Guest guest Posted November 22, 2003 Report Share Posted November 22, 2003 Hi everyone; I am new to the group and I am finding the question of who I am not doing anything for me. Can anyone give me a push in the right direction? I would appreciate it so much if someone could help me on this. Thanks, koohaj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2003 Report Share Posted November 22, 2003 Nisargadatta , " hakoohaj " <hakoohaj> wrote: > Hi everyone; > > I am new to the group and I am finding the question of who I am not > doing anything for me. Can anyone give me a push in the right > direction? I would appreciate it so much if someone could help me on > this. > > Thanks, > > koohaj no push here, just an angle, in times of stress or boredom or depression or excitement, the huge mass of feelings can be observed as 'not me' eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2003 Report Share Posted November 22, 2003 Nisargadatta , " hakoohaj " <hakoohaj> wrote: > Hi everyone; > > I am new to the group and I am finding the question of who I am not > doing anything for me. Can anyone give me a push in the right > direction? I would appreciate it so much if someone could help me on > this. > > Thanks, > > koohaj What exactly are you doing with that question? Thinking about it? Comtemplating the feeling of being? Repeating it like a mantra? Non of the above. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2003 Report Share Posted November 22, 2003 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " hakoohaj " <hakoohaj> wrote: > > Hi everyone; > > > > I am new to the group and I am finding the question of who I am not > > doing anything for me. Can anyone give me a push in the right > > direction? I would appreciate it so much if someone could help me on > > this. > > > > Thanks, > > > > koohaj > > What exactly are you doing with that question? Thinking about it? > Comtemplating the feeling of being? Repeating it like a mantra? > Non of the above. > > Pete And all the possible things you could do with that question Pete didn't mention won't be the right approach - even Pete can't give you any proof that he succeeded. Have a look there: http://www.sentient.org/amber0/index.htm Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2003 Report Share Posted November 22, 2003 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " hakoohaj " <hakoohaj> > wrote: > > > Hi everyone; > > > > > > I am new to the group and I am finding the question of who I am > not > > > doing anything for me. Can anyone give me a push in the right > > > direction? I would appreciate it so much if someone could help me > on > > > this. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > koohaj > > > > What exactly are you doing with that question? Thinking about it? > > Comtemplating the feeling of being? Repeating it like a mantra? > > Non of the above. > > > > Pete > > And all the possible things you could do with that question Pete > didn't mention won't be the right approach - even Pete can't give you > any proof that he succeeded. > > Have a look there: > > http://www.sentient.org/amber0/index.htm > > Werner Was he asking for proof Werner? A guy tells you he is lost and what do you give him? a site to read about people who were lost too and said they found their way? Were they in the same spot he is? Big help, eh? ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2003 Report Share Posted November 22, 2003 Nisargadatta , " eric paroissien " <vertvetiver@a...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " hakoohaj " <hakoohaj> wrote: > > Hi everyone; > > > > I am new to the group and I am finding the question of who I am not > > doing anything for me. Can anyone give me a push in the right > > direction? I would appreciate it so much if someone could help me on > > this. > > > > Thanks, > > > > koohaj > > no push here, just an angle, in times of stress or boredom or > depression or excitement, the huge mass of feelings can be observed > as 'not me' > eric I am sorry but I really am a newby. Forgive me for all the questions. What is this 'not me'?? How can my feelings not be mine?? Thanks, koohaj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2003 Report Share Posted November 22, 2003 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " hakoohaj " <hakoohaj> wrote: > > Hi everyone; > > > > I am new to the group and I am finding the question of who I am not > > doing anything for me. Can anyone give me a push in the right > > direction? I would appreciate it so much if someone could help me on > > this. > > > > Thanks, > > > > koohaj > > What exactly are you doing with that question? Thinking about it? > Comtemplating the feeling of being? Repeating it like a mantra? > Non of the above. > > Pete I am only asking the question. Shouldn't I ask it?? I don't understand. Could you please tell me what non of the above means?? Thanks, Koohaj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2003 Report Share Posted November 22, 2003 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " hakoohaj " <hakoohaj> > wrote: > > > Hi everyone; > > > > > > I am new to the group and I am finding the question of who I am > not > > > doing anything for me. Can anyone give me a push in the right > > > direction? I would appreciate it so much if someone could help me > on > > > this. