Guest guest Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 P.S. Speaking of illusions - if an appearance seen through is now an illusion, then seeing through that is seen through, is now ... Seeing through an appearance and thinking that seeing through that activity through the result of that activity would lead to something else as an illusion by using compulsively the preposition now. Isn't illusion before appearance? Tell me Dan, what do you see with one word? smiles sk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 Nisargadatta , " skoggman " <skoggman> wrote: > P.S. Speaking of illusions - if an appearance > seen through is now an illusion, then > seeing through that is seen through, is now ... > > > Seeing through an appearance and thinking that seeing through that > activity through the result of that activity would lead to something > else as an illusion by using compulsively the preposition now. Isn't > illusion before appearance? > > Tell me Dan, what do you see with one word? > > > > smiles > sk Hey Skoggen, Now seems not to be arriving on time latetly. Maybe we should reflect on the fact that what we call now is information received and processed by the nervous system. And that takes a few microseconds. So now is really then. To translate it into Danish: A a now/then has no when but now, even for a brown cow, there is no when that is not or ever been another when but now. Confused, bother, and bewildered... but only for now, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " skoggman " <skoggman> wrote: > > P.S. Speaking of illusions - if an appearance > > seen through is now an illusion, then > > seeing through that is seen through, is now ... > > > > > > Seeing through an appearance and thinking that seeing through that > > activity through the result of that activity would lead to > something > > else as an illusion by using compulsively the preposition now. > Isn't > > illusion before appearance? > > > > Tell me Dan, what do you see with one word? > > > > > > > > smiles > > sk > > Hey Skoggen, > > Now seems not to be arriving on time latetly. Maybe we should > reflect on the fact that what we call now is information received > and processed by the nervous system. And that takes a few > microseconds. So now is really then. To translate it into Danish: > A a now/then has no when but now, even for a brown cow, there is no > when that is not or ever been another when but now. > > Confused, bother, and bewildered... but only for now, > > Pete Pete in love again? the danish version: " Hej Skoggen , Nu synes ikke at blive ankomst præcis sent. Måske vi burde genspejle oven på den den omstændighed, at hvad vi hidkalde nu er information indkomne og forarbejdet af den nervesystem. Og at tager nogle få microseconds. Altså nu er skam så er der ikke mere. Hen til oversætte sig i Dansk : EN en nu / så er der ikke mere har ikke hvor men nu , selv nemlig en brun ko , der er ikke hvor det vil sige ikke eller nogen sinde blevet en anden hvor men nu. Benovet , genere , og bewildered. men bare nemlig nu , Pete " http://www.tranexp.com:2000/InterTran eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 - Eric! I'm impressed. You actually know Dannish. And what I wrote makes, now, a lot more sense without we undertanding a word. Thanks Pete -- In Nisargadatta , " eric paroissien " <vertvetiver> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skoggman " <skoggman> > wrote: > > > P.S. Speaking of illusions - if an appearance > > > seen through is now an illusion, then > > > seeing through that is seen through, is now ... > > > > > > > > > Seeing through an appearance and thinking that seeing through > that > > > activity through the result of that activity would lead to > > something > > > else as an illusion by using compulsively the preposition now. > > Isn't > > > illusion before appearance? > > > > > > Tell me Dan, what do you see with one word? > > > > > > > > > > > > smiles > > > sk > > > > Hey Skoggen, > > > > Now seems not to be arriving on time latetly. Maybe we should > > reflect on the fact that what we call now is information received > > and processed by the nervous system. And that takes a few > > microseconds. So now is really then. To translate it into Danish: > > A a now/then has no when but now, even for a brown cow, there is no > > when that is not or ever been another when but now. > > > > Confused, bother, and bewildered... but only for now, > > > > Pete > > > Pete in love again? > > the danish version: > " Hej Skoggen , Nu synes ikke at blive ankomst præcis sent. Måske vi > burde genspejle oven på den den omstændighed, at hvad vi hidkalde nu > er information indkomne og forarbejdet af den nervesystem. Og at > tager nogle få microseconds. Altså nu er skam så er der ikke mere. > Hen til oversætte sig i Dansk : EN en nu / så er der ikke mere har > ikke hvor men nu , selv nemlig en brun ko , der er ikke hvor det vil > sige ikke eller nogen sinde blevet en anden hvor men nu. Benovet , > genere , og bewildered. men bare nemlig nu , Pete " > > http://www.tranexp.com:2000/InterTran > eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > Hey Skoggen, > > Now seems not to be arriving on time latetly. Maybe