Guest guest Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > In a message dated 11/19/2003 1:29:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > >It's the life and death question -- > to be born into/as eternal life, or defer > that birth indefinitely by clinging to > >birth and death, " my life in time. " > > --> Dan > Eternal life? Awfully Christian of you. > Care to elaborate what meaning > that intriguing phrase > has for you, dear friend? > > Pete Jesus is my good buddy. He made clear that the truth is freely open to any one that is ready to die via sincerity. No " ism, " no " meditation " no " intellectualizing " no making a show of being " enlightened " -- just *clarity* that is not obtained by merit, actions, nor from this world, and not from another -- simply directly according to readiness. The meaning you asked for is to be, without one's own being -- to be thoroughly dead, that one's life is now timeless, nondurational. To reach the point you can't pass through, and instantly *know* what it is to be beyond it, while remaining here. Through the eye of a needle, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 .. He (Jesus) made clear that the truth is freely open to any one that is ready to die via sincerity. Dan aka single minded .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 - God be praised, friend! I thought you had become a Christian. Forgive me for such lack of faith. I'm always suspitious of people dangling eternal life in front of my nose. by Life, of course, we mean consciousness, unless we are into botany big time. Consciousness is a side show, anyway. The Buddha and Maharaj claimed Paranirvana or Parabhradman was beyond. Neither consciousness nor not consciousness, but I bore you with this well known details. Enjoy the side show, Pete -- In Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > Nisargadatta , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 11/19/2003 1:29:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > >It's the life and death question -- > > to be born into/as eternal life, or defer > > that birth indefinitely by clinging to > > >birth and death, " my life in time. " > > > > --> Dan > > Eternal life? Awfully Christian of you. > > Care to elaborate what meaning > > that intriguing phrase > > has for you, dear friend? > > > > Pete > > Jesus is my good buddy. > > He made clear that the truth is freely open > to any one that is ready to die via sincerity. > > No " ism, " no " meditation " no " intellectualizing " > no making a show of being " enlightened " > -- just *clarity* that is not obtained > by merit, actions, nor from this world, > and not from another -- simply directly > according to readiness. > > The meaning you asked for is to be, without > one's own being -- > to be thoroughly dead, that one's > life is now timeless, nondurational. > > To reach the point you can't pass through, > and instantly *know* what it is to be > beyond it, while remaining here. > > Through the eye of a needle, > Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 > He (Jesus) made clear that the truth is freely open > to any one that is ready to die via sincerity. > Dan > > > aka single minded > > > > . Let your eye be single and your whole body is filled with light. -- J of N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > - > God be praised, friend! > I thought you had become a Christian. > Forgive me for such lack of faith. I'm always > suspitious of people dangling eternal life in front of my > nose. by Life, of course, we mean consciousness, unless we > are into botany big time. Consciousness is a side show, anyway. > The Buddha and Maharaj claimed Paranirvana or Parabhradman was > beyond. Neither consciousness nor not consciousness, but I bore you > with this well known details. > > Enjoy the side show, > > Pete Oh, ye of little faith! :-) And thanks for sharing the boredom... My buddy Jesus knew Qabala, which includes the teaching that all that is manifests from no-thing, called " ayn. " So " ayn " (no-thing) is beyond the concept of God which is offered for those requiring some kind of positive Being. Hence the teaching about passing through the eye of the needle, as it is said one must pass through the primal point (the rich man who can't pass being the mind of concepts). -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > wrote: > > - > > God be praised, friend! > > I thought you had become a Christian. > > Forgive me for such lack of faith. I'm always > > suspitious of people dangling eternal life in front of my > > nose. by Life, of course, we mean consciousness, unless we > > are into botany big time. Consciousness is a side show, anyway. > > The Buddha and Maharaj claimed Paranirvana or Parabhradman was > > beyond. Neither consciousness nor not consciousness, but I bore you > > with this well known details. > > > > Enjoy the side show, > > > > Pete > > Oh, ye of little faith! > > :-) > > And thanks for sharing the boredom... > > My buddy Jesus knew Qabala, which includes > the teaching that all that is > manifests from no-thing, > called " ayn. " > > So " ayn " (no-thing) is beyond the concept of > God which is offered for those > requiring some kind of positive > Being. > > Hence the teaching about passing > through the eye of the needle, > as it is said one must pass through > the primal point (the rich man > who can't pass being the mind > of concepts). > > -- Dan in hebrew and arabic " 3ayn " means " eye " and it means " source " too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 Nisargadatta , " eric paroissien " <vertvetiver@a...