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > koohaj > > > > What exactly are you doing with that question? Thinking about it? > > Comtemplating the feeling of being? Repeating it like a mantra? > > Non of the above. > > > > Pete > > And all the possible things you could do with that question Pete > didn't mention won't be the right approach - even Pete can't give you > any proof that he succeeded. > > Have a look there: > > http://www.sentient.org/amber0/index.htm > > Werner Phantastik shot this Amber text, young Werny! take this one as a present: " All the knowledge I possess everyone else can acquire, but my heart is all my own " -- GOETHE The Sorrows of Young Werner (1774) eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2003 Report Share Posted November 22, 2003 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > > wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " hakoohaj " <hakoohaj> > > wrote: > > > > Hi everyone; > > > > > > > > I am new to the group and I am finding the question of who I am > > not > > > > doing anything for me. Can anyone give me a push in the right > > > > direction? I would appreciate it so much if someone could help > me > > on > > > > this. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > koohaj > > > > > > What exactly are you doing with that question? Thinking about it? > > > Comtemplating the feeling of being? Repeating it like a mantra? > > > Non of the above. > > > > > > Pete > > > > And all the possible things you could do with that question Pete > > didn't mention won't be the right approach - even Pete can't give > you > > any proof that he succeeded. > > > > Have a look there: > > > > http://www.sentient.org/amber0/index.htm > > > > Werner > > Was he asking for proof Werner? A guy tells you he is lost and what > do you give him? a site to read about people who were lost too and > said they found their way? Were they in the same spot he is? Big > help, eh? ) yea Werner uh? big help! what do you say now hmm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2003 Report Share Posted November 22, 2003 Nisargadatta , " eric paroissien " <vertvetiver@a...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " hakoohaj " <hakoohaj> wrote: > > Hi everyone; > > > > I am new to the group and I am finding the question of who I am not > > doing anything for me. Can anyone give me a push in the right > > direction? I would appreciate it so much if someone could help me on > > this. > > > > Thanks, > > > > koohaj > > no push here, just an angle, in times of stress or boredom or > depression or excitement, the huge mass of feelings can be observed > as 'not me' > eric I am sorry but I really am a newby. Forgive me for all the questions. What is this 'not me'?? How can my feelings not be mine?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2003 Report Share Posted November 22, 2003 Ahaaa, fresh meat, bringing salivation to the inured. Greetings koohaj. Does the name koohaj, have a meaning? - hakoohaj Nisargadatta Sunday, November 23, 2003 12:33 AM Newby Hi everyone; I am new to the group and I am finding the question of who I am not doing anything for me. Can anyone give me a push in the right direction? I would appreciate it so much if someone could help me on this. Thanks, koohaj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2003 Report Share Posted November 22, 2003 Koohaj is the town my grandmother came from when she was young. Can you answer my question? I didn't mean to cause all of this fighting. I just thought someone here could help me. Nisargadatta , Sandeep <sandeepc@b...