we should > reflect on the fact that what we call now is information received > and processed by the nervous system. And that takes a few > microseconds. The now takes time? )))))) >So now is really then. Only when you think about it! To translate it into Danish: > A a now/then has no when but now, even for a brown cow, there is no > when that is not or ever been another when but now. > > Confused, bother, and bewildered... but only for now, > > Pete For you, pete, that may last some time. ))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 Nisargadatta , " skoggman " <skoggman> wrote: > P.S. Speaking of illusions - if an appearance > seen through is now an illusion, then > seeing through that is seen through, is now ... > > > Seeing through an appearance and thinking that seeing through that > activity through the result of that activity would lead to something > else as an illusion by using compulsively the preposition now. Isn't > illusion before appearance? > > Tell me Dan, what do you see with one word? > > > > smiles > sk You. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Shawn Hair " <shawn@w...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " > <seesaw1us> wrote: > >> > Confused, bother, and bewildered... but only for now, > > > > Pete > > For you, pete, that may last some time. > > ))))Shawn Dear friend, Do you mean there is duration in the now and hope beyond, somehow? Do you mean that, I, an ignorant louse in the now, could find myself wise in another now, and if so, explain to me your mysterious Tao? ))(()) Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " Shawn Hair " <shawn@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " > > <seesaw1us> wrote: > > > >> > Confused, bother, and bewildered... but only for now, > > > > > > Pete > > > > For you, pete, that may last some time. > > > > ))))Shawn > > Dear friend, > > Do you mean there is duration in the now and hope beyond, somehow? There is hope now. And yes...the now is eternally present. (so you got plenty of time.))))) > Do you mean that, I, an ignorant louse in the now, could find myself > wise in another now, and if so, explain to me your mysterious Tao? Ah! Be kind to yourself. There are plenty of others to call you louse. ))))The admission of ignorance is the beginning of wisdom (in your mind.) How could there be another now? That's in the mind. momentary Here/Now, polemicly yours, Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Shawn Hair " <shawn@w...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Shawn Hair " <shawn@w...> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " > > > <seesaw1us> wrote: > > > > > >> > Confused, bother, and bewildered... but only for now, > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > For you, pete, that may last some time. > > > > > > ))))Shawn > > > > Dear friend, > > > > Do you mean there is duration in the now and hope beyond, somehow? > > There is hope now. And yes...the now is eternally present. (so you got plenty > of time.))))) Dear friend, You have come a long way! You were born a pure little piglet and now.... You're a conceptual mud devouring sow. Roasted pork is big with the hoola crowd . Watch out! (())(()) > > > > Do you mean that, I, an ignorant louse in the now, could find myself > > wise in another now, and if so, explain to me your mysterious Tao? > > Ah! Be kind to yourself. There are plenty of others to call you louse. ))))The > admission of ignorance is the beginning of wisdom (in your mind.) How could > there be another now? That's in the mind. > > momentary Here/Now, > polemicly yours, > Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " Shawn Hair " <shawn@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > > wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " Shawn Hair " <shawn@w...> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " > > > > <seesaw1us> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > Confused, bother, and bewildered... but only for now, > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > For you, pete, that may last some time. > > > > > > > > ))))Shawn > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > Do you mean there is duration in the now and hope beyond, > somehow? > > > > There is hope now. And yes...the now is eternally present. (so you > got plenty > > of time.))))) > > > Dear friend, > You have come a long way! > You were born a pure little piglet > and now.... > You're a conceptual mud devouring sow. > Roasted pork is big with the hoola crowd . > Watch out! > > (())(()) Pete you are a very nasty person, ... ok gimme a rib! