Guest guest Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 Greetings, I have also begun reading Nisargadatta and it seems he has a much different take than UG. UG says there is " no way out " while Nisargatta offers much guidance (which is encouraging). From reading a bit of both it seems UG would say Nisargatta is a fraud?? Do I have a wrong understanding or am I getting UG correctly? Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 Steve, U.G. is just sort of the Hannibal Lechter of the advaita circuit....but hey! didn't u know... 'god' is bipolar. lol! Jess - " yacobyisrael " <yacobyisrael <Nisargadatta > Sunday, October 26, 2003 5:13 AM Nisargadatta vs. UG > Greetings, > I have also begun reading Nisargadatta and it seems he has a much > different take than UG. UG says there is " no way out " while > Nisargatta offers much guidance (which is encouraging). From > reading a bit of both it seems UG would say Nisargatta is a fraud?? > > Do I have a wrong understanding or am I getting UG correctly? > > Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 Jess, I am just now finding out that UG is not without critics.. Sometimes as I am reading his stuff I wonder if he is just very, very smart in saying the same thing over and over again, just re- worded. For someone who has no teachings and is no guru he shure has lots of pictures and books out there!! Do you know if there is anything to his " physical calamity " that he frequently talks about? Could he be pulling a fast one? How would we know?? Also, what do you mean about " god " being bipolar? Are you jokingly saying UG is bipolar? Please bear with me as I have NO experience in this Advaita line of understanding. I barely know who the " players " are let alone their teachings. Nisargadatta , " Jessica White " <ellam- ondre@c...> wrote: > Steve, U.G. is just sort of the Hannibal Lechter of the advaita > circuit....but hey! didn't u know... 'god' is bipolar. lol! > > Jess > > > - > " yacobyisrael " <yacobyisrael> > <Nisargadatta > > Sunday, October 26, 2003 5:13 AM > Nisargadatta vs. UG > > > > Greetings, > > I have also begun reading Nisargadatta and it seems he has a much > > different take than UG. UG says there is " no way out " while > > Nisargatta offers much guidance (which is encouraging). From > > reading a bit of both it seems UG would say Nisargatta is a fraud?? > > > > Do I have a wrong understanding or am I getting UG correctly? > > > > Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 Hi everybody. Just to respond to u yacobyisrae. I spent a lot of years reasoning on Maharaj teaching.. but it seems that thinking activity is limited compared with the understanding offered by staying in the I'm feeling. In fact comparison from Nisargadatta and UG or everything else is at mind level but Maharaj say always to stay " here " in the I'm , and compare " I'm " with everything else. Max. > " Jessica White " <ellam-ondre >Nisargadatta ><Nisargadatta > >Re: Nisargadatta vs. UG >Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:12:20 -0800 > >Steve, U.G. is just sort of the Hannibal Lechter of the advaita >circuit....but hey! didn't u know... 'god' is bipolar. lol! > >Jess > > >- > " yacobyisrael " <yacobyisrael ><Nisargadatta > >Sunday, October 26, 2003 5:13 AM > Nisargadatta vs. UG > > > > Greetings, > > I have also begun reading Nisargadatta and it seems he has a much > > different take than UG. UG says there is " no way out " while > > Nisargatta offers much guidance (which is encouraging). From > > reading a bit of both it seems UG would say Nisargatta is a fraud?? > > > > Do I have a wrong understanding or am I getting UG correctly? > > > > Steve > > > > > >** > >If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your >subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > >/mygroups?edit=1 > >Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta >group and click on Save Changes. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 Hi Steve, i was never drawn to U.G...not attracted. u ask as far as his " physical calamity " ...his experience of " not knowing " ... do i know if there is anything to it. i'm not an authority on anything, but the little that i've read of him sounds like he's saying the same thing as the others...just using different words but with a flair of " shocking " drama. He's not saying anything new, just his conditioned style. the nature of the mind is to place things in categories of " right " and " wrong " . Nisargadatta, Robert Adams, Ramana, Sai Baba, Osho, UG, Steve, El, Sandeep, Jessica, etc. ...are nothing other than characters appearing and 'doing' what cannot be helped....playing the part that has been scripted for each...