> wrote: > Ahaaa, fresh meat, bringing salivation to the inured. > > Greetings koohaj. > > Does the name koohaj, have a meaning? > > > - > hakoohaj > Nisargadatta > Sunday, November 23, 2003 12:33 AM > Newby > > > Hi everyone; > > I am new to the group and I am finding the question of who I am not > doing anything for me. Can anyone give me a push in the right > direction? I would appreciate it so much if someone could help me on > this. > > Thanks, > > koohaj > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 Beloved Hakoohaj! Myself is a Newby here at this group, what is one of the blessed ones. Because here honest searchers for spiritual truth still allow the freedom to share, to care for seekers with questions like us. Fom my experience the more advanced seekers grow up in age, the less questions they have: except one: Let me in die in peace - without interfering in my mind with yours! That is the main purpose of these spiritual seekers gathering in groups like this and many, many others. Here, the group is a blessed ones, as long the free flow of caring sharing remains untouched. Otherwise.... it will go down the drain in the political priests fishing for costumers. Now, getting older on the path in life, maybe children grow up like yourself, elder people meet again like youngster in the kindergarden and solve the ultimate secret beyond: what's about death? How to die? There came different gurus in the mind of devoted disciples. For example Christ, always a good example. Christ gave a splendid picture in the art to stay centered in one of the most tortures death penality: on the cross. OK, sweet Jesus in sweat, blood and tears, lost contenance for a while and shouted deeply in despair: ''Father, father in heavens why have you forsaken meeeeeeeeeeeeeee?'' But that cry of despair was only a soft movement in mind. Moment later Jesus relaxed again, smiled at the crying women down to his feet under the cross to consolate her pain of see HIM suffering. The almighty son of God Father in Heavens! Other disciples root their trust for example in Ramana, a very prominent teacher for hungry, greedy seekers for the spiritual advancement to die in peace. Ramana suffered from serious sickness, cancer, tortured totally on a Holy Hill in South India, Aranchula, where he lived for decades, and his death has been decades ago, without pills or morphium to release HIS pain in the death process, Ramana still smiled at his disciples in despair, loosing their guiding light. Or do you remember Socrates? If Xanthippe ( http://www.n0by.de/2/rst/xanthipp.htm ) could not kill this man, pesting priests and politicians around him could! Even Socrates got a generous offer: 1. be silent in Athens 2. leave Athens, when you can't stop torture us with your sermons or 3. DIE! Socrates decided for the third alternative. He swolled the poison, starting to kill his body from the feet on upwards, till death reached his heart. Socrates died preaching his disciples. Now, getting older, people like us look for device: how to die? To die like these Heros? Don't you remember young boys reading all the Red Indian adventures? Chasing each other on the path of war? And when an enemy was captures, he slowly was tortured into death. And paradise was only open for the heroes, who achieved the art of dieing without blinking an eye. Is that the secret, people are asking for via e-mail connection? You could get a better device from my friends, specialized in those question. But what answer can be given, when you not even have shown a picture of your face? What answer can written, when we not have shared a bottle of beer together? Do you expect a deeper answer than your search deepens in your life? Do you think this search for the right way to heaven, untouched of anything, is a Sunday afternoon tea party of chatting bored husbands or wifes? yours n0by with love ;-) n0by/ http://n0by.de - hakoohaj Nisargadatta Sunday, November 23, 2003 1:32 AM Re: Newby ...............snip.............. I am sorry but I really am a newby. Forgive me for all the questions. What is this 'not me'?? How can my feelings not be mine?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 Nisargadatta , " hakoohaj " <hakoohaj> wrote: > Hi everyone; > > I am new to the group and I am finding the question of who I am not > doing anything for me. Can anyone give me a push in the right > direction? I would appreciate it so much if someone could help me on > this. > > Thanks, > > koohaj dear koohaj, please post your request at these clubs <RamanaMaharshi/> <atma_vichara/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Era " <satkarta7@j...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " hakoohaj " <hakoohaj> wrote: > > Hi everyone; > > > > I am new to the group and I am finding the question of who I am not > > doing anything for me. Can anyone give me a push in the right > > direction? I would appreciate it so much if someone could help me on > > this. > > > > Thanks, > > > > koohaj > > > dear koohaj, > > please post your request at these clubs > > <RamanaMaharshi/> > > <atma_vichara/> nice advice Era, i'll go and check too, ... Nisargadatta addresses the issue of " who i am " very beautifully there is a passage where he speaks about " standing naked in the rain.. " or something, the courage of confronting each moment as we are, unconditionally... anybody has the quote? (i'll scan the " i am that " when i receive it to browse it on a simple text file) eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 > > > Hi everyone; > > > > > > I am new to the group and I am finding the question of who I am > not > > > doing anything for me. Can anyone give me a push in the right > > > direction? I would appreciate it so much if someone could help me > on > > > this. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > koohaj > > > > > > dear koohaj, > > > > please post your request at these clubs > > > > <RamanaMaharshi/> > > > > <atma_vichara/> > > nice advice Era, i'll go and check too, ... > Nisargadatta addresses the issue of " who i am " very beautifully > there is a passage where he speaks about " standing naked in the > rain.. " or something, the courage of confronting each moment as we > are, unconditionally... > anybody has the quote? > (i'll scan the " i am that " when i receive it to browse it on a simple > text file) > eric thanks my man eric from erica are you in gay Paree? I heard you like to sip an espresso in a coffee house in Vienna with Francz Kafka I would prefer to go to a pot-luck party of Gertrude Stein in Paris, where James Joyce. Hemingway and Picasso were all outsiders and give my home-grown refer to Aiice B. Toklas for her cold gaspacho soup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Era " <satkarta7@j...> wrote: > > > > Hi everyone; > > > > > > > > I am new to the group and I am finding the question of who I am > > not > > > > doing anything for me. Can anyone give me a push in the right > > > > direction? I would appreciate it so much if someone could help me > > on > > > > this. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > koohaj > > > > > > > > > dear koohaj, > > > > > > please post your request at these clubs > > > > > > <RamanaMaharshi/> > > > > > > <atma_vichara/> > > > > nice advice Era, i'll go and check too, ... > > Nisargadatta addresses the issue of " who i am " very beautifully > > there is a passage where he speaks about " standing naked in the > > rain.. " or something, the courage of confronting each moment as we > > are, unconditionally... > > anybody has the quote? > > (i'll scan the " i am that " when i receive it to browse it on a simple > > text file) > > eric > > > thanks my man eric from erica > > are you in gay Paree? > > I heard you like to sip an espresso in > a coffee house in Vienna with Francz > Kafka > > I would prefer to go to a pot-luck party > of Gertrude Stein in Paris, where James > Joyce. Hemingway and Picasso were all outsiders and give my home- grown refer > to Aiice B. Toklas for her cold gaspacho > soup oh i see all the worlds communicate; done with the illusion of walls! eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 Nisargadatta , " hakoohaj " <hakoohaj> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " hakoohaj " <hakoohaj> wrote: > > > Hi everyone; > > > > > > I am new to the group and I am finding the question of who I am not > > > doing anything for me. Can anyone give me a push in the right > > > direction? I would appreciate it so much if someone could help me on > > > this. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > koohaj > > > > What exactly are you doing with that question? Thinking about it? > > Comtemplating the feeling of being? Repeating it like a mantra? > > Non of the above. > > > > Pete > > I am only asking the question. Shouldn't I ask it?? I don't > understand. Could you please tell me what non of the above means?? > > Thanks, > > Koohaj Hi Koohaj, None of the above (I left the 'e' out before) means: are you doing something else than what I asked? Anyway, besides asking who you are, or instead of asking that, since it seems you are not getting an answer. Although, we don't know how long you been asking that question, do this. Do it as a favor to me, not because you are going to get any results. Sit down comfortably and check if you are feeling any pain anywhere. The answer probably is going to be no. You are not feeling any pain. Then feel how feeling no pain feels. Stay with that felling of feeling no pain for a few moments. Whatever you are feeling at the time, being pain, no pain, something else, feel that for as long as you can stay with it. It might be only seconds, or minutes, it doesn't matter. Do that every time you have nothing else to do, and you remember. That feeling of 'what you are feeling at the moment' is what you are at that moment. Later on something else might be revealed there, but that is another story. Best wishes to you, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 Nisargadatta , " hakoohaj " <hakoohaj> wrote: > Koohaj is the town my grandmother came from when she was young. Can > you answer my question? I didn't mean to cause all of this fighting. I > just thought someone here could help me. > your fat instinct