Guest guest Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 Sandeep,Dan and everyone, I had a very long trip with lots of silent road time to contemplate all I have read in the last three weeks. To be honest, I have observed that even my " understanding " that " I Am " is coming from my mind. My level of " Being " is still the same. " I " still get mad, disappointed, happy etc. Even after hours of thinking about how all of these ideas make sense I observe that my moods wax and wane and that I am most definately identified with " I " being my thoughts, body, hopes, dislikes, Steve, etc. I wish this were not true but after this long trip with so much quiet time to myself I would be lying to say other wise. Sure, I can say that " I " am not my body and I most certainly like the idea.... but it is just my mind perpetuating itself.. and the search.. The only thing that I can verify is that my mind is addicted to seeking and that my level of " Being " is the same as it was when I was studying religion, etc. I know this next phrase may be just from the " seeking mind " but it seems like my " Being " needs to be changed. It seems I am lacking something. The very thing the Buddhists work so hard to attain. Or that " Christ Consciousness " that is bandied about so much. Even as I write this I can see my mind at work but I can not seem to go past this. Any suggestions? Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 Oh Shut up already. You are enjoying every bit of it. Pete Nisargadatta , " yacobyisrael " <yacobyisrael> wrote: > Sandeep,Dan and everyone, > I had a very long trip with lots of silent road time to contemplate > all I have read in the last three weeks. To be honest, I have > observed that even my " understanding " that " I Am " is coming from my > mind. My level of " Being " is still the same. " I " still get mad, > disappointed, happy etc. Even after hours of thinking about how all > of these ideas make sense I observe that my moods wax and wane and > that I am most definately identified with " I " being my thoughts, > body, hopes, dislikes, Steve, etc. I wish this were not true but > after this long trip with so much quiet time to myself I would be > lying to say other wise. Sure, I can say that " I " am not my body and > I most certainly like the idea.... but it is just my mind > perpetuating itself.. and the search.. The only thing that I can > verify is that my mind is addicted to seeking and that my level > of " Being " is the same as it was when I was studying religion, etc. > I know this next phrase may be just from the " seeking mind " but it > seems like my " Being " needs to be changed. It seems I am lacking > something. The very thing the Buddhists work so hard to attain. Or > that " Christ Consciousness " that is bandied about so much. Even as I > write this I can see my mind at work but I can not seem to go past > this. Any suggestions? > > Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 Pete, do you know something I don't? Steve Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > Oh Shut up already. You are enjoying every bit of it. > > Pete > > Nisargadatta , " yacobyisrael " > <yacobyisrael> wrote: > > Sandeep,Dan and everyone, > > I had a very long trip with lots of silent road time to contemplate > > all I have read in the last three weeks. To be honest, I have > > observed that even my " understanding " that " I Am " is coming from my > > mind. My level of " Being " is still the same. " I " still get mad, > > disappointed, happy etc. Even after hours of thinking about how > all > > of these ideas make sense I observe that my moods wax and wane and > > that I am most definately identified with " I " being my thoughts, > > body, hopes, dislikes, Steve, etc. I wish this were not true but > > after this long trip with so much quiet time to myself I would be > > lying to say other wise. Sure, I can say that " I " am not my body > and > > I most certainly like the idea.... but it is just my mind > > perpetuating itself.. and the search.. The only thing that I can > > verify is that my mind is addicted to seeking and that my level > > of " Being " is the same as it was when I was studying religion, > etc. > > I know this next phrase may be just from the " seeking mind " but it > > seems like my " Being " needs to be changed. It seems I am lacking > > something. The very thing the Buddhists work so hard to attain. Or > > that " Christ Consciousness " that is bandied about so much. Even as > I > > write this I can see my mind at work but I can not seem to go past > > this. Any suggestions? > > > > Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 yacobyisrael wrote: > Sandeep,Dan and everyone, > I had a very long trip with lots of silent road time to contemplate > all I have read in the last three weeks. To be honest, I have > observed that even my " understanding " that " I Am " is coming from my > mind. My level of " Being " is still the same. " I " still get mad, > disappointed, happy etc. Even after hours of thinking about how all > of these ideas make sense I observe that my moods wax and wane and > that I am most definately identified with " I " being my thoughts, > body, hopes, dislikes, Steve, etc. I wish this were not true but > after this long trip with so much quiet time to myself I would be > lying to say other wise. Sure, I can say that " I " am not my body and > I most certainly like the idea.... but it is just my mind > perpetuating itself.. and the search.. The only thing that I can > verify is that my mind is addicted to seeking and that my level > of " Being " is the same as it was when I was studying religion, etc. > I know this next phrase may be just from the " seeking mind " but it > seems like my " Being " needs to be changed. It seems I am lacking > something. The very thing the Buddhists work so hard to attain. Or > that " Christ Consciousness " that is bandied about so much. Even as I > write this I can see my mind at work but I can not seem to go past > this. Any suggestions? > > Steve No. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 You asked for suggestions. I gave you one: Shut up and enjoy what you got, fully. Not half ass as you're doing now, pretending you don't like it and that there is more. There isn't any " more. " More is the gate of hell. All the trouble in the world starts with that word. Shut up! Be silent an enjoy whoever the hell you are. That's my suggestion. Nisargadatta , " yacobyisrael " <yacobyisrael> wrote: > Pete, do you know something I don't? > > Steve > > > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > wrote: > > Oh Shut up already. You are enjoying every bit of it. > > > > Pete > > > > Nisargadatta , " yacobyisrael " > > <yacobyisrael> wrote: > > > Sandeep,Dan and everyone, > > > I had a very long trip with lots of silent road time to > contemplate > > > all I have read in the last three weeks. To be honest, I have > > > observed that even my " understanding " that " I Am " is coming from > my > > > mind. My level of " Being " is still the same. " I " still get mad, > > > disappointed, happy etc. Even after hours of thinking about how > > all > > > of these ideas make sense I observe that my moods wax and wane > and > > > that I am most definately identified with " I " being my thoughts, > > > body, hopes, dislikes, Steve, etc. I wish this were not true > but > > > after this long trip with so much quiet time to myself I would > be > > > lying to say other wise. Sure, I can say that " I " am not my > body > > and > > > I most certainly like the idea.... but it is just my mind > > > perpetuating itself.. and the search.. The only thing that I can > > > verify is that my mind is addicted to seeking and that my level > > > of " Being " is the same as it was when I was studying religion, > > etc. > > > I know this next phrase may be just from the " seeking mind " but > it > > > seems like my " Being " needs to be changed. It seems I am lacking > > > something. The very thing the Buddhists work so hard to attain. > Or > > > that " Christ Consciousness " that is bandied about so much. Even > as > > I > > > write this I can see my mind at work but I can not seem to go > past > > > this. Any suggestions? > > > > > > Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Thanks Pete. That makes more sense. I did not get that out of your first post. I'll try to equate frustration to joy somehow. Thanks again. Steve Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > You asked for suggestions. I gave you one: Shut up and enjoy what you > got, fully. Not half ass as you're doing now, pretending you don't > like it and that there is more. There isn't any " more. " More is the > gate of hell. All the trouble in the world starts with that word. > Shut up! Be silent an enjoy whoever the hell you are. > > That's my suggestion. > > > Nisargadatta , " yacobyisrael " > <yacobyisrael> wrote: > > Pete, do you know something I don't? > > > > Steve > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > > wrote: > > > Oh Shut up already. You are enjoying every bit of it. > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " yacobyisrael " > > > <yacobyisrael> wrote: > > > > Sandeep,Dan and everyone, > > > > I had a very long trip with lots of silent road time to > > contemplate > > > > all I have read in the last three weeks. To be honest, I have > > > > observed that even my " understanding " that " I Am " is coming > from > > my > > > > mind. My level of " Being " is still the same. " I " still