The dude Vasishtha chewing some blades of grass with the dude Rama

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I shall now declare to you the creation and its secret.For, it is only as long as one invests the perceived object with realitythat bondage lasts;once that notion goes,with it goes bondage.Here in this creationonly that which is created grows,decays and then goes to either heaven or hell,and gets liberated.During the cosmic dissolution,the entire universe is resolved into the infinite being,which is variously designated asSelf, Absolute, Truth, etc., by the wise,to facilitate communication and dialogue.This same infinite self conceives within itselfthe duality of oneself and the other.Thence, mind arises,as a wave arises when the surface of the calm ocean is disturbed.But, please bear in mind that just as a bracelet of gold is but gold(and though gold exists without being a bracelet,a bracelet does not exist without gold or other metal),the qualities and the nature of the createdand the potentiality of creationare inherent in the creator.The mind is non-different from (has no existence independent of)the infinite self.Even as the mirage appears to be a very real river of water,this creation appears to be entirely real.And, as long as one clings to the notion of the reality of 'you' and 'I',there is no liberation.Not by merely and verbally denying such a notion of existenceis it obliterated:on the contrary such denial itself becomes a further distraction.Rama, if the creation is in fact real,then there is no possibility of its cessation:for it is an immutable law thatthe unreal has no real existenceand the real does not cease to be.Austerity, meditation and such other practicescan therefore not cause its cessation or enlightenment.As long as the notion of creation lasts,even the contemplation (samadhi)in which there is no movement of thought (nirvikalpa)is not possible.Even if it were possible,the moment one returns from such contemplation,the creation with its sorrow arises in the mind.Movement of thought creates the notion of created objects.Even as the essence in all things,as oil exists in sesame seeds,as aroma exists in flowers,the faculty of objective perceptionexists in the perceiver.Even as the dream objects are experienced only by the dreamer,the objects of perception are experienced by the perceiver.Just as from a seed the sprout arises in due time,this potentiality becomes manifest as the notion of creation.

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Nisargadatta , Sandeep Chatterjee

<sandeepc@b...> wrote:

> I shall now declare to you

>

> the creation and its secret.

 

You can only do that for me, if

I exist as a created being

who can hear what you're saying!

 

Thanks for posting this, Sandeep -- good stuff!

 

Love,

Dan

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

wrote:

> Nisargadatta , Sandeep Chatterjee

> <sandeepc@b...> wrote:

> > I shall now declare to you

> >

> > the creation and its secret.

>

> You can only do that for me, if

> I exist as a created being

> who can hear what you're saying!

 

 

------

 

Aaaah

 

For the pleasure of prattling, I must forget I am the only dude around

 

and pretend you are there to hear.

 

 

>

> Thanks for posting this, Sandeep -- good stuff!

 

 

Yes.

And in the name of the same Ram, thousands are being killed for a

piece of land 4 feet X 2 feet.

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Nisargadatta , " Sandeep " <sandeepc@b...> wrote:

 

> And in the name of the same Ram, thousands are being killed for a

> piece of land 4 feet X 2 feet.

 

Oh! Where?

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Nisargadatta , " Sandeep " <sandeepc@b...> wrote:

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

> wrote:

> > Nisargadatta , Sandeep Chatterjee

> > <sandeepc@b...> wrote:

> > > I shall now declare to you

> > >

> > > the creation and its secret.

> >

> > You can only do that for me, if

> > I exist as a created being

> > who can hear what you're saying!

>

>

> ------

>

> Aaaah

>

> For the pleasure of prattling, I must forget I am the only dude

around

>

> and pretend you are there to hear.

>

>

> >

> > Thanks for posting this, Sandeep -- good stuff!

>

>

> Yes.

> And in the name of the same Ram, thousands are being killed for a

> piece of land 4 feet X 2 feet.

 

Are you referring to something happening in India?

 

-- Dan

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

wrote:

> Nisargadatta , " Sandeep " <sandeepc@b...>

wrote:

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

> > wrote:

> > > Nisargadatta , Sandeep Chatterjee

> > > <sandeepc@b...> wrote:

> > > > I shall now declare to you

> > > >

> > > > the creation and its secret.

> > >

> > > You can only do that for me, if

> > > I exist as a created being

> > > who can hear what you're saying!

