Guest guest Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 Dan, I had never considered who the " rich man " was in the statement of J/C. Makes sense about him not getting past the mind rich with concepts. Would you be agree that this also applies to what J/C said concerning " merchants " not being able to attain in the Gospel of Thomas? Merchants could mean in this context those who " peddle concepts " . I would love to hear your comments. Your commentary is also giving me an inspiration to re-consider what the " mark of the beast " may be that is on the forehead and right hand. Can't " buy or sell " with out it! Enjoying this, Steve Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > wrote: > > - > > God be praised, friend! > > I thought you had become a Christian. > > Forgive me for such lack of faith. I'm always > > suspitious of people dangling eternal life in front of my > > nose. by Life, of course, we mean consciousness, unless we > > are into botany big time. Consciousness is a side show, anyway. > > The Buddha and Maharaj claimed Paranirvana or Parabhradman was > > beyond. Neither consciousness nor not consciousness, but I bore you > > with this well known details. > > > > Enjoy the side show, > > > > Pete > > Oh, ye of little faith! > > :-) > > And thanks for sharing the boredom... > > My buddy Jesus knew Qabala, which includes > the teaching that all that is > manifests from no-thing, > called " ayn. " > > So " ayn " (no-thing) is beyond the concept of > God which is offered for those > requiring some kind of positive > Being. > > Hence the teaching about passing > through the eye of the needle, > as it is said one must pass through > the primal point (the rich man > who can't pass being the mind > of concepts). > > -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 Nisargadatta , " yacobyisrael " <yacobyisrael> wrote: > Dan, > I had never considered who the " rich man " was in the statement of > J/C. Makes sense about him not getting past the mind rich with > concepts. Would you be agree that this also applies to what J/C > said concerning " merchants " not being able to attain in the Gospel > of Thomas? Merchants could mean in this context those who " peddle > concepts " . I would love to hear your comments. Your commentary is > also giving me an inspiration to re-consider what the " mark of the > beast " may be that is on the forehead and right hand. Can't " buy or > sell " with out it! > > Enjoying this, > Steve Thanks, Steve, for sharing these thoughts. What did J/C say about merchants not being able to attain? Don't remember that part. Yes, it makes sense that if your agenda is to peddle concepts, that very agenda would become your concern, and thus you'd continue in the separate identity of the seller concerned with getting the buyers to buy. I've heard so many interpretations of the mark of the beast that I've been amazed at how much can be read into that symbol. I like your interpretation. I've heard everything from computers, to the European Union, to Christianity. The ever-turning ferris wheel of the human mind in its own carnival -- as it tries to make sense of things! -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " yacobyisrael " > <yacobyisrael> wrote: > > Dan, > > I had never considered who the " rich man " was in the statement of > > J/C. Makes sense about him not getting past the mind rich with > > concepts. Would you be agree that this also applies to what J/C > > said concerning " merchants " not being able to attain in the Gospel > > of Thomas? Merchants could mean in this context those who " peddle > > concepts " . I would love to hear your comments. Your commentary is > > also giving me an inspiration to re-consider what the " mark of the > > beast " may be that is on the forehead and right hand. Can't " buy or > > sell " with out it! > > > > Enjoying this, > > Steve > > Thanks, Steve, for sharing these thoughts. > > What did J/C say about merchants not being able > to attain? Don't remember that part. > > Yes, it makes sense that if your agenda is to peddle > concepts, that very agenda would become your concern, > and thus you'd continue in the separate identity of > the seller concerned with getting the buyers to buy. > > I've heard so many interpretations of the mark of the beast > that I've been amazed at how much can be read into that > symbol. I like your interpretation. > I've heard everything from computers, to the European Union, > to Christianity. The ever-turning ferris wheel of the human > mind in its own carnival -- as it tries to make sense of things! > > -- Dan Dan, when you need to search the Bible you have this: http://tinyurl.com/vv4m for the mark of the beast someone said that on the highway of salvation there are two ways one to god and the other to the beast (what was the text i don't remember: and they will be cast outside in the cold where there is grinding of teeth ... or something, anybody remembers) and some might be reborn in the hide of a hog and served in sandwiches... eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 Dan, Yes, the mark of the beast is a subject of great concern to many. My father-in-law believes that it is any number issued by the GOV'T especially the ss# and driver's license. He has " gotten rid " of both and is on a perpetual soap box these days. So much for peddling concepts. As for the Gospel of Thomas here is the paragraph: Saying 64) Jesus said: A man had guests; and when he had prepared the dinner, he sent his servants to invite