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 > > Dear friend, > > You have come a long way! > > You were born a pure little piglet > > and now.... > > You're a conceptual mud devouring sow. > > Roasted pork is big with the hoola crowd . > > Watch out! > > > > (())(()) > > Pete you are a very nasty person, ... > ok gimme a rib! Smile. Here is something our beloved Karta contributed to another list. That fits the occasion. Rules of the game The aim of the game is to get across the intellectual battleground unscathed. There are two types of injury you can suffer. A direct hit occurs when you answer in a way which implies a logical contradiction. Such possibilities are unavoidable given the constraints on the game. We merely ask that you do not take it personally if you suffer a direct hit and don't get too frustrated if the choices we offer you sometimes seem to force you into a choice you'd rather not make. You have to bite a bullet if your choices have an implication that most would find strange, incredible or unpalatable. There is more room for disagreement here, since what strikes many people as extraordinary or bizarre can strike others as normal. So, again, please do not get too upset if we judge you have bitten a bullet. Maybe it is our world-view which is warped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > > > Dear friend, > > > You have come a long way! > > > You were born a pure little piglet > > > and now.... > > > You're a conceptual mud devouring sow. > > > Roasted pork is big with the hoola crowd . > > > Watch out! > > > > > > (())(()) > > > > Pete you are a very nasty person, ... > > ok gimme a rib! > > Smile. Here is something our beloved Karta > contributed to another list. That fits > the occasion. > > Rules of the game > > The aim of the game is to get across > the intellectual battleground > unscathed. There are two types of injury > you can suffer. > > A direct hit occurs when you answer > in a way which implies a logical contradiction. Such possibilities > are unavoidable > given the constraints on the game. > > We > merely ask that you do not take it personally if you suffer a direct > hit > and don't get too frustrated if the > choices we offer you sometimes seem > to force you into a choice you'd rather > not make. > > You have to bite a bullet if your > choices have an implication that most > would find strange, incredible or unpalatable. There is more room for > disagreement here, since what strikes > many people as extraordinary or > bizarre can strike others as normal. > > So, again, please do not get too upset > if we judge you have bitten a bullet. > Maybe it is our world-view which is > warped i like to play all kinds of games, how do we poceed with this one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 > > > > > > Pete you are a very nasty person, ... > > > ok gimme a rib! > > > > Smile. Here is something our beloved Karta > > contributed to another list. That fits > > the occasion. > > > > Rules of the game > > > > The aim of the game is to get across > > the intellectual battleground > > unscathed. There are two types of injury > > you can suffer. > > > > A direct hit occurs when you answer > > in a way which implies a logical contradiction. Such possibilities > > are unavoidable > > given the constraints on the game. > > > > We > > merely ask that you do not take it personally if you suffer a > direct > > hit > > and don't get too frustrated if the > > choices we offer you sometimes seem > > to force you into a choice you'd rather > > not make. > > > > You have to bite a bullet if your > > choices have an implication that most > > would find strange, incredible or unpalatable. There is more room > for > > disagreement here, since what strikes > > many people as extraordinary or > > bizarre can strike others as normal. > > > > So, again, please do not get too upset > > if we judge you have bitten a bullet. > > Maybe it is our world-view which is > > warped > > i like to play all kinds of games, how do we poceed with this one? You mean to say you haven't noticed you were playing it all along? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Pete you are a very nasty person, ... > > > > ok gimme a rib! > > > > > > Smile. Here is something our beloved Karta > > > contributed to another list. That fits > > > the occasion. > > > > > > Rules of the game > > > > > > The aim of the game is to get across > > > the intellectual battleground > > > unscathed. There are two types of injury > > > you can suffer. > > > > > > A direct hit occurs when you answer > > > in a way which implies a logical contradiction. Such > possibilities > > > are unavoidable > > > given the constraints on the game. > > > > > > We > > > merely ask that you do not take it personally if you suffer a > > direct > > > hit > > > and don't get too frustrated if the > > > choices we offer you sometimes seem > > > to force you into a choice you'd rather > > > not make. > > > > > > You have to bite a bullet if your > > > choices have an implication that most > > > would find strange, incredible or unpalatable. There is more room > > for > > > disagreement here, since what strikes > > > many people as extraordinary or > > > bizarre can strike others as normal. > > > > > > So, again, please do not get too upset > > > if we judge you have bitten a bullet. > > > Maybe it is our world-view which is > > > warped > > > > i like to play all kinds of games, how do we poceed with this one? > > You mean to say you haven't noticed you were playing it all along? where is the suffering, and the injury, and the bullets? who did what when? until now it feels like my kids playground with an interesting show now and then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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