> >

> >

> > ------

> >

> > Aaaah

> >

> > For the pleasure of prattling, I must forget I am the only dude

> around

> >

> > and pretend you are there to hear.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Thanks for posting this, Sandeep -- good stuff!

> >

> >

> > Yes.

> > And in the name of the same Ram, thousands are being killed for a

> > piece of land 4 feet X 2 feet.

>

> Are you referring to something happening in India?

>

> -- Dan

 

Perhaps this:

 

http://in.news./030829/137/27dca.html

 

Although, it's only too possible to see killing for

such a 'piece of land' or any imagined thing,

anywhere, just by glancing at the headlines....

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Nisargadatta , " diana_53231 " <diana@1...> wrote:

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

> wrote:

> > Nisargadatta , " Sandeep " <sandeepc@b...>

> wrote:

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

<dan330033>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Nisargadatta , Sandeep Chatterjee

> > > > <sandeepc@b...> wrote:

> > > > > I shall now declare to you

> > > > >

> > > > > the creation and its secret.

> > > >

> > > > You can only do that for me, if

> > > > I exist as a created being

> > > > who can hear what you're saying!

> > >

> > >

> > > ------

> > >

> > > Aaaah

> > >

> > > For the pleasure of prattling, I must forget I am the only dude

> > around

> > >

> > > and pretend you are there to hear.

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for posting this, Sandeep -- good stuff!

> > >

> > >

> > > Yes.

> > > And in the name of the same Ram, thousands are being killed for

a

> > > piece of land 4 feet X 2 feet.

> >

> > Are you referring to something happening in India?

> >

> > -- Dan

>

> Perhaps this:

>

> http://in.news./030829/137/27dca.html

>

> Although, it's only too possible to see killing for

> such a 'piece of land' or any imagined thing,

> anywhere, just by glancing at the headlines....

 

True enough.

 

Thanks, Diana.

 

-- Dan

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dan330033

Nisargadatta

Saturday, August 30, 2003 12:08 AM

Re: The dude Vasishtha chewing some blades of grass with the dude Rama

 

Nisargadatta , "Sandeep" <sandeepc@b...> wrote:> Nisargadatta , "dan330033" <dan330033> > wrote:> > Nisargadatta , Sandeep Chatterjee > > <sandeepc@b...> wrote:> > > I shall now declare to you > > > > > > the creation and its secret.> > > > You can only do that for me, if > > I exist as a created being> > who can hear what you're saying!> > > ------> > Aaaah> > For the pleasure of prattling, I must forget I am the only dude around> > and pretend you are there to hear.> > > > > > Thanks for posting this, Sandeep -- good stuff!> > > Yes.> And in the name of the same Ram, thousands are being killed for a > piece of land 4 feet X 2 feet.Are you referring to something happening in India?

 

-----

 

Yes.

1500 years back evidently the Mughal invader Babur came to India, conquered whole of North India, established the Mughal empire and reign and in passing kicked the shit out of a supposedly Ram temple existing in a place called Ayodhya and built a mosque over it.

 

10 years back, the Hindu fundamentalists, broke the mosque for restoring Hindu honour.

 

The Muslim fanatics, in retaliation blew up Bombay around 8 years ago, when over 2000 people were killed.

 

Now they Hindu pride cannot be re-established unless a Ram Mandir comes up exactly over a 4ft X 2 ft spot, where Ram was supposed to have come out kicking and screaming.

 

The Muslims are resisting with all means, including a recent terrorist attack once again in Mumbai last week.

 

 

Ah well, par for the course (expression from golf) for humanity.

 

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Nisargadatta , Sandeep Chatterjee

<sandeepc@b...> wrote:

>

> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Saturday, August 30, 2003 12:08 AM

> Re: The dude Vasishtha chewing some

blades of grass with the dude Rama

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Sandeep " <sandeepc@b...>

wrote:

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

<dan330033>

> > wrote:

> > > Nisargadatta , Sandeep Chatterjee

> > > <sandeepc@b...> wrote:

> > > > I shall now declare to you

> > > >

> > > > the creation and its secret.

> > >

> > > You can only do that for me, if

> > > I exist as a created being

> > > who can hear what you're saying!