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > > wrote: > > > - > > > God be praised, friend! > > > I thought you had become a Christian. > > > Forgive me for such lack of faith. I'm always > > > suspitious of people dangling eternal life in front of my > > > nose. by Life, of course, we mean consciousness, unless we > > > are into botany big time. Consciousness is a side show, anyway. > > > The Buddha and Maharaj claimed Paranirvana or Parabhradman was > > > beyond. Neither consciousness nor not consciousness, but I bore > you > > > with this well known details. > > > > > > Enjoy the side show, > > > > > > Pete > > > > Oh, ye of little faith! > > > > :-) > > > > And thanks for sharing the boredom... > > > > My buddy Jesus knew Qabala, which includes > > the teaching that all that is > > manifests from no-thing, > > called " ayn. " > > > > So " ayn " (no-thing) is beyond the concept of > > God which is offered for those > > requiring some kind of positive > > Being. > > > > Hence the teaching about passing > > through the eye of the needle, > > as it is said one must pass through > > the primal point (the rich man > > who can't pass being the mind > > of concepts). > > > > -- Dan > > in hebrew and arabic " 3ayn " means " eye " and it means " source " too; but the word eye in " eye of the needle " belongs to english language i don't know what we have in aramaic for " eye of the needle " (anybody knows?); could be " hole " , " door " , " pass " according to a language constructing of daily tools; i french the " chas " of a needle is used and " chas " means cavity, trunk (??!!) as seen in english " chest " eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 > > > > God be praised, friend! > > > > I thought you had become a Christian. > > > > Forgive me for such lack of faith. I'm always > > > > suspitious of people dangling eternal life in front of my > > > > nose. by Life, of course, we mean consciousness, unless we > > > > are into botany big time. Consciousness is a side show, anyway. > > > > The Buddha and Maharaj claimed Paranirvana or Parabhradman was > > > > beyond. Neither consciousness nor not consciousness, but I bore > > you > > > > with this well known details. > > > > > > > > Enjoy the side show, > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > Oh, ye of little faith! > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > And thanks for sharing the boredom... > > > > > > My buddy Jesus knew Qabala, which includes > > > the teaching that all that is > > > manifests from no-thing, > > > called " ayn. " > > > > > > So " ayn " (no-thing) is beyond the concept of > > > God which is offered for those > > > requiring some kind of positive > > > Being. > > > > > > Hence the teaching about passing > > > through the eye of the needle, > > > as it is said one must pass through > > > the primal point (the rich man > > > who can't pass being the mind > > > of concepts). > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > in hebrew and arabic " 3ayn " means " eye " and it means " source " too; > > but the word eye in " eye of the needle " belongs to english language i > don't know what we have in aramaic for " eye of the needle " (anybody > knows?); could be " hole " , " door " , " pass " according to a language > constructing of daily tools; i french the " chas " of a needle is used > and " chas " means cavity, trunk (??!!) as seen in english " chest " > eric I thought, that accent here is not the language, but on the camel who will not fit through a small gate again: straight is way and narrow... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Era " <satkarta4@j...> wrote: > > > > > God be praised, friend! > > > > > I thought you had become a Christian. > > > > > Forgive me for such lack of faith. I'm always > > > > > suspitious of people dangling eternal life in front of my > > > > > nose. by Life, of course, we mean consciousness, unless we > > > > > are into botany big time. Consciousness is a side show, anyway. > > > > > The Buddha and Maharaj claimed Paranirvana or Parabhradman was > > > > > beyond. Neither consciousness nor not consciousness, but I bore > > > you > > > > > with this well known details. > > > > > > > > > > Enjoy the side show, > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > Oh, ye of little faith! > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > And thanks for sharing the boredom... > > > > > > > > My buddy Jesus knew Qabala, which includes > > > > the teaching that all that is > > > > manifests from no-thing, > > > > called " ayn. " > > > > > > > > So " ayn " (no-thing) is beyond the concept of > > > > God which is offered for those > > > > requiring some