get > mad, > > > > disappointed, happy etc. Even after hours of thinking about > how > > > all > > > > of these ideas make sense I observe that my moods wax and wane > > and > > > > that I am most definately identified with " I " being my > thoughts, > > > > body, hopes, dislikes, Steve, etc. I wish this were not true > > but > > > > after this long trip with so much quiet time to myself I would > > be > > > > lying to say other wise. Sure, I can say that " I " am not my > > body > > > and > > > > I most certainly like the idea.... but it is just my mind > > > > perpetuating itself.. and the search.. The only thing that I > can > > > > verify is that my mind is addicted to seeking and that my level > > > > of " Being " is the same as it was when I was studying religion, > > > etc. > > > > I know this next phrase may be just from the " seeking mind " but > > it > > > > seems like my " Being " needs to be changed. It seems I am > lacking > > > > something. The very thing the Buddhists work so hard to > attain. > > Or > > > > that " Christ Consciousness " that is bandied about so much. > Even > > as > > > I > > > > write this I can see my mind at work but I can not seem to go > > past > > > > this. Any suggestions? > > > > > > > > Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 as I > > write this I can see my mind at work but I can not seem to go past > > this. Any suggestions? > > > > Steve > > No. > > -- > My man Harsha! Laconic eloquence in true Zen style. I like that. Love, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > Oh Shut up already. You are enjoying every bit of it. > > Pete True. There's no one else, " out there " perpetuating it. So how is some advice from someone else out there going to fix it? When there's nothing to be gotten out of it, and that's clear, it's over. -- Dan > > Nisargadatta , " yacobyisrael " > <yacobyisrael> wrote: > > Sandeep,Dan and everyone, > > I had a very long trip with lots of silent road time to contemplate > > all I have read in the last three weeks. To be honest, I have > > observed that even my " understanding " that " I Am " is coming from my > > mind. My level of " Being " is still the same. " I " still get mad, > > disappointed, happy etc. Even after hours of thinking about how > all > > of these ideas make sense I observe that my moods wax and wane and > > that I am most definately identified with " I " being my thoughts, > > body, hopes, dislikes, Steve, etc. I wish this were not true but > > after this long trip with so much quiet time to myself I would be > > lying to say other wise. Sure, I can say that " I " am not my body > and > > I most certainly like the idea.... but it is just my mind > > perpetuating itself.. and the search.. The only thing that I can > > verify is that my mind is addicted to seeking and that my level > > of " Being " is the same as it was when I was studying religion, > etc. > > I know this next phrase may be just from the " seeking mind " but it > > seems like my " Being " needs to be changed. It seems I am lacking > > something. The very thing the Buddhists work so hard to attain. Or > > that " Christ Consciousness " that is bandied about so much. Even as > I > > write this I can see my mind at work but I can not seem to go past > > this. Any suggestions? > > > > Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Nisargadatta , " yacobyisrael " <yacobyisrael> wrote: > Thanks Pete. That makes more sense. I did not get that out of your > first post. I'll try to equate frustration to joy somehow. > > Thanks again. > > Steve Instead of equating frustration with joy, Steve, be honest about what's maintaining the frustration, and what that attempt to get somewhere is about -- for you. Self-honesty, not someone else being honest about what's going on with you, for you. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Honestly, putting all of this together is a bit beyond my grasp. " Something " feels right about what you all have been saying but....I just can't seem to get a hold of it.. but then someone might say there is " nothing to get a hold of " which is a bit frustrating... but hey... no pain, no gain... (although some say I am enjoying this... and that may be true.. except it does not seem so...am I even qualified to say yes or no???.. Steve Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " yacobyisrael " > <yacobyisrael> wrote: > > Thanks Pete. That makes more sense. I did not get that out of your > > first post. I'll try to equate frustration to joy somehow. > > > > Thanks again. > > > > Steve > > Instead of equating frustration with joy, > Steve, be honest about what's maintaining > the frustration, and what that > attempt to get somewhere is about -- > for you. > > Self-honesty, not someone