Steve-----Nisargadatta vs. UG / Steve out

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Nisargadatta , " yacobyisrael " <yacobyisrael> wrote:

> Greetings,

> But isn't contemplation (if I have understood everthing correctly) a

> function of the mind (which is false?)?

 

Hi

 

mind can be clear not false and a

clear intellect, empty of dramas etc

is able hold pure Consciousness in

return

 

imo nothing is happening in the mind

only, it is the whole unit; body mind

and psyche what is present all the time

as witness and all

 

Picture, that we are all role playing

most of the time in our life, at work,

as parents and sometimes even in a relationships one must 'act' for a better

outcome

 

One's psyche is like a child it just

wants to Be and this corruption

depletes it.

 

Meditation, contemplation recharges it

 

Contemplation, meditation is like a

vacation on the Bahamas. I practice

Surat Shabd Yoga inner-sound-and-light

meditation, what takes me right out

from all, from the dramas of life, free

from worries etc into a pure and

tranquil place which is not available in

physical consciousness

 

A meditator comes home, so to speak;

purified recharged reborn and with a

deep wisdom what is contactable only

there. Reading about wisdom takes 100

times longer than meditation. This is

what the mystics refer to as die daily

and this is the way a simple carpenter

got the understanding to be Christ, or

a cobler became Kabir Sahib

 

When one enters into these pure planes

clean consciousness without the dramas

posing intentions the being brings

back into his/her life the sideeffect

is what important: an ethical wise strong

being

 

I recognize such meditators, and it has

nothing, absolutely nothing to do with

parokeed wisdom or resitting the dead

heads

 

---------

By being clear about confusion, you

become clear of confusion.

**Nisargadatta

 

 

 

 

> Or is this contemplation

> you speak of come from a different apparatus than the mind? If it is

> of the mind do we just proceed anyway with this contemplation

> knowing that it is just another scheme of the mind? Either I

> am " catching on " (another mind illusion?) or more " lost than ever "

> (another mind illusion?)....

>

> Another lap around Jerusalem (or the mulberry bush?),

> Steve

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " satkartar14 " <satkarta4@j...>

> wrote:

> > > > " His (UG's) words and images will infect your mind

> > > > like a virus. "

> > > >

> > > > Steve.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Try it this way.

> > > >

> > > > " The mind " is nothing but belief systems.

> > > >

> > > > Starting with the first belief system " I am " .

> > > >

> > > > Now, what does a virus do?

> > > >

> > > > It eats away at stuff.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Are you a belief system?

> > > > If so, then you have plenty to be concerned about.

> > > > If not, then you have nothing to be concerned about.

> > > >

> > > > So it all comes down to, " What am I, really? "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > .

> > >

> > > This is the key point, Steve.

> > >

> > > " What am I really? "

> > >

> > > Who gives a shit about UG says, and what others say about UG and

> so

> > > on and so forth. It's nothing more than a soap opera.

> > >

> > > I mean, it's fun -- if that's what you're into!

> > >

> > > But you're looking for some kind of anchor or guide. And you're

> > > chucking your anchor into quick sand.

> > >

> > > If you really want " out " , you need to find what wants out, where

> it's

> > > located if it's there, etc. etc.

> > >

> > > Warm wishes,

> > > Joe

> > >

> > > PS: Also, don't kid yourself that you don't need to meditate...

> > > finding out what you are, if you are, etc requires a very

> determined,

> > > clear, and intelligent mind. Sitting on the couch with a bag of

> chips

> > > won't help much. :-)

> > >

> > > Niz recommends meditation over and over again.

> >

> >

> > exactly

> >

> > without contemplation 'it's just

> > not gona dawn on anyone