> >

> >

> > ------

> >

> > Aaaah

> >

> > For the pleasure of prattling, I must forget I am the only dude

> around

> >

> > and pretend you are there to hear.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Thanks for posting this, Sandeep -- good stuff!

> >

> >

> > Yes.

> > And in the name of the same Ram, thousands are being killed for

a

> > piece of land 4 feet X 2 feet.

>

> Are you referring to something happening in India?

> -----

>

> Yes.

> 1500 years back evidently the Mughal invader Babur came to India,

conquered whole of North India, established the Mughal empire and

reign and in passing kicked the shit out of a supposedly Ram temple

existing in a place called Ayodhya and built a mosque over it.

>

> 10 years back, the Hindu fundamentalists, broke the mosque for

restoring Hindu honour.

>

> The Muslim fanatics, in retaliation blew up Bombay around 8 years

ago, when over 2000 people were killed.

>

> Now they Hindu pride cannot be re-established unless a Ram Mandir

comes up exactly over a 4ft X 2 ft spot, where Ram was supposed to

have come out kicking and screaming.

>

> The Muslims are resisting with all means, including a recent

terrorist attack once again in Mumbai last week.

>

>

> Ah well, par for the course (expression from golf) for humanity.

 

 

Well now................what can you expect when the entities

involved believe that they are autonomous?

 

And where would we all be without........atonomy?

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Nisargadatta , Sandeep Chatterjee

<sandeepc@b...> wrote:

>

> -

> dan330033

> Nisargadatta

> Saturday, August 30, 2003 12:08 AM

> Re: The dude Vasishtha chewing some

blades of grass with the dude Rama

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Sandeep " <sandeepc@b...>

wrote:

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

<dan330033>

> > wrote:

> > > Nisargadatta , Sandeep Chatterjee

> > > <sandeepc@b...> wrote:

> > > > I shall now declare to you

> > > >

> > > > the creation and its secret.

> > >

> > > You can only do that for me, if

> > > I exist as a created being

> > > who can hear what you're saying!

> >

> >

> > ------

> >

> > Aaaah

> >

> > For the pleasure of prattling, I must forget I am the only dude

> around

> >

> > and pretend you are there to hear.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Thanks for posting this, Sandeep -- good stuff!

> >

> >

> > Yes.

> > And in the name of the same Ram, thousands are being killed for

a

> > piece of land 4 feet X 2 feet.

>

> Are you referring to something happening in India?

> -----

>

> Yes.

> 1500 years back evidently the Mughal invader Babur came to India,

conquered whole of North India, established the Mughal empire and

reign and in passing kicked the shit out of a supposedly Ram temple

existing in a place called Ayodhya and built a mosque over it.

>

> 10 years back, the Hindu fundamentalists, broke the mosque for

restoring Hindu honour.

>

> The Muslim fanatics, in retaliation blew up Bombay around 8 years

ago, when over 2000 people were killed.

>

> Now they Hindu pride cannot be re-established unless a Ram Mandir

comes up exactly over a 4ft X 2 ft spot, where Ram was supposed to

have come out kicking and screaming.

>

> The Muslims are resisting with all means, including a recent

terrorist attack once again in Mumbai last week.

>

>

> Ah well, par for the course (expression from golf) for humanity.

 

 

the seekers from the opposing camps self-hypnotized themselves and

the sleep walkers are slaughtering each other in a dream where no

passion is as sweet as killing in the name of a jealous god. it

makes you realize what a dangerously real dream this is.

 

hur

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Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hur@n...> wrote:

> Nisargadatta , Sandeep Chatterjee

> <sandeepc@b...> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Saturday, August 30, 2003 12:08 AM

> > Re: The dude Vasishtha chewing some

> blades of grass with the dude Rama

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Sandeep " <sandeepc@b...>

> wrote:

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> <dan330033>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Nisargadatta , Sandeep Chatterjee

> > > > <sandeepc@b...> wrote:

> > > > > I shall now declare to you

> > > > >

> > > > > the creation and its secret.

> > > >

> > > > You can only do that for me, if

> > > > I exist as a created being

> > > > who can hear what you're saying!

> > >

> > >

> > > ------

> > >

> > > Aaaah

> > >

> > > For the pleasure of prattling, I must forget I am the only dude

> > around

> > >

> > > and pretend you are there to hear.