( who is the author?) all on a phenomenol stage in the theatre of the mind. You could also read Papaji's, " Nothing Ever Really Happened " ( i didn't but i like that title...it says it all)! a quote from Nisargadatta... " We are the creators and creatures of each other, causing and bearing each other's burdens. " As far as my statement, 'god' is bipolar, i wasn't jokingly saying UG is.... but the made up 'god, the creator' is a concept..the world is illusion theater and the things appearing in the theater are of a bipolar nature (emanations from the mind). Hurricanes here, sun shining, birds chirping there, happy parents with a beautiful baby being born here, a baby born with serious birth defects, there. a dramatic U. G. here, a soft spoken Robert Adams there, etc. ( again, who authored this?) all of this stuff, including characters and 'happenings' is 'dreamstuff' but very easy to get sucked in...in a " New York Minute " . Grace to remembering it's not serious, even tho it can appear to be.... : ) jess - " yacobyisrael " <yacobyisrael <Nisargadatta > Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:58 AM Re: Nisargadatta vs. UG > Jess, I am just now finding out that UG is not without critics.. > Sometimes as I am reading his stuff I wonder if he is just very, > very smart in saying the same thing over and over again, just re- > worded. For someone who has no teachings and is no guru he shure has > lots of pictures and books out there!! Do you know if there is > anything to his " physical calamity " that he frequently talks about? > Could he be pulling a fast one? How would we know?? Also, what do > you mean about " god " being bipolar? Are you jokingly saying UG is > bipolar? Please bear with me as I have NO experience in this > Advaita line of understanding. I barely know who the " players " are > let alone their teachings. > > > Nisargadatta , " Jessica White " <ellam- > ondre@c...> wrote: > > Steve, U.G. is just sort of the Hannibal Lechter of the advaita > > circuit....but hey! didn't u know... 'god' is bipolar. lol! > > > > Jess > > > > > > - > > " yacobyisrael " <yacobyisrael> > > <Nisargadatta > > > Sunday, October 26, 2003 5:13 AM > > Nisargadatta vs. UG > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > I have also begun reading Nisargadatta and it seems he has a much > > > different take than UG. UG says there is " no way out " while > > > Nisargatta offers much guidance (which is encouraging). From > > > reading a bit of both it seems UG would say Nisargatta is a > fraud?? > > > > > > Do I have a wrong understanding or am I getting UG correctly? > > > > > > Steve > > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 Hello Max, Great advice. Could you elaborate further? Thanks, Steve Nisargadatta , " Massimo Tamos " <massimotamos@h...> wrote: > Hi everybody. > > Just to respond to u yacobyisrae. I spent a lot of years reasoning on > Maharaj teaching.. but it seems that thinking activity is limited compared > with the understanding offered by staying in the I'm feeling. > In fact comparison from Nisargadatta and UG or everything else is at mind > level but Maharaj say always to stay " here " in the I'm , and compare " I'm " > with everything else. > > > Max. > > > " Jessica White " <ellam-ondre@c...> > >Nisargadatta > ><Nisargadatta > > >Re: Nisargadatta vs. UG > >Sun, 26 Oct 2003 11:12:20 -0800 > > > >Steve, U.G. is just sort of the Hannibal Lechter of the advaita > >circuit....but hey! didn't u know... 'god' is bipolar. lol! > > > >Jess > > > > > >- > > " yacobyisrael " <yacobyisrael> > ><Nisargadatta > > >Sunday, October 26, 2003 5:13 AM > > Nisargadatta vs. UG > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > I have also begun reading Nisargadatta and it seems he has a much > > > different take than UG. UG says there is " no way out " while > > > Nisargatta offers much guidance (which is encouraging). From > > > reading a bit of both it seems UG would say Nisargatta is a fraud?? > > > > > > Do I have a wrong understanding or am I getting UG correctly? > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > >** > > > >If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your > >subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > > >/mygroups?edit=1 > > > >Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta > >group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 Poor Steve,.... Ask for it, and you get rained on. <LOL> - yacobyisrael Nisargadatta Monday, October 27, 2003 01:28 AM Re: Nisargadatta vs. UG Jess, I am just now finding out that UG is not without critics.. Sometimes as I am reading his stuff I wonder if he is just very, very smart in