Steve-----Nisargadatta vs. UG / Steve out

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Greetings Josesiem,

No I do not have a dislike for sitting in contemplation but had been

told and that one can just as well convert any activity into this

contemplation. I also had heard Papji mention that sitting in a

meditative state is really just concentration (I completely accept if

I have misunderstood what he was saying as he was hard to understand

in the video). UG gives the impression that meditation is

just " mentalistics " (That is the only way I can describe what I get

out of his " non-teaching " ). So, I have been " letting my mind go at

itself " while I am driving, playing with my kids,etc.. the paradox is

always rolling around in my mind.... which I have verified for myself

as being what many on this list claim to be still just the " seeking

function of the mind trying to perpetuate itself " ... What really

shorts the circut is seeing that all I am doing is feeding the mind.

My mind is such a whore and slave to searching it will even use a

doctrine such as Advaita to " cannabalize " itself.... just as long as

it gets to seek, search, contemplate, whatever... that much I feel I

have varified on my own. But ya know what? I forgive myself and I'm

not going to let it get to me. As one said earlier... a butterfly can

sit on a pile of dirt.. A few weeks ago someone said that this type

of " inquiry/verification " very well may be enough and " de-

personalization " will happen on it's own.... At the very least I can

see the kind of tricks the mind tries to work. Now it can play

tricks with itself. HOWEVER: If meditation can help me then by all

means give me some pointers as I have never seriously tried it.

 

Hope this makes sense.

 

Steve

 

 

Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote:

> Nisargadatta , " yacobyisrael "

> <yacobyisrael> wrote:

> > Greetings,

> > But isn't contemplation (if I have understood everthing

correctly)

> a

> > function of the mind (which is false?)? Or is this contemplation

> > you speak of come from a different apparatus than the mind? If it

> is

> > of the mind do we just proceed anyway with this contemplation

> > knowing that it is just another scheme of the mind? Either I

> > am " catching on " (another mind illusion?) or more " lost than

ever "

> > (another mind illusion?)....

> >

> > Another lap around Jerusalem (or the mulberry bush?),

> > Steve

>

> Hi Steve,

>

> Sure, all is the mind. But you have to *do* something, right? The

> mind is always active until it's not. While it's active, it's

useful

> to turn it on itself and see what happens. Or you can use the

> activity to wash your car and eat a burger.

>

> Do you have an aversion to sitting quietly and observing the mind,

> inquiring " who or what is this? "

>

> If so, why?

>

> Joe