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for posting this, Sandeep -- good stuff!

> > >

> > >

> > > Yes.

> > > And in the name of the same Ram, thousands are being killed for

> a

> > > piece of land 4 feet X 2 feet.

> >

> > Are you referring to something happening in India?

> > -----

> >

> > Yes.

> > 1500 years back evidently the Mughal invader Babur came to India,

> conquered whole of North India, established the Mughal empire and

> reign and in passing kicked the shit out of a supposedly Ram temple

> existing in a place called Ayodhya and built a mosque over it.

> >

> > 10 years back, the Hindu fundamentalists, broke the mosque for

> restoring Hindu honour.

> >

> > The Muslim fanatics, in retaliation blew up Bombay around 8 years

> ago, when over 2000 people were killed.

> >

> > Now they Hindu pride cannot be re-established unless a Ram Mandir

> comes up exactly over a 4ft X 2 ft spot, where Ram was supposed to

> have come out kicking and screaming.

> >

> > The Muslims are resisting with all means, including a recent

> terrorist attack once again in Mumbai last week.

> >

> >

> > Ah well, par for the course (expression from golf) for humanity.

>

>

> the seekers from the opposing camps self-hypnotized themselves and

> the sleep walkers are slaughtering each other in a dream where no

> passion is as sweet as killing in the name of a jealous god. it

> makes you realize what a dangerously real dream this is.

>

> hur

 

 

 

 

No dream is real.....no dream is dangerous.

 

 

 

There is nothing outside of the dream.....

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <toombaru> wrote:

> Nisargadatta , Sandeep Chatterjee

> <sandeepc@b...> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Saturday, August 30, 2003 12:08 AM

> > Re: The dude Vasishtha chewing some

> blades of grass with the dude Rama

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Sandeep " <sandeepc@b...>

> wrote:

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> <dan330033>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Nisargadatta , Sandeep Chatterjee

> > > > <sandeepc@b...> wrote:

> > > > > I shall now declare to you

> > > > >

> > > > > the creation and its secret.

> > > >

> > > > You can only do that for me, if

> > > > I exist as a created being

> > > > who can hear what you're saying!

> > >

> > >

> > > ------

> > >

> > > Aaaah

> > >

> > > For the pleasure of prattling, I must forget I am the only

dude

> > around

> > >

> > > and pretend you are there to hear.

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for posting this, Sandeep -- good stuff!

> > >

> > >

> > > Yes.

> > > And in the name of the same Ram, thousands are being killed

for

> a

> > > piece of land 4 feet X 2 feet.

> >

> > Are you referring to something happening in India?

> > -----

> >

> > Yes.

> > 1500 years back evidently the Mughal invader Babur came to

India,

> conquered whole of North India, established the Mughal empire and

> reign and in passing kicked the shit out of a supposedly Ram temple

> existing in a place called Ayodhya and built a mosque over it.

> >

> > 10 years back, the Hindu fundamentalists, broke the mosque for

> restoring Hindu honour.

> >

> > The Muslim fanatics, in retaliation blew up Bombay around 8

years

> ago, when over 2000 people were killed.

> >

> > Now they Hindu pride cannot be re-established unless a Ram

Mandir

> comes up exactly over a 4ft X 2 ft spot, where Ram was supposed to

> have come out kicking and screaming.

> >

> > The Muslims are resisting with all means, including a recent

> terrorist attack once again in Mumbai last week.

> >

> >

> > Ah well, par for the course (expression from golf) for humanity.

>

>

> Well now................what can you expect when the entities

> involved believe that they are autonomous?

>

> And where would we all be without........atonomy?

 

We'd be compulsively killing each other because our duty and fate

dictate that we kill each other, without any autonomous

decision-making involved.

 

-- Dan

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Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hur@n...> wrote:

> Nisargadatta , Sandeep Chatterjee

> <sandeepc@b...> wrote:

> >

> > -

> > dan330033

> > Nisargadatta

> > Saturday, August 30, 2003 12:08 AM

> > Re: The dude Vasishtha chewing some

> blades of grass with the dude Rama

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Sandeep " <sandeepc@b...>

> wrote:

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> <dan330033>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Nisargadatta , Sandeep Chatterjee

> > > > <sandeepc@b...> wrote:

> > > > > I shall now declare to you

> > > > >

> > > > > the creation and its secret.

