Guest guest Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 - yacobyisrael Nisargadatta Saturday, October 25, 2003 06:33 PM Re: Fw: Fw: The Anti-Guru UG Sandeep, Thanks for the comments. To be honest I think I am searching for a way to " overcome " this mind but, having understood the mind only wants to perpetuate itself by any and all means possible, this search is like you say, " picking yourself up by one's own boot straps " ... ====== Yes. Curious, why on earth do you wish to " overcome " the mind? ========= What I have also come to realize is, while I claim to be burned out from my years of religious searching and most welcoming to " stop the search " (in theory), in reality I am addicted to the search as I find I can't stop studying this Nisargadatta, UG, etc line of thinking. These ideas are like a new lover. ======== LOL. Yes the intoxication with the new is always lascivious ======== Even as I run to the newsgroup to see new posts, or as I print UG books off the internet, or talk to my wife about " the mind " , I see clearly that I am operating in the exact same way as I have been all along when it comes to " searching " ... all the while knowing I can't kid myself about it seeing as the way the mind works to perpetuate itself has now come to light.. " I " just can't seem to stop fondling this mind. ======== You did not become a seeker out of your volition. You will not cease to seek out of your volition. =========== What is worse.. is now " I " know what the mind/interloper is up to and I see how serious my condition is... I am finding it very hard to " stop searching " ========= What are you searching, that you now want to stop? .... mind, mind go away.. ======== Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 Greetings everyone, I am thankful for ANY responses I can get to my posts.. so thanks to all who have taken the time to resond!! Sandeep, I think I need to overcome the mind because I have confirmed that it is false. I can observe it's contradictions and fickleness. All the while understanding that it is all from the mind anyhow. This is what is getting me. It seems that there must be something to do about this... but again I still know that this idea or desire is itself of the mind... here is where I am stuck. Also, if the mind is using the search to perpetuate it's falsehoods, then does it not stand to reason (again, i know, a function of the mind) that it is the mind itself that needs to be overcome?? Please suffer me on this as I am stuck in this feedback loop, the mulberry bush of circular reasoning.. Perhaps it is the residue of religious conditioning that has me thinkning the mind must be overcome?? Steve Nisargadatta , Sandeep <sandeepc@b...> wrote: > > - > yacobyisrael > Nisargadatta > Saturday, October 25, 2003 06:33 PM > Re: Fw: Fw: The Anti-Guru UG > > > Sandeep, > Thanks for the comments. To be honest I think I am searching for a > way to " overcome " this mind but, having understood the mind only > wants to perpetuate itself by any and all means possible, this > search is like you say, " picking yourself up by one's own boot > straps " ... > > ====== > > Yes. > > Curious, why on earth do you wish to " overcome " the mind? > > ========= > > > > What I have also come to realize is, while I claim to be > burned out from my years of religious searching and most welcoming > to " stop the search " (in theory), in reality I am addicted to the > search as I find I can't stop studying this Nisargadatta, UG, etc > line of thinking. These ideas are like a new lover. > > ======== > > LOL. > Yes the intoxication with the new is always lascivious > > ======== > > > Even as I run > to the newsgroup to see new posts, or as I print UG books off the > internet, or talk to my wife about " the mind " , I see clearly that I > am operating in the exact same way as I have been all along when it > comes to " searching " ... all the while knowing I can't kid myself > about it seeing as the way the mind works to perpetuate itself has > now come to light.. " I " just can't seem to stop fondling this mind. > > ======== > > You did not become a seeker out of your volition. > You will not cease to seek out of your volition. > > =========== > > > > > What is worse.. is now " I " know what the mind/interloper is up to > and I see how serious my condition is... I am finding it very hard > to " stop searching " > > ========= > > What are you searching, that you now want to stop? > > > ... mind, mind go away.. > > > ======== > > Why? > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 Yooohoo Steve, - yacobyisrael Nisargadatta Sunday, October 26, 2003 05:37 AM Re: Fw: Fw: Fw: The Anti-Guru UG Greetings everyone, I am thankful for ANY responses I can get to my posts.. so thanks to all who have taken the time to resond!! Sandeep, I think I need to overcome the mind because I have confirmed that it is false. =========== :-) If you truly known it is false, then overcome what? After seeing an epic movie at the cinema hall, emotions overcame you for 2 hours. Leaving the cinema hall, do you need to overcome the overcoming emotions? If there is still the need to suppress the sobs, then the movie is still very real to you. ========= I can observe it's contradictions and fickleness. ====== Now the classic and usual poser. Who observes the contradictions and fickleness? ======== All the while understanding that it is all from the mind anyhow. This is what is getting me. It seems that there must be something to do about this... but again I still know that this idea or desire is itself of the mind... here is where I am stuck. ======== :-) Welcome to the site of sheer hopelessness. " Where I am stuck " ,...........connotes. that where you are is not where you wish to be,... but somewhere else. Where is that? You have neatly dodged these simliar posers.:-) ========= Also, if the mind is using the search to perpetuate it's falsehoods, then does it not stand to reason (again, i know, a function of the mind) that it is the mind itself that needs to be overcome?? ======= All this overcoming business reminds of the WWF " staged " fights. Specially the ladies special. A shadow does not exist, where it does not fall A shadow does not also exist, where it does fall. Knowing this,.. would you wish to continue to try and stamp your shadow out of it's infernal existence? You might, if you wish to lose some weight. =========== Please suffer me on this as I am stuck