Claiming to know a thing or two about the unknown and the known

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Nisargadatta , ewa1@r... wrote:

> The point is that all you can know is the known and the fear

> is the loss of that.

 

Are you sure you really know that this is what the point is?

 

Have you ever lost the known?

 

If not, how can you fear what you never experienced?

 

All your fear could be, then, is an image you made up.

 

So, then the question no longer is about fearing the loss

of the known, but why you are making things up to scare

yourself.

 

If , however, you have experienced loss of the known,

one would have to ask,

how did you get it back again, after you lost it?

 

> We, me , you, it,.have no relationship

> to any unknown.

 

Do you know this for sure?

 

How do you know?

 

Do you have any clue what the unknown is, that

you are talking about, which you say we have

no relationship with?

 

If so, how is it that you can know what is the unknown?

 

If not, then how can you discuss relationship or nonrelationship

with it?

 

> All we can deal with is the known .

 

Are you sure that is what you are dealing with?

 

How do you know it is not the unknown that you are dealing with?

 

> Unknown

> doesn't exist nor can it be any part of the known.

 

How can you know this about the unknown?

 

Are you a knower of the unknown?

 

> Short answer; " no, we we don't know the unknown and cannot "

> " yes, its all about the known "

 

What's this it, that is all about the known?

 

The known what?

 

What makes you so sure it's known?

 

How do you know when you know something?

 

How do you know when you don't know?

 

-- Dan

 

> <To know there is the unknown, is something known,

> is it not?

>

> -- Dan >

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

wrote:

 

snip

 

> How do you know when you don't know?

>

> -- Dan

 

hey, this looks like a koan, the uroboros snake swallowing its tail

http://www.alchemists.com/uroboros/images/boehme.jpg

the deep pit of recurrent thought

eric

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Nisargadatta , " eric paroissien "

<vertvetiver> wrote:

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

> wrote:

>

> snip

>

> > How do you know when you don't know?

> >

> > -- Dan

>

> hey, this looks like a koan, the uroboros snake swallowing its tail

> http://www.alchemists.com/uroboros/images/boehme.jpg

> the deep pit of recurrent thought

> eric

 

Yes, it gives a whole new meaning to Satchell Paige's

observation: " don't look back, something might

be gaining on you. "

 

:-)

 

-- Dan

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

wrote:

> Nisargadatta , " eric paroissien "

> <vertvetiver> wrote:

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

<dan330033>

> > wrote:

> >

> > snip

> >

> > > How do you know when you don't know?

> > >

> > > -- Dan

> >

> > hey, this looks like a koan, the uroboros snake swallowing its

tail

> > http://www.alchemists.com/uroboros/images/boehme.jpg

> > the deep pit of recurrent thought

> > eric

>

> Yes, it gives a whole new meaning to Satchell Paige's

> observation: " don't look back, something might

> be gaining on you. "

>

> :-)

>

> -- Dan

 

 

> > How do you know when you don't know? when you don't care to know

anymore!

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Nisargadatta , " jaya1946 " <jaya1946> wrote:

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

> wrote:

> > Nisargadatta , " eric paroissien "

> > <vertvetiver> wrote:

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> <dan330033>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > snip

> > >

> > > > How do you know when you don't know?

> > > >

> > > > -- Dan

> > >

> > > hey, this looks like a koan, the uroboros snake swallowing its

> tail

> > > http://www.alchemists.com/uroboros/images/boehme.jpg

> > > the deep pit of recurrent thought

> > > eric

> >

> > Yes, it gives a whole new meaning to Satchell Paige's

> > observation: " don't look back, something might

> > be gaining on you. "

> >

> > :-)

> >

> > -- Dan

>

>

> > > How do you know when you don't know? when you don't care to

know

> anymore!

 

 

You don't.

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

wrote:

> Nisargadatta , " jaya1946 " <jaya1946>

wrote:

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

<dan330033>

> > wrote:

> > > Nisargadatta , " eric paroissien "

> > > <vertvetiver> wrote:

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> > <dan330033>

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > snip

> > > >

> > > > > How do you know when you don't know?

