Guest guest Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 Nisargadatta , " eric paroissien " <vertvetiver@a...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > Oh no, Jess -- we've resorted to throwing quotes at each other, now, > > have we? > > > > There are probably five million quotes you can come up with > > promoting some kind of absolute permanent state, many > > of them derived from Hindu thought, like the quote > > below. > > > > If you look harder though, you can find at least a whole lot > > that say there is no permanent state, and which look into > > the kind of grasping involved in claiming or going after > > one. In fact, this is the raison d'etre for Gautama's > > (at that time and place) revolutionary way of teaching. > > > > But, obviously, there is no permanence in a quote. > > > > One day, not only will the individual who made that claim > > for himself or herself be dead, but the entire culture > > that supported that language and thought will be gone, > > that planet will be defunct, and that solar system no > > more. > > > > So, rather than throwing quotes about permanent samadhis > > or satoris, I'd > > much rather hear from you, Jessica, what it's like > > for you to be there. > > > > Clearly a second-hand report is very unreliable, and certainly > > is also a transient phenomenon. > > > > -- Dan > > and her quote doesn't state permanent samadhi, i insist, read below It doesn't use those words, but it alludes to the desirability of permanence, and an identity as the changeless absolute. It states things like establishing yourself in your own absolute, without change or decay. There's no need to try to get rid of change and decay. That's why all this religiosity and its spokespeople reaches its limit. Change and decay are the movement of experiencing. There is no " what " that doesn't change, no " Great IAM " that doesn't change. Those are just human ideas, elevated by religion to a special status. The one who is trying to grasp an immortal experience has no basis for grasping anything. It is the attempt to grasp, and that's all it's ever been. When that attempt to grasp is understood as not comprising any kind of permanent self, it is clear that such a self isn't there to hold onto the promised experience of permanent being, bliss, and so on. This clarity of understanding doesn't need or require permanence, nor to establish itself in something, nor to worry about what will be after the body decays. This clarity isn't scared of impermanence, nor seeking after permance, nor trying to hold onto an absolute. There is no before or after now. There is no separable self to seek after a samadhi state now. There never has been a separable being going through states ever. All the religions, practices and spokespeople attempting to bring people to an experience of the absolute are now out of a job. They may have to find some kind of legitimate occupation. Like selling Rolex watches to tourists in NYC for twenty-five dollars. -- Dan > > Nisargadatta , " Jessica White " <ellam- > > ondre@c...> wrote: > > > Hi Steve, > > > > > > permanent samadhi/sahaja samadhi is the state of consciousness of > > the > > > Sage.... > > > > > > Confession of the Jnani > > > by Robert Adams > > > > > > For the Jnani who has realized the identity > > > of his inner being > > > with the Infinite Brahman, > > > there is no rebirth, no migration and no liberation. > > > He is beyond all this. > > > He is firmly established in his own Absolute, > > > Existence-Knowledge-Bliss true nature. > > > > > > The further ewxistence of his body and the world > > > appears to the Jnani as an illusion > > > which he cannot remove, > > > but which no longer deceives him. > > > > > > After the death of this body, as in life, > > > he remains where and what he eternally is, > > > the first principle of all beings and things: > > > formless, nameless, unsoiled, timeless, dimensionless > > > and utterly free. > > > > > > Death cannot touch him, cravings cannot torture him; he is free > > from all > > > desire and suffering. > > > He sees the Infinite Self in all, and all in the Infinite Self, > > > which is his Being. > > > > > > The Jnani confesses his experience thus: > > > > > > I am infinite, imperishable, self-luminous, self- existent. > > > I am without beginning or end. > > > I am birthless, deathless, without change or decay. > > > I pemeate and interpenetrate all things. > > > In the myriad universes of thought and creation, > > > > > > I ALONE AM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 It never ceases to amaze or amuse me, how you can take the words Niz and the likes and put your own spin on them as if that's somehow better. Peace dude and enjoy your never-ending waxing on. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > > It doesn't use those words, but it alludes to the desirability of > permanence, and an identity as the changeless absolute. > > It states things like establishing yourself in your own absolute, > without change or decay. > > There's no need to try to get rid of change and decay. > > That's why all this religiosity and its spokespeople reaches its > limit. > > Change and decay are the movement of experiencing. > > There is no " what " that doesn't change, no " Great IAM " that > doesn't change. > > Those are just human ideas, elevated by religion to a special > status. > > The one who is trying to grasp an immortal experience has no > basis for grasping anything. It is the attempt to grasp, > and that's all it's ever been. > > When that attempt to grasp is understood as not comprising > any kind of permanent self, it is clear that such a self > isn't there to hold onto the promised experience of > permanent being, bliss, and so on. > > This clarity of understanding doesn't need or require permanence, > nor to establish itself in something, nor to worry about what > will be after the body decays. > > This clarity isn't scared of impermanence, nor seeking > after permance, nor trying to hold onto an absolute. > > There is no before or after now. > > There is no separable self to seek after a samadhi state now. > > There never has been a separable being going through states > ever. > > All the religions, practices and spokespeople attempting to > bring people to an experience of the absolute are now > out of a job. > > They may have to find some kind of legitimate occupation. > > Like selling Rolex watches to tourists in NYC for twenty-five > dollars. > > > -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " eric paroissien " > <vertvetiver@a...