kind of positive > > > > Being. > > > > > > > > Hence the teaching about passing > > > > through the eye of the needle, > > > > as it is said one must pass through > > > > the primal point (the rich man > > > > who can't pass being the mind > > > > of concepts). > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > in hebrew and arabic " 3ayn " means " eye " and it means " source " too; > > > > but the word eye in " eye of the needle " belongs to english language i > > don't know what we have in aramaic for " eye of the needle " (anybody > > knows?); could be " hole " , " door " , " pass " according to a language > > constructing of daily tools; i french the " chas " of a needle is used > > and " chas " means cavity, trunk (??!!) as seen in english " chest " > > eric > > > I thought, that accent here is not the language, but on the camel > > who will not fit through a small gate > > again: straight is way and narrow... It's so small it has no dimension. No thing can get through. Yet, you're through. You can't get through, though, as long as you are the baggage you're holding. " Unless you become as a child, you will not know the kingdom of heaven. " " You must die, and be reborn. " " So is each that is born of spirit. " " Behold, all things are made new. " " I come as a thief in the night. " " In the twinkling of an eye, all is changed. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 Dan, I had just wrote the line myself " a twikling of an eye " and then when I read you post you had it too. ;-) S Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " Era " <satkarta4@j...> wrote: > > > > > > God be praised, friend! > > > > > > I thought you had become a Christian. > > > > > > Forgive me for such lack of faith. I'm always > > > > > > suspitious of people dangling eternal life in front of my > > > > > > nose. by Life, of course, we mean consciousness, unless we > > > > > > are into botany big time. Consciousness is a side show, > anyway. > > > > > > The Buddha and Maharaj claimed Paranirvana or Parabhradman > was > > > > > > beyond. Neither consciousness nor not consciousness, but I > bore > > > > you > > > > > > with this well known details. > > > > > > > > > > > > Enjoy the side show, > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > Oh, ye of little faith! > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > And thanks for sharing the boredom... > > > > > > > > > > My buddy Jesus knew Qabala, which includes > > > > > the teaching that all that is > > > > > manifests from no-thing, > > > > > called " ayn. " > > > > > > > > > > So " ayn " (no-thing) is beyond the concept of > > > > > God which is offered for those > > > > > requiring some kind of positive > > > > > Being. > > > > > > > > > > Hence the teaching about passing > > > > > through the eye of the needle, > > > > > as it is said one must pass through > > > > > the primal point (the rich man > > > > > who can't pass being the mind > > > > > of concepts). > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > in hebrew and arabic " 3ayn " means " eye " and it means " source " > too; > > > > > > but the word eye in " eye of the needle " belongs to english > language i > > > don't know what we have in aramaic for " eye of the needle " > (anybody > > > knows?); could be " hole " , " door " , " pass " according to a language > > > constructing of daily tools; i french the " chas " of a needle is > used > > > and " chas " means cavity, trunk (??!!) as seen in english " chest " > > > eric > > > > > > I thought, that accent here is not the language, but on the camel > > > > who will not fit through a small gate > > > > again: straight is way and narrow... > > It's so small it has no dimension. > > No thing can get through. > > Yet, you're through. > > You can't get through, though, as long > as you are the baggage you're holding. > > " Unless you become as a child, you will > not know the kingdom of heaven. " > > " You must die, and be reborn. " > > " So is each that is born of spirit. " > > " Behold, all things are made new. " > > " I come as a thief in the night. " > > " In the twinkling of an eye, all is changed. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > > > Hence the teaching about passing > > through the eye of the > needle, > > as it is said one must >pass through > > the primal point > (the rich man > > who can't pass being the mind > > of >concepts). > > > > > -- Dan > > in hebrew and arabic " 3ayn " means " eye " > >and .it .means " source " >too Excellent point, Eric. Yes, it's a pun, > >as ayn can mean eye and no-thing. Also, coincidentally, >the third > >letter of the alphabet is gimmel, which means camel, and camel > >means: from 1. http://www.inner.org/HEBLETER/GIMMEL.HTM: * The > >camel's journey through the >desert of this world. * The camel > >symbolizes the angel of death. * A bridge; the connecting force > >inherent in nature. * Primordial matter and Divine wisdom. Also, the > >same word gamel, can >mean a thick rope, so another pun, " it is > >easier for a rope to pass through the eye of a needle, " > >becomes " take the journey through the desert of the world, as the > >mind