the guests. He went to the first, and said to him: My master invites you. He said: I have money with some merchants; they are coming to me this evening. I will go and give them my orders. I ask to be excused from the dinner. He went to another (and) said to him: My master invites you. He said to him: I have bought a house, and I am asked for a day. I shall not have time. He went to another (and) said to him: My master invites you. He said to him: My friend is about to be married, and I am to arrange the dinner. I shall not be able to come. I ask to be excused from dinner. He went to another, he said to him: My master invites you. He said to him: I have bought a farm; I am going to collect the rent. I shall not be able to come. I ask to be excused. The servant came back (and) said to his master: Those whom you have invited to dinner have asked to be excused. The master said to his servant: Go out to the roads, bring those whom you find, that they may dine. Traders and merchants [shall] not [enter] the places of my Father. As you stated earlier, realization " now " is all that matters. I just got a book called " Christ the Yogi " which looks like a good one. Really enjoying the list (instead of working... ;-) Steve Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " yacobyisrael " > <yacobyisrael> wrote: > > Dan, > > I had never considered who the " rich man " was in the statement of > > J/C. Makes sense about him not getting past the mind rich with > > concepts. Would you be agree that this also applies to what J/C > > said concerning " merchants " not being able to attain in the Gospel > > of Thomas? Merchants could mean in this context those who " peddle > > concepts " . I would love to hear your comments. Your commentary is > > also giving me an inspiration to re-consider what the " mark of the > > beast " may be that is on the forehead and right hand. Can't " buy or > > sell " with out it! > > > > Enjoying this, > > Steve > > Thanks, Steve, for sharing these thoughts. > > What did J/C say about merchants not being able > to attain? Don't remember that part. > > Yes, it makes sense that if your agenda is to peddle > concepts, that very agenda would become your concern, > and thus you'd continue in the separate identity of > the seller concerned with getting the buyers to buy. > > I've heard so many interpretations of the mark of the beast > that I've been amazed at how much can be read into that > symbol. I like your interpretation. > I've heard everything from computers, to the European Union, > to Christianity. The ever-turning ferris wheel of the human > mind in its own carnival -- as it tries to make sense of things! > > -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 Nisargadatta , " yacobyisrael " <yacobyisrael> wrote: > Dan, > Yes, the mark of the beast is a subject of great concern to many. > My father-in-law believes that it is any number issued by the GOV'T > especially the ss# and driver's license. He has " gotten rid " of > both and is on a perpetual soap box these days. So much for > peddling concepts. As for the Gospel of Thomas here is the > paragraph: > > Saying 64) Jesus said: A man had guests; and when he had prepared > the dinner, he sent his servants to invite the guests. He went to > the first, and said to him: My master invites you. He said: I have > money with some merchants; they are coming to me this evening. I > will go and give them my orders. I ask to be excused from the > dinner. He went to another (and) said to him: My master invites you. > He said to him: I have bought a house, and I am asked for a day. I > shall not have time. He went to another (and) said to him: My master > invites you. He said to him: My friend is about to be married, and I > am to arrange the dinner. I shall not be able to come. I ask to be > excused from dinner. He went to another, he said to him: My master > invites you. He said to him: I have bought a farm; I am going to > collect the rent. I shall not be able to come. I ask to be excused. > The servant came back (and) said to his master: Those whom you have > invited to dinner have asked to be excused. The master said to his > servant: Go out to the roads, bring those whom you find, that they > may dine. Traders and merchants [shall] not [enter] the places of my > Father. > > As you stated earlier, realization " now " is all that matters. I > just got a book called " Christ the Yogi " which looks like a good one. > > > Really enjoying the list (instead of working... ;-) > > Steve Hi Steve -- Enjoyed your comments. Sorry to hear about your father's difficulties. Religion seems to have a way of feeding into obsessing, fears, wanting to stay protected from something that's out to get you. Yes, that story you cited seems to be about the unpredictability of who is ready to receive, and that those who might seem rich, are too involved with their own richness to be open to what is new, which is now, what destroys the old. If you want to keep the old, there's no room for what is radical change, and simply now. And, at the same time, what is not a movement, what isn't anything novel, just what always is the case. I remember something in the Gospel of Thomas about that -- something along the lines of: " How will they recognize us? " " They will recognize you because your movement is stillness, and your stillness is your movement. " Paraphrasing here - you may know the exact quote. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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