saying the same thing over and over again, just re- worded. For someone who has no teachings and is no guru he shure has lots of pictures and books out there!! ===== Yes. The no-teaching becoming the teaching. ===== Do you know if there is anything to his " physical calamity " that he frequently talks about? Could he be pulling a fast one? How would we know?? ====== That is the key. What do you Steve know about that which is not an experience? And thus how would you conclude either way? For example, someone says, I am not enlightened and I am thus seeking enlightenment. The question would be,..... how would you know that you are not enlightened. All you can say is that this is what I believe elightenment is supposed to be, this is what someone told me about it (even claimed to have it chained-up in the backyard), this is what I have read about it, ... ... and none of those parameters, appear to be applicable to me. That belief about enlightenment, is again the hoopla of " a " so conditioned mind and the subsequent seeking to attain the believed-parameters is again the hoopla of the same conditioned mind. Since the perpetuation of the mind/entity is in the very seeking, (it matters little what the sought is),....... even if by chance the assumed parameters, " happen " in the moment,.. ...the mind will immediately doubt it, will compare with the reported standard norm. And set of to seek further. (The hilarity of the Kundalini crowd, in this very aspect is very amusing) However that is exactly what the nature of the mind is. To seek, to seek, to seek, to seek Seeking to end the seeking,........is also seeking. Just see this nature of the mind. That's all. What is the hoopla of the mind to do with you, anyway? The key Steve is not UG or Nisargadatta, or Ramana or Buddha or X, Y, Z. (For all you know they were doped to their gills) The key is what do you believe you are looking for, and how do you believe, your self-conceived, assumed,... concept of enlightenment, serving that purpose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 Hi Jess, Glad to see you again. :-) Dooobeeee Dooobeee Dooooooo,....stuff down there,... Jess. - Jessica White Nisargadatta Monday, October 27, 2003 04:05 AM Re: Re: Nisargadatta vs. UG Hi Steve, i was never drawn to U.G...not attracted. u ask as far as his " physical calamity " ...his experience of " not knowing " ... do i know if there is anything to it. i'm not an authority on anything, but the little that i've read of him sounds like he's saying the same thing as the others...just using different words but with a flair of " shocking " drama. He's not saying anything new, just his conditioned style. the nature of the mind is to place things in categories of " right " and " wrong " . Nisargadatta, Robert Adams, Ramana, Sai Baba, Osho, UG, Steve, El, Sandeep, Jessica, etc. ...are nothing other than characters appearing and 'doing' what cannot be helped....playing the part that has been scripted for each...( who is the author?) all on a phenomenol stage in the theatre of the mind. You could also read Papaji's, " Nothing Ever Really Happened " ( i didn't but i like that title...it says it all)! a quote from Nisargadatta... " We are the creators and creatures of each other, causing and bearing each other's burdens. " As far as my statement, 'god' is bipolar, i wasn't jokingly saying UG is.... but the made up 'god, the creator' is a concept..the world is illusion theater and the things appearing in the theater are of a bipolar nature (emanations from the mind). Hurricanes here, sun shining, birds chirping there, happy parents with a beautiful baby being born here, a baby born with serious birth defects, there. a dramatic U. G. here, a soft spoken Robert Adams there, etc. ( again, who authored this?) all of this stuff, including characters and 'happenings' is 'dreamstuff' but very easy to get sucked in...in a " New York Minute " . Grace to remembering it's not serious, even tho it can appear to be.... : ) jess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 Hi Sandeep, nice to see you too : ) .......and the Doooobeee Dooobeee Dooooooo on the doo doo stuff down there,...Sandeep. : )))))))) - " Sandeep " <sandeepc <Nisargadatta > Sunday, October 26, 2003 8:51 PM Fw: Re: Nisargadatta vs. UG > Hi Jess, > > Glad to see you again. :-) > > Dooobeeee Dooobeee Dooooooo,....stuff down there,... Jess. - > Jessica White > Nisargadatta > Monday, October 27, 2003 04:05 AM > Re: Re: Nisargadatta vs. UG > > > Hi Steve, > > i was never drawn to U.G...not attracted. > u ask as far as his " physical calamity " ...his experience of " not knowing " ... > do i know if there is anything to it. > > i'm not an authority on anything, but the little that i've read of him > sounds like he's saying the same thing as the others...just using different > words but with a flair of " shocking " drama. He's not saying anything new, > just his conditioned style. > > the nature of the mind is to place things in categories of " right " and > " wrong " . > Nisargadatta, Robert Adams, Ramana, Sai Baba, Osho, UG, Steve, El, Sandeep, > Jessica, etc. ...are nothing other than characters appearing and 'doing' > what cannot be helped....playing the part that has been scripted for > each...