seems to profit from the turmoil a lot if you are unable to acknowledge the patient and kind answers that came your way plenty!? brother... eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 Nisargadatta , " hakoohaj " <hakoohaj> wrote: > Hi everyone; > > I am new to the group and I am finding the question of who I am not > doing anything for me. Can anyone give me a push in the right > direction? I would appreciate it so much if someone could help me on > this. > > Thanks, > > koohaj >>A 'Newby' with questions is always welcome;an enquery such as yours can provide an opportunity for us to reexam our own understandings that we may have. Not to worry about the differant suggestions you will have received, as you can see there are many ways to look at your question, any may help, but you will find the answer within yourself at some point; probably at several points as understanding increases. A begining point to find Who Am I may be to look at what within you brought you to this quest. You are that. Nameste: John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 Hi Koohaj, The asking of 'Who Am I' is a tool that can be used to interrupt the continuous stream of thought and create a gap for a moment in the thinking process....not a question to be answered. p.s. you are not the cause of any fighting going on here....it's just a part of the circus show that arises in this group from time to time. : ) Come on Sandeep, throw the guy a bone! - " hakoohaj " <hakoohaj <Nisargadatta > Saturday, November 22, 2003 9:19 PM Re: Newby > Koohaj is the town my grandmother came from when she was young. Can > you answer my question? I didn't mean to cause all of this fighting. I > just thought someone here could help me. > > > Nisargadatta , Sandeep <sandeepc@b...> wrote: > > Ahaaa, fresh meat, bringing salivation to the inured. > > > > Greetings koohaj. > > > > Does the name koohaj, have a meaning? > > > > > > - > > hakoohaj > > Nisargadatta > > Sunday, November 23, 2003 12:33 AM > > Newby > > > > > > Hi everyone; > > > > I am new to the group and I am finding the question of who I am not > > doing anything for me. Can anyone give me a push in the right > > direction? I would appreciate it so much if someone could help me on > > this. > > > > Thanks, > > > > koohaj > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 Nisargadatta , " hakoohaj " <hakoohaj> wrote: > Hi everyone; > > I am new to the group and I am finding the question of who I am not > doing anything for me. Can anyone give me a push in the right > direction? I would appreciate it so much if someone could help me on > this. > > Thanks, > > koohaj What if the right direction involves the undermining of all assumptions that something is going to do something for you, and that you can know when you're going in the right direction? -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 Nisargadatta , " hakoohaj " <hakoohaj> wrote: > Koohaj is the town my grandmother came from when she was young. Can > you answer my question? I didn't mean to cause all of this fighting. I > just thought someone here could help me. You mean none of this has helped up to now? All these kind grandmothers, and you got nothing out of it? Okay -- try asking this: " Where am I as I am trying to ask, 'Who am I?' -- and getting nothing from that? " And: What am I observing that is telling me that I am not getting anything from it? And: what is the relationship between the one that is observing, and the one that is being observed to be getting nothing out of it? -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 - hakoohaj Nisargadatta Sunday, November 23, 2003 10:49 AM Re: Newby Koohaj is the town my grandmother came from when she was young. ---- And which country is that? ----- Can you answer my question? ----- If you conclude that something is doing nothing for you, it suggest that you clearly know what is supposed to get done. Otherwise how can you conclude, as so. So what, as per you,... is supposed to get done? ----- I didn't mean to cause all of this fighting. ---- You did? Just jockeyings arising with the pheromones of fresh meat. ------- I just thought someone here could help me. --- Who did? Nisargadatta , Sandeep <sandeepc@b...> wrote: > Ahaaa, fresh meat, bringing salivation to the inured. > > Greetings koohaj. > > Does the name koohaj, have a meaning? > > > - > hakoohaj > Nisargadatta > Sunday, November 23, 2003 12:33 AM > Newby > > > Hi everyone; > > I am new to the group and I am finding the question of who I am not > doing anything for me. Can anyone give me a push in the right > direction? I would appreciate it so much if someone could help me on > this. > > Thanks, > > koohaj > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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