of concepts, being greeted >by the angel of death, making the > >impossible passage through single-point awareness to/as no->thing. > -- Dan > > Dear friend, > > What's with all this biblical interpretation? Are you reverting to > your Judaic roots? > Scriptural interpretation is a `personal art form,' very creative and > popular. It gives the > illusion the interpreter knows exactly what the prophet intended to > say. It's not hard to do either, because language is generally > pliable and vague. People are always ready to read divine meaning > into anything: The liver of lambs, tea leaves, chicken's guts, and > The Matrix. > > People are so gullible, so ready to be fooled by others, and so ready > to fool themselves. > > Let's take this phrase you are using, and play with it. Originally it > read differently but Bishop Euthanasious in Superball XXX ( I mean > Synod XXX)change it to the present form. > By the way, the practice of Euthanasia was named after the Bishop > because he had the queer notion that if Heaven was the highest > happiness, and if it could be lost by sinning it was best to sent > good people there before they had a chance of screwing up. > > Anyway I'm digressing. Here is the original phrase : " First will an > ass enter the ass of an ass, than a `person' enter the kingdom of > Heaven " ... If you are so moved..... Try your interpreting skills on > it. > > Jerkovich Master of Kabala. I'm glad to hear you still enjoy hearing yourself talk. I'm enjoying your enjoyment of your wit! That's an artform, Pete! I see here in my Bible, that when the tower of Babble On fell, that never stopped you! Ah, the brook of life babbles on, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 --- > > I'm glad to hear you still enjoy hearing yourself talk. > > I'm enjoying your enjoyment of your wit! > > That's an artform, Pete! > > I see here in my Bible, that when the tower of > Babble On fell, that never stopped you! > > Ah, the brook of life babbles on, > Dan Ah, dear poor friend, You mean to tell me you don't enjoy writing your lenghty explanations of the obvious? You mean you wallpaper all these lists with your emails hating every minute of it? Please, don't torture yourself on my account. I hate seeing you suffer to save the world. It does brake my heart to see you dragging that heavy cross. Where did I put them nails? Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2003 Report Share Posted November 21, 2003 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: slip(!) > Ah, the brook of life babbles on, > Dan merrily merrily merrily life is but a dream Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2003 Report Share Posted November 21, 2003 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > --- > > > > I'm glad to hear you still enjoy hearing yourself talk. > > > > I'm enjoying your enjoyment of your wit! > > > > That's an artform, Pete! > > > > I see here in my Bible, that when the tower of > > Babble On fell, that never stopped you! > > > > Ah, the brook of life babbles on, > > Dan > > Ah, dear poor friend, > You mean to tell me you don't enjoy writing your > lenghty explanations of the obvious? > You mean you wallpaper all these lists with your emails > hating every minute of it? > > Please, don't torture yourself on my account. I hate > seeing you suffer to save the world. > > It does brake my heart to see you dragging that heavy cross. > Where did I put them nails? > Pete no need brakes on your heart Pete, enjoy without restraint, suffering is plenty and free :-) eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2003 Report Share Posted November 21, 2003 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > --- > > > > I'm glad to hear you still enjoy hearing yourself talk. > > > > I'm enjoying your enjoyment of your wit! > > > > That's an artform, Pete! > > > > I see here in my Bible, that when the tower of > > Babble On fell, that never stopped you! > > > > Ah, the brook of life babbles on, > > Dan > > Ah, dear poor friend, > You mean to tell me you don't enjoy writing your > lenghty explanations of the obvious? Is that what I mean to tell you? Okay, thanks for letting me know what I mean to tell you. What would I do without you to tell me what I mean? > You mean you wallpaper all these lists with your emails > hating every minute of it? Thanks for letting me know what I'm doing, Pete, you're really helpful that way. > Please, don't torture yourself on my account. I hate > seeing you suffer to save the world. Thanks for telling me what not to do. You're a regular fount of wisdom of what other people are up to. > It does brake my heart to see you dragging that heavy cross. > Where did I put them nails? Okay, so now the mind of Pete has me dragging a cross. Thanks for the view into the ever-fascinating mind of Pete, as it constructs images of what other people really mean to say, what they are really doing, and the nails Pete would like to drive into their bodies. Great entertainment, the unresolved issues that constitute Pete :-) -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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