don't live here. > > > > I don't know if you see the humor in your > > attempt to define stillness as not having events by > > definition -- as if a definition isn't an event? > > P: Stillness is prior to definition. Definitions come after the fact, > or there will be nothing to define. D: If it is prior to definition, then whatever you say about stillness and its definition, including the naming, is irrelevant to or for it. > I don't know if you see the humor > at your attempt to define stillnes as a definition. If everything is > a definition, you are just defining reality as a definition. Stop > trying to lick your own tongue, that's what pussys are for. D: I'm glad you sat yourself down and had this talk with yourself :-) > Well, > depending on your taste > and blood circulation. )) D: Taste is after the fact as well. Fact? What fact? What before or after? > Tongue in cheek, D: Or wherever it finds a temporary fantasy home :-) Speaking in tongues, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > wrote: > > > > > >> D: > Fact? What fact? What before or after? > > > > > > Speaking in tongues, > Dan P: Please, stop trying to drag this discussion into the gutter. Can you catch yourself in the act of being yourself or not? Verbal sex is not oral sex, you know?. Get behind thyself, Satan! Just kidding,guy, you're the life of the party. No one appreciate you more than I do. Honest! Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> D: > > Fact? What fact? What before or after? > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking in tongues, > > Dan > > P: Please, stop trying to drag this discussion into the gutter. > Can you catch yourself in the act of being yourself or not? > Verbal sex is not oral sex, you know?. Get behind thyself, Satan! > Just kidding,guy, you're the life of the party. No one appreciate you > more than I do. Honest! > > Pete I know what you mean, Pete. It's nice to have a little intelligent discourse once in a while. Even if it's with a raving lunatic! -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> D: > > > Fact? What fact? What before or after? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking in tongues, > > > Dan > > > > P: Please, stop trying to drag this discussion into the gutter. > > Can you catch yourself in the act of being yourself or not? > > Verbal sex is not oral sex, you know?. Get behind thyself, Satan! > > Just kidding,guy, you're the life of the party. No one appreciate > you > > more than I do. Honest! > > > > Pete > > I know what you mean, Pete. It's nice to have a little > intelligent discourse once in a while. Even if it's > with a raving lunatic! > > -- Dan Here is a nice poem about lunatics that Skogen brought to my attention. Locos Screaming in a withered dusk among parched poplars alone with his shadow and his madness, he wanders on. Horrible, grotesque, dirty, his wan figure lurches as with fevered eyes he remonstrates at Heaven. > He flees the city... poverty, wickedness, petty virtues, petty duties. He flees its pimps and merchants and through God's fields he staggers. > > He flees the city... The urban boredom The sad flesh and the poisoned spirit. He is not mad due to his own tragedy, He expiates our sins- our terrible, our idiotic sanity. > > Antonio Machado Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 << I know what you mean, Pete. It's nice to have a little intelligent discourse once in a while. Even if it's with a raving lunatic! -- Dan >> It is unusual to see you put yourself in the other person's shoes like this, Dan. I'm impressed. -Bill dan330033 [dan330033] Sunday, August 24, 2003 5:28 PM Nisargadatta Re: Digest Number 989 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> D: > > Fact? What fact? What before or after? > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking in tongues, > > Dan > > P: Please, stop trying to drag this discussion into the gutter. > Can you catch yourself in the act of being yourself or not? > Verbal sex is not oral sex, you know?. Get behind thyself, Satan! > Just kidding,guy, you're the life of the party. No one appreciate you > more than I do. Honest! > > Pete I know what you mean, Pete. It's nice to have a little intelligent discourse once in a while. Even if it's with a raving lunatic! -- Dan ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > > wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " > <seesaw1us> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> D: > > > > Fact? What fact? What before or after? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking in tongues, > > > > Dan > > > > > > P: Please, stop trying to drag this discussion into the gutter. > > > Can you catch yourself in the act of being yourself or not? > > > Verbal sex is not oral sex, you know?. Get behind thyself, Satan! > > > Just kidding,guy, you're the life of the party. No one appreciate > > you > > > more than I do. Honest! > > > > > > Pete > > > > I know what you mean, Pete. It's nice to have a little > > intelligent discourse once in a while. Even if it's > > with a raving lunatic! > > > > -- Dan > > Here is a nice poem about lunatics that Skogen brought to > my attention. > Locos > > Screaming in a withered dusk > among parched poplars > alone with his shadow > and his madness, > he wanders on. > > Horrible, grotesque, dirty, his wan > figure lurches as with fevered eyes > he remonstrates at Heaven. > > > He flees the city... poverty, wickedness, > petty virtues, petty duties. > He flees its pimps and merchants > and through God's fields he staggers. > > > > He flees the city... The urban boredom > The sad flesh and the poisoned spirit. > He is not mad due to his own tragedy, > He expiates our sins- our terrible, > our idiotic sanity. > > > > Antonio Machado Very nice! Thanks -- -- Dan " The body of his mother rotting in the summer ground, he fled the town. Went down south, across the border Left the chaos and disorder Back there over his shoulder. " Jim Morrison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 << I'd be impressed, too, Bill, if I were in your shoes :-) >> Ahhh.... reparte' Such fun... don't you just love it? Nice one Dan. -Bill dan330033 [dan330033] Monday, August 25, 2003 5:47 AM Nisargadatta Re: Digest Number 989 Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > << > I know what you mean, Pete. It's nice to have a little > intelligent discourse once in a while. Even if it's > with a raving lunatic! > > -- Dan > >> > > It is unusual to see you put yourself in the other person's > shoes like this, Dan. I'm impressed. > > -Bill I'd be impressed, too, Bill, if I were in your shoes :-) Love, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > << > I'd be impressed, too, Bill, if I were in your > shoes :-) > >> > Ahhh.... reparte' > Such fun... don't you just love it? > > Nice one Dan. > > -Bill What's not to love? Be well, Bill. -- Dan > > > dan330033 [dan330033] > Monday, August 25, 2003 5:47 AM > Nisargadatta > Re: Digest Number 989 > > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > > << > > I know what you mean, Pete. It's nice to have a little > > intelligent discourse once in a while. Even if it's > > with a raving lunatic! > > > > -- Dan > > >> > > > > It is unusual to see you put yourself in the other person's > > shoes like this, Dan. I'm impressed. > > > > -Bill > > I'd be impressed, too, Bill, if I were in your > shoes :-) > > Love, > Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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