else being honest > about what's going on with you, for you. > > -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 - yacobyisrael Nisargadatta Tuesday, November 04, 2003 03:06 AM Lip service and imagination Sandeep,Dan and everyone, I had a very long trip with lots of silent road time to contemplate all I have read in the last three weeks. To be honest, I have observed that even my " understanding " that " I Am " is coming from my mind. My level of " Being " is still the same. " I " still get mad, disappointed, happy etc. Even after hours of thinking about how all of these ideas make sense I observe that my moods wax and wane and that I am most definately identified with " I " being my thoughts, body, hopes, dislikes, Steve, etc. I wish this were not true but after this long trip with so much quiet time to myself I would be lying to say other wise. Sure, I can say that " I " am not my body and I most certainly like the idea.... but it is just my mind perpetuating itself.. and the search.. The only thing that I can verify is that my mind is addicted to seeking and that my level of " Being " is the same as it was when I was studying religion, etc. I know this next phrase may be just from the " seeking mind " but it seems like my " Being " needs to be changed. It seems I am lacking something. The very thing the Buddhists work so hard to attain. Or that " Christ Consciousness " that is bandied about so much. Even as I write this I can see my mind at work -- Who sees the mind at work? ---- but I can not seem to go past this. ------- Who wishes to go past, whatever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Nisargadatta , " yacobyisrael " <yacobyisrael> wrote: > Sandeep,Dan and everyone, > I had a very long trip with lots of silent road time to contemplate > all I have read in the last three weeks. the silent road is the one >To be honest, I have > observed that even my " understanding " that " I Am " is coming from my > mind. My level of " Being " is still the same. " I " still get mad, > disappointed, happy etc. the hours are there for your eyes only >Even after hours of thinking about how all > of these ideas make sense I observe that my moods wax and wane and > that I am most definately identified with " I " being my thoughts, > body, hopes, dislikes, Steve, etc. wax and wane (never hinder this one please) >I wish this were not true but > after this long trip with so much quiet time to myself I would be > lying to say other wise. Sure, I can say that " I " am not my body and > I most certainly like the idea.... how many of us here are your body you think? >but it is just my mind > perpetuating itself.. and the search.. The only thing that I can > verify is that my mind is addicted to seeking and that my level > of " Being " is the same as it was when I was studying religion, etc. level of being, degree of learning, ability of dying > I know this next phrase may be just from the " seeking mind " but it > seems like my " Being " needs to be changed. It seems I am lacking > something. The very thing the Buddhists work so hard to attain. you won't find any good worker to accept that job, too much hassle (and you can't afford the cost anyway) >Or > that " Christ Consciousness " that is bandied about so much. Even as I > write this I can see my mind at work but I can not seem to go past > this. Any suggestions? what else do you exert on? do you rest at times? try doze off meditation, let half-dream half-thought images flow through without completely falling asleep effortless observation > > Steve eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: You asked for suggestions. I gave you one: Shut up and enjoy what you got, fully. Not half ass as you're doing now, pretending you don't like it and that there is more. There isn't any " more. " More is the gate of hell. All the trouble in the world starts with that word. Shut up! Be silent an enjoy whoever the hell you are. That's my suggestion. KKT: I like very much what you wrote here, Pete :-)) Very eloquent and true! Shut up = No more " more " ! :-)) So we are what we are. And we are happy :-)) Whatever we are in, heaven or hell. KKT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 seesaw1us wrote: >> > My man Harsha! Laconic eloquence in true Zen style. > I like that. > > Love, > > Pete Yes! :-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 Nisargadatta , Harsha wrote: > seesaw1us wrote: > > >> > > My man Harsha! Laconic eloquence in true Zen style. > > I like that. > > > > Love, > > > > Pete > > Yes! :-). Smile. Somehow doesn't work that well in the afirmative. Does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 seesaw1us wrote: > Nisargadatta , Harsha wrote: > > seesaw1us wrote: > > > > >> > > > My man Harsha! Laconic