( who is the author?) all on a phenomenol stage in the theatre of > the mind. You could also read Papaji's, " Nothing Ever Really Happened " i > didn't but i like that title...it says it all)! > > a quote from Nisargadatta... " We are the creators and creatures of each > other, causing and bearing each other's burdens. " > > As far as my statement, 'god' is bipolar, i wasn't jokingly saying UG is.... > but the made up 'god, the creator' is a concept..the world is illusion > theater and the things appearing in the theater are of a bipolar nature > (emanations from the mind). Hurricanes here, sun shining, birds chirping > there, happy parents with a beautiful baby being born here, a baby born with > serious birth defects, there. a dramatic U. G. here, a soft spoken Robert > Adams there, etc. ( again, who authored this?) > > all of this stuff, including characters and 'happenings' is 'dreamstuff' but > very easy to get sucked in...in a " New York Minute " . > > Grace to remembering it's not serious, even tho it can appear to be.... > > : ) jess > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 Are you kidding me, I love all of this new info so I can continue to perpetuate and fondle my mind! Hell, if I am to go 'round and 'round the mulberry bush and there is " no way out " I at least want maxumium stimulation... LOL... Thanks everybody I have been enjoying myself and also have found that your lighthearted comments have come at appropriate moments when some of these concepts.... get a little heavy.. S Nisargadatta , " Sandeep " <sandeepc@b...> wrote: > Poor Steve,.... > > Ask for it, and you get rained on. <LOL> > > > > - > yacobyisrael > Nisargadatta > Monday, October 27, 2003 01:28 AM > Re: Nisargadatta vs. UG > > > Jess, I am just now finding out that UG is not without critics.. > Sometimes as I am reading his stuff I wonder if he is just very, > very smart in saying the same thing over and over again, just re- > worded. For someone who has no teachings and is no guru he shure has > lots of pictures and books out there!! > > ===== > > Yes. > The no-teaching becoming the teaching. > > ===== > > > Do you know if there is > anything to his " physical calamity " that he frequently talks about? > Could he be pulling a fast one? How would we know?? > > ====== > > That is the key. > > What do you Steve know about that which is not an experience? > And thus how would you conclude either way? > > For example, someone says, I am not enlightened and I am thus seeking enlightenment. > > The question would be,..... how would you know that you are not enlightened. > > All you can say is that this is what I believe elightenment is supposed to be, this is what someone told me about it (even claimed to have it chained-up in the backyard), this is what I have read about it, ... > > .. and none of those parameters, appear to be applicable to me. > > That belief about enlightenment, is again the hoopla of " a " so conditioned mind and the subsequent seeking to attain the believed- parameters is again the hoopla of the same conditioned mind. > > Since the perpetuation of the mind/entity is in the very seeking, (it matters little what the sought is),....... even if by chance the assumed parameters, " happen " in the moment,.. > > ..the mind will immediately doubt it, will compare with the reported standard norm. > > And set of to seek further. > > (The hilarity of the Kundalini crowd, in this very aspect is very amusing) > > However that is exactly what the nature of the mind is. > > To seek, to seek, to seek, to seek > > Seeking to end the seeking,........is also seeking. > > Just see this nature of the mind. > > That's all. > > What is the hoopla of the mind to do with you, anyway? > > > The key Steve is not UG or Nisargadatta, or Ramana or Buddha or X, Y, Z. (For all you know they were doped to their gills) > > The key is what do you believe you are looking for, and how do you believe, your self-conceived, assumed,... concept of enlightenment, serving that purpose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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