Guest guest Posted September 5, 2003 Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <toombaru> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > > To identify oneself with the body and yet to seek happiness is > > > like attempting to cross a river on the back of an alligator. > > > > > > > > > -Sri Ramana Maharshi > > > > To disidentify oneself from the body to seek happiness > > is like forgetting that you're a bird crossing the river > > on the back of an alligator. > > > No matter which way I turn.....where ever I look......whatever I > try............I am lost...................There is nothing I can do. > > > I can't think my way out of this. > I can't meditate my way out of this. > I can't pray myself out of this. > > > (probably because there is no " I " ........and no this) > > > LOL Yes, well-said, T. The " I " has all kinds of dilemmas, does all kinds of things to fix them, change them, escape them, have something better. But with clarity that central to all dilemma is the " I " -- there is no way out of that one, no way to fix it or get someplace better. And the universe of many things, qualities experiences -- all those things are the " I " in one form or another, projections of relationships -- to good, to bad, to pleasure, to pain, to existence, to nonexistence -- all of which always require and come back to " I " -- " I " being the sense of continuity, of maintained identity, of inherent self-maintained being. -- D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2003 Report Share Posted September 6, 2003 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <toombaru> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > wrote: > > > > To identify oneself with the body and yet to seek happiness is > > > > like attempting to cross a river on the back of an alligator. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sri Ramana Maharshi > > > > > > To disidentify oneself from the body to seek happiness > > > is like forgetting that you're a bird crossing the river > > > on the back of an alligator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No matter which way I turn.....where ever I look......whatever I > > try............I am lost...................There is nothing I can > do. > > > > > > I can't think my way out of this. > > I can't meditate my way out of this. > > I can't pray myself out of this. > > > > > > (probably because there is no " I " ........and no this) > > > > > > LOL > > > Yes, well-said, T. > > The " I " has all kinds of dilemmas, does all kinds > of things to fix them, change them, escape them, > have something better. > > But with clarity that central to all dilemma is the > " I " -- there is no way out of that one, no way to > fix it or get someplace better. > > And the universe of many things, qualities > experiences -- all those things > are the " I " in one form or another, projections > of relationships -- to good, to bad, to pleasure, > to pain, to existence, to nonexistence -- all of > which always require and come back to " I " -- > > " I " being the sense of continuity, of maintained identity, > of inherent self-maintained being. > > -- D. Thanks Dan for the above paragraph. Although the " I " here should be threatened by it...............(since its very existence is questioned) there seems to be a great resonance with the words...... The " I " of the storm is the moving center around which the manifestation swirls... the reference point from which all things are , and can only be regarded, in relationship to the illusory entity. Identification with entitification is limitation. .........and since it is impossible to identify with nothing......... .........damnit....for a moment...I almost had it......but it slipped through my fingers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2003 Report Share Posted September 6, 2003 Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <toombaru> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <toombaru> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > > wrote: > > > > > To identify oneself with the body and yet to seek happiness is > > > > > like attempting to cross a river on the back of an alligator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Sri Ramana Maharshi > > > > > > > > To disidentify oneself from the body to seek happiness > > > > is like forgetting that you're a bird crossing the river > > > > on the back of an alligator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No matter which way I turn.....where ever I look......whatever I > > > try............I am lost...................There is nothing I can > > do. > > > > > > > > > I can't think my way out of this. > > > I can't meditate my way out of this. > > > I can't pray myself out of this. > > > > > > > > > (probably because there is no " I " ........and no this) > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > > > > Yes, well-said, T. > > > > The " I " has all kinds of dilemmas, does all kinds > > of things to fix them, change them, escape them, > > have something better. > > > > But with clarity that central to all dilemma is the > > " I " -- there is no way out of that one, no way to > > fix it or get someplace better. > > > > And the universe of many things, qualities > > experiences -- all those things > > are the " I " in one form or another, projections > > of relationships -- to good, to bad, to pleasure, > > to pain, to existence, to nonexistence -- all of > > which always require and come back to " I " -- > > > > " I " being the sense of continuity, of maintained identity, > > of inherent self-maintained being. > > > > -- D. > > > Thanks Dan for the above paragraph. The pleasure was all yours, Toombarudatta, as Jesse Venturadatta would say :-) > Although the " I " here should be threatened by it............... The " I " being an imagined center which is merely an activity of contraction, the sense of being threatened is all that the " I " is ... So, anything and everything will be used to maintain the sense of threat -- which is why the so-called " physical body " gets implicated as a dastardly object when it really isn't. There's no object there -- just the sense of being threatened by being an object -- that seems to give a body-sense-as-me some kind of objective factual status. What the body actually is, is no problem, and can't be threatened, since it's already constantly in flux (continually dying) moment to moment. And it's far easier to implicate the body, than to implicate the " intent to be spiritualized, " for example by " 'disidentifying' with the body " -- which is just more of the same " I-activity " as trying to maintain a bodily center through contraction. Only more pernicious, because the intent to spiritualize oneself by being realized and disidentified pretends that it isn't of the body at all -- when in fact, that's all it is -- a variation on the theme of bodily threat -- via the " ultimate escape clause. " > (since its very existence is questioned) there seems to be a great resonance with the words...... Agreed -- its never having existed is revealed immediately. Nothing could have ever existed in fact, this continual flux would never stand still for it! > The " I " of the storm is the moving center around which the manifestation swirls... Indeed -- any sense of a center to manifestation is a version of the " I " activity, yet is the reference point that all manifestation seems to require. The imaginary " beginning " of things, aka " I " -- > the reference point from which all things > are , and can only be regarded, in relationship to the illusory entity. Indeed! > Identification with entitification is limitation. The idea that there is anything which could have identified, or which could disidentify, is equally delusional. > ........and since it is impossible to identify with nothing......... Or for nothing to identify as nothing. > ........damnit....for a moment...I almost had it......but it slipped through my fingers... Damnit, for a moment I almost lost it .... but then my fingers appeared again! Smiles, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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