eloquence in true Zen style. > > > I like that. > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > Pete > > > > Yes! :-). > > Smile. Somehow doesn't work that well in the afirmative. Does it? No! :-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 Nisargadatta , " yacobyisrael " <yacobyisrael> wrote: > Sandeep,Dan and everyone, > I had a very long trip with lots of silent road time to contemplate > all I have read in the last three weeks. To be honest, I have > observed that even my " understanding " that " I Am " is coming from my > mind. My level of " Being " is still the same. " I " still get mad, > disappointed, happy etc. Even after hours of thinking about how all > of these ideas make sense I observe that my moods wax and wane and > that I am most definately identified with " I " being my thoughts, > body, hopes, dislikes, Steve, etc. I wish this were not true but > after this long trip with so much quiet time to myself I would be > lying to say other wise. Sure, I can say that " I " am not my body and > I most certainly like the idea.... but it is just my mind > perpetuating itself.. and the search.. The only thing that I can > verify is that my mind is addicted to seeking and that my level > of " Being " is the same as it was when I was studying religion, etc. > I know this next phrase may be just from the " seeking mind " but it > seems like my " Being " needs to be changed. It seems I am lacking > something. The very thing the Buddhists work so hard to attain. Or > that " Christ Consciousness " that is bandied about so much. Even as I > write this I can see my mind at work but I can not seem to go past > this. Any suggestions? > > Steve Hey, yes Steve you could look at it like this-- it is a different, bigger, better, shinier toy you got to play with, so have fun, knock yourself out!...but also you know that, contrary to a popular phrase, those that die with the most or biggest toys won't 'win' anything. Well, anyone could win something at anytime, like the lottery, but just don't think about it too much and try to put some idea of the winnings in a box, because sshhhhhh-- it's supposed to be a big surprise. cheers, Freyja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 Nisargadatta , " yacobyisrael " <yacobyisrael> wrote: > Sandeep,Dan and everyone, > I had a very long trip with lots of silent road time to contemplate > all I have read in the last three weeks. To be honest, I have > observed that even my " understanding " that " I Am " is coming from my > mind. You have thought this up. My level of " Being " is still the same. " I " still get mad, > disappointed, happy etc. That is not your level of Being. " I " is added to or covering Being. Even after hours of thinking about how all > of these ideas make sense I observe that my moods wax and wane and > that I am most definately identified with " I " being my thoughts, > body, hopes, dislikes, Steve, etc. I wish this were not true but > after this long trip with so much quiet time to myself I would be > lying to say other wise. Sure, I can say that " I " am not my body and > I most certainly like the idea.... but it is just my mind > perpetuating itself.. and the search.. The only thing that I can > verify is that my mind is addicted to seeking and that my level > of " Being " is the same as it was when I was studying religion, etc. You are still stuck thinking. Watch your thinking as often as you can. This is to be " more " (a word the ego likes) conscious. This activity of being concious and attentive is Now. You're ability to be conscious of your own behavior, thinking, feelings is in direct proportion to the freedom *from* that. You are now identified with all that. Who is choosing to be identified? > I know this next phrase may be just from the " seeking mind " but it > seems like my " Being " needs to be changed. It seems I am lacking > something. The very thing the Buddhists work so hard to attain. The work is not to attain something new. It is to remove the obstacles that seem to prevent knowledge of the Buddha nature. Or > that " Christ Consciousness " that is bandied about so much. Even as I > write this I can see my mind at work but I can not seem to go past > this. Any suggestions? > Breath slowly, watch your breath, the mind will slow and you can watch it more easily and more often. Break your habits. Do things in a different way than you normally do. Habits are ways of being less conscious and able to think of crap while we do mundane tasks. This takes us into our minds, in identification, in the future, in the past, always missing the moment. We avoid this Moment. Why? Just something to try. )))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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