Timeless truth is not having a calm mind, nor is it the property of such a mind

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Nisargadatta , " skoggman " <skoggman> wrote:

> Joe wrote:

>

> PS: Also, don't kid yourself that you don't need to meditate...

> finding out what you are, if you are, etc requires a very

> determined, clear, and intelligent mind. Sitting on the couch with

a

> bag of chips won't help much. :-)

>

> Niz recommends meditation over and over again.

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>

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> Yes Joe, I agree on that with the exception of " very intelligent "

> mind. I would go further and say the only thing " needed " is a calm

> mind. The key to a calm mind, can be, like it was in my case,

> meditation. Niz recommends over and over again meditation as tool

to

> calm the mind, that's true. But, sure a certain grade of

> intelligence is necessary, surely not a " very intelligent " mind,

> just enough to enable in a certain degree the capacity of

> introspection. And that requires not so much " intelligence " .

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>

> gassho

> sk

 

If you need a mind of a certain type, then you are talking

about a conditional understanding.

 

When such a mind is present, then an understanding of the kind

you seek, can be had.

 

When such a mind decays, the understanding is lost.

 

So, you are talking about a conditional, transitory

kind of understanding, dependent on a certain type of

mind.

 

Timeless truth, of course, is another matter entirely.

 

Neither arising nor departing, not conditional, neither

coming into being nor going out of being.

 

Of course, the mind is altogether irrelevant with regards

to this truth. You don't get to possess it in any way,

shape or form.

 

Naturally, this is not for anyone who needs an " other " to

provide recommendations which they will use to steer their

ship, to approximate what they believe the " other " to have

discovered and to be sharing.

 

Nor is it for one who desires a certain kind of outcome,

which they then plan to discuss as if they

have become " one who has arrived. "

 

Calming the mind is a pursuit for those who want to

experience what having a calm mind is like.

 

Timeless truth is altogther a different sort of beast,

there is no way for you to lay ahold of it.

 

Love,

Dan