in this feedback loop, the mulberry bush of circular reasoning.. ====== Have a look,......if you feel like,...... who is it that is doing the rounds of the mulbbery bush? =========== Perhaps it is the residue of religious conditioning that has me thinkning the mind must be overcome?? ====== Sure. That's how all religious organization work. To shove down your throat that something is wrong with you, with the world and that you have to do this or that, to salvage yourself and that it (the religious organization, or the particular icon of authority),...... ....has the key to teach you, to impart to you, the ancient knowledge of how to stamp out your shadow, through transmission of energy, via the gonads or whatever. Take any organization, aka Chritianity, Islam, Hindu, Buddhist,.......shorn of all the beautitudes,........the essence of the " spin-doctoring " is the same. Now you, as it is, being totally insecure in life, and thus anxious, desperate for a life-line, are ideally placed to swallow that offered " assuagings " . So much so, that is due course, after you have paid your tithe, several times over (in whatever form, shape or manner),.......you even become convinced that you have indeed stamped out your shadow. After all that investment,...all those years, all those tears, all the money which got transfered.....you cannot bear to see that it's been all a hogwash. And thus the conviction will be defended at all costs. No doubt, all nuances of the perfection of the moment. Curious Steve, .........are you into this " overcoming the mind " stuff, to get out of changing the diapers of the baby in the house?<LOL> Everytime a dirty chore is starting to come one's way, ......one neatly goes into Samadhi. Now even a wife can argue, scream, rave and rant with Samadhi. Hey there is a new kid in the house, Steve. Get to work. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 Ooops......... Everytime a dirty chore is starting to come one's way, ......one neatly goes into Samadhi. Now even a wife,... cannot argue, scream, rave and rant with Samadhi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 LOL.. you had it right the first time... the wife can complain about samadhi..except it is not samadhi but books and the internet.. Since I read that meditation is ultimately just the workings of the mind I have not even bothered to begin meditation at this stage. I had tried it a few years back a few times and never could get my mind to become blank. On your other comments... I see where you are taking me and they do bring a certain clarity to the picture.. especially the movie reference. Here is a question: If there is ultimately no god, no after life, no re-incarnation, no enlightenment as UG says... is it more profitable in the here and now just to find someway to happily pass the time here on earth in this life time? If this is " true " then one can not say that " feeding the homeless " is any better than going and buying a new car for one's self, no?? Nisargadatta , Sandeep <sandeepc@b...> wrote: > Ooops......... > > > Everytime a dirty chore is starting to come one's way, ......one neatly goes into Samadhi. > > Now even a wife,... cannot argue, scream, rave and rant with Samadhi. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 - yacobyisrael Nisargadatta Sunday, October 26, 2003 02:52 PM Re: Fw: Fw: Fw: Fw: The Anti-Guru UG LOL.. you had it right the first time... the wife can complain about samadhi..except it is not samadhi but books and the internet.. Since I read that meditation is ultimately just the workings of the mind I have not even bothered to begin meditation at this stage. I had tried it a few years back a few times and never could get my mind to become blank. On your other comments... I see where you are taking me and they do bring a certain clarity to the picture.. especially the movie reference. Here is a question: If there is ultimately no god, no after life, no re-incarnation, no enlightenment as UG says... is it more profitable in the here and now just to find someway to happily pass the time here on earth in this life time? ======== Profitable for whom? Secondly, irrespective of what is the understanding prevailing in a sentient biological organism, in the moment......so long it is " alive " , functioning will carry on,... in the moment. Moment to moment to moment. Yes, there might be the absence of being elated or being pissed off,.......with the functioning happening THROUGH the organism, which hereto was assumed to be one's identity. ======== If this is " true " then one can not say that " feeding the homeless " is any better than going and buying a new car for one's self, no?? ======= Absolutely. Both are a form of functioning through a " so " conditioned apparatus. Neither is more " holy " or less " holy " . Suddenly with a wad of the greenbacks in the hand, a organism may be moved to take a world cruise with blonde delicacies hanging on his arms. Another organism gets moved to drop the entire wad in a begging bowl. Yes, each of the functioning in turn invokes a consequence. The consequence does not make the functioning " good " or " bad " . The " action " and the " consequence " ,...........both nuances of the perfection of the One movement in the same moment,...... ..............happening through manifested " so " conditioned sentient instruments, .......... .........conditioned biological instruments which themselves are not static discrete separated objects, .......but once again nuances of the same movement. Bamboo shadows,........... with great gusto,...... sweeping the courtyard. Not a mote of dust stirred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 Hi Steve, just his way of saying the same thing the others have. they're all concepts.....remember... all the dudes point 'beyond' the mind...the mind makes up concepts. watch and witness what happens....don't look now but you're/they're/everything is on puppet strings.... jess .....Here is a question: If there is ultimately no > god, no after life, no re-incarnation, no enlightenment as UG > says... is it more profitable in the here and now just to find > someway to happily pass the time here on earth in this life time? > If this is " true " then one can not say that " feeding the homeless " > is any better than going and buying a new car for one's self, no?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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