> > > > >

> > > > > -- Dan

> > > >

> > > > hey, this looks like a koan, the uroboros snake swallowing

its

> > tail

> > > > http://www.alchemists.com/uroboros/images/boehme.jpg

> > > > the deep pit of recurrent thought

> > > > eric

> > >

> > > Yes, it gives a whole new meaning to Satchell Paige's

> > > observation: " don't look back, something might

> > > be gaining on you. "

> > >

> > > :-)

> > >

> > > -- Dan

> >

> >

> > > > How do you know when you don't know? when you don't care to

> know

> > anymore!

>

>

> You don't.

 

EVERYTHING IS NOTHING SO WHAT TO KNOW ABOUT NOTHING, MIND/EGO ALWAYS

WANTS TO KNOW SOMETHING BUT WHEN MIND DISSOLVES, THEN THERE IS

NOTHING TO KNOW YOU AS HE IS SELFEVIDENT WITHOUT A NEED TO KNOW.

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

wrote:

> Nisargadatta , " jaya1946 " <jaya1946>

wrote:

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

> > wrote:

> > > Nisargadatta , " eric paroissien "

> > > <vertvetiver> wrote:

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 "

> > <dan330033>

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > snip

> > > >

> > > > > How do you know when you don't know?

> > > > >

> > > > > -- Dan

> > > >

> > > > hey, this looks like a koan, the uroboros snake swallowing

its

> > tail

> > > > http://www.alchemists.com/uroboros/images/boehme.jpg

> > > > the deep pit of recurrent thought

> > > > eric

> > >

> > > Yes, it gives a whole new meaning to Satchell Paige's

> > > observation: " don't look back, something might

> > > be gaining on you. "

> > >

> > > :-)

> > >

> > > -- Dan

> >

> >

> > > > How do you know when you don't know? when you don't care to

> know

> > anymore!

>

>

> You don't.

 

then the mind stalls,

here the mind stalls, right?

let me check,.....

hmmm.... nope, still arunnin'!

eric

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> then the mind stalls,

> here the mind stalls, right?

> let me check,.....

> hmmm.... nope, still arunnin'!

> eric

 

No movement to check arises,

when nothing is conceptualized

as needing the movement of checking.

 

-- Dan

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> > > > > How do you know when you don't know? when you don't care to

> > know

> > > anymore!

> >

> >

> > You don't.

>

> EVERYTHING IS NOTHING SO WHAT TO KNOW ABOUT NOTHING, MIND/EGO

ALWAYS

> WANTS TO KNOW SOMETHING BUT WHEN MIND DISSOLVES, THEN THERE IS

> NOTHING TO KNOW YOU AS HE IS SELFEVIDENT WITHOUT A NEED TO KNOW.

 

You don't.

 

And you don't know all this capitalized stuff about

minds that don't exist until you make them up.

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033>

wrote:

> > > > > > How do you know when you don't know? when you don't care

to

> > > know

> > > > anymore!

> > >

> > >

> > > You don't.

> >

> > EVERYTHING IS NOTHING SO WHAT TO KNOW ABOUT NOTHING, MIND/EGO

> ALWAYS

> > WANTS TO KNOW SOMETHING BUT WHEN MIND DISSOLVES, THEN THERE IS

> > NOTHING TO KNOW YOU AS HE IS SELFEVIDENT WITHOUT A NEED TO KNOW.

>

> You don't.

>

> And you don't know all this capitalized stuff about

> minds that don't exist until you make them up.

 

WeLL HE doesn't contain a real you!!!!HE is beyound make

believe.

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HE ~ is make believe.

 

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> > You don't.

> >

> > And you don't know all this capitalized stuff about

> > minds that don't exist until you make them up.

>

> WeLL HE doesn't contain a real you!!!!HE is beyound make

> believe.