> > > >

> > > > You can only do that for me, if

> > > > I exist as a created being

> > > > who can hear what you're saying!

> > >

> > >

> > > ------

> > >

> > > Aaaah

> > >

> > > For the pleasure of prattling, I must forget I am the only

dude

> > around

> > >

> > > and pretend you are there to hear.

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for posting this, Sandeep -- good stuff!

> > >

> > >

> > > Yes.

> > > And in the name of the same Ram, thousands are being killed

for

> a

> > > piece of land 4 feet X 2 feet.

> >

> > Are you referring to something happening in India?

> > -----

> >

> > Yes.

> > 1500 years back evidently the Mughal invader Babur came to

India,

> conquered whole of North India, established the Mughal empire and

> reign and in passing kicked the shit out of a supposedly Ram temple

> existing in a place called Ayodhya and built a mosque over it.

> >

> > 10 years back, the Hindu fundamentalists, broke the mosque for

> restoring Hindu honour.

> >

> > The Muslim fanatics, in retaliation blew up Bombay around 8

years

> ago, when over 2000 people were killed.

> >

> > Now they Hindu pride cannot be re-established unless a Ram

Mandir

> comes up exactly over a 4ft X 2 ft spot, where Ram was supposed to

> have come out kicking and screaming.

> >

> > The Muslims are resisting with all means, including a recent

> terrorist attack once again in Mumbai last week.

> >

> >

> > Ah well, par for the course (expression from golf) for humanity.

>

>

> the seekers from the opposing camps self-hypnotized themselves and

> the sleep walkers are slaughtering each other in a dream where no

> passion is as sweet as killing in the name of a jealous god. it

> makes you realize what a dangerously real dream this is.

>

> hur

 

It cannot possibly have more reality than that which was killed,

and that which thought to benefit from the killing.

 

-- Dan

[Guest guest]

just carefull you're not trying to convince yourself that you're not even one to a me, kay?

Sandeep <sandeepc wrote:

Nisargadatta , "dan330033" <dan330033> wrote:> Nisargadatta , Sandeep Chatterjee > <sandeepc@b...> wrote:> > I shall now declare to you > > > > the creation and its secret.> > You can only do that for me, if > I exist as a created being> who can hear what you're saying!------AaaahFor the pleasure of prattling, I must forget I am the only dude aroundand pretend you are there to hear.> > Thanks for posting this, Sandeep -- good stuff!Yes.And in the name of the same Ram, thousands are being killed for a piece of land 4 feet X 2 feet.**If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1Under the Message Delivery option, choose "No Email" for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes.

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brett geoly

Nisargadatta

Sunday, August 31, 2003 08:20 AM

Re: Re: The dude Vasishtha chewing some blades of grass with the dude Rama

 

just carefull you're not trying to convince yourself that you're not even one to a me, kay?

 

 

Not being native-English born, da lingo fazes me bro.

 

Did not get what you are trying to say.

 

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , brett geoly <rootrapture>

wrote:

> just carefull you're not trying to convince yourself that you're

not even one to a me, kay?

 

That's what the Cheshire Cat was heard to remark --

or was it?

[Guest guest]

who....are....yu.... ? given thought, a neat slap'll do.... given a wrinkling of the forehead, a glass of ice-water over the head... given a moment's pause, a breeze may say.dan330033 <dan330033 wrote:

Nisargadatta , brett geoly <rootrapture> wrote:> just carefull you're not trying to convince yourself that you're not even one to a me, kay?That's what the Cheshire Cat was heard to remark -- or was it?**If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1Under the Message Delivery option, choose "No Email" for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes.

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Nisargadatta , brett geoly <rootrapture>

wrote:

> who....are....yu.... ? given thought, a neat slap'll do.... given

a wrinkling of the forehead, a glass of ice-water over the head...

given a moment's pause, a breeze may say.

 

If a police officer pulls me over on the freeway

and asks " Who are you?, " I show my registration.

 

Without such an event occurring, no such question arises,

no answer is needed.

 

Slapping yourself, wrinkling your forehead, bathing in

icewater, may be enjoyable activities for you -- if so,

I hope you're not so cold from the ice water, that the

breeze gives you a cold :-)

 

-- Dan