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > wrote: > > > Oh no, Jess -- we've resorted to throwing quotes at each other, > now, > > > have we? > > > > > > There are probably five million quotes you can come up with > > > promoting some kind of absolute permanent state, many > > > of them derived from Hindu thought, like the quote > > > below. > > > > > > If you look harder though, you can find at least a whole lot > > > that say there is no permanent state, and which look into > > > the kind of grasping involved in claiming or going after > > > one. In fact, this is the raison d'etre for Gautama's > > > (at that time and place) revolutionary way of teaching. > > > > > > But, obviously, there is no permanence in a quote. > > > > > > One day, not only will the individual who made that claim > > > for himself or herself be dead, but the entire culture > > > that supported that language and thought will be gone, > > > that planet will be defunct, and that solar system no > > > more. > > > > > > So, rather than throwing quotes about permanent samadhis > > > or satoris, I'd > > > much rather hear from you, Jessica, what it's like > > > for you to be there. > > > > > > Clearly a second-hand report is very unreliable, and certainly > > > is also a transient phenomenon. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > and her quote doesn't state permanent samadhi, i insist, read below > > It doesn't use those words, but it alludes to the desirability of > permanence, and an identity as the changeless absolute. > > It states things like establishing yourself in your own absolute, > without change or decay. > > There's no need to try to get rid of change and decay. > > That's why all this religiosity and its spokespeople reaches its > limit. > > Change and decay are the movement of experiencing. > > There is no " what " that doesn't change, no " Great IAM " that > doesn't change. > > Those are just human ideas, elevated by religion to a special > status. > > The one who is trying to grasp an immortal experience has no > basis for grasping anything. It is the attempt to grasp, > and that's all it's ever been. > > When that attempt to grasp is understood as not comprising > any kind of permanent self, it is clear that such a self > isn't there to hold onto the promised experience of > permanent being, bliss, and so on. > > This clarity of understanding doesn't need or require permanence, > nor to establish itself in something, nor to worry about what > will be after the body decays. > > This clarity isn't scared of impermanence, nor seeking > after permance, nor trying to hold onto an absolute. > > There is no before or after now. > > There is no separable self to seek after a samadhi state now. > > There never has been a separable being going through states > ever. > > All the religions, practices and spokespeople attempting to > bring people to an experience of the absolute are now > out of a job. > > They may have to find some kind of legitimate occupation. > > Like selling Rolex watches to tourists in NYC for twenty-five > dollars. > > > -- Dan last year this time i was still living on 105th street west Broadway, " i love the stink of it " eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > There is no separable self to seek after a samadhi state now. > > There never has been a separable being going through states > ever. > ******* Yep, what a joke! Masturbation only. > All the religions, practices and spokespeople attempting to > bring people to an experience of the absolute are now > out of a job. > They may have to find some kind of legitimate occupation. > > Like selling Rolex watches to tourists in NYC for twenty-five > dollars. >> > > > *********** Yep, these bastards are what I call " enablers " , and they ought to be shot for the subtle trips that they're laying on people. And you're right on Dan, these guys are nothing but cheap and tacky. Tacky, tacky, takcy. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Nisargadatta , " judirhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > > > > There is no separable self to seek after a samadhi state now. > > > > There never has been a separable being going through states > > ever. > > > ******* Yep, what a joke! Masturbation only. > > *********** There is no state, there is no experience, no enjoyment that I can point to that is outside of what is, in the right here and now. In other words, there is no " me " that is standing apart or split off in " space " somewhere to view or to even witness. There is only what is. And I am that. It's altogether, it's wholeness. It is " no seeking. " It is just being with/as what is already here, with whatever is??? It doesn't seem to matter. It makes no difference what the " whatever " is. There is no outside there is no inside, there is no looking. There is WHAT IS! Period, period, period! This ain't rocket science folks! :-) Sheesh! Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Nisargadatta , " judirhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " judirhodes " <judirhodes@z...> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > wrote: > > > > > > > There is no separable self to seek after a samadhi state now. > > > > > > There never has been a separable being going through states > > > ever. > > > > > ******* Yep, what a joke! Masturbation only. > > > > > *********** > There is no state, there is no experience, no enjoyment that I can > point to that is outside of what is, in the right here and now. In > other words, there is no " me " that is standing apart or split off > in " space " somewhere to view or to even witness. There is only what > is. And I am that. It's altogether, it's wholeness. It is " no > seeking. " It is just being with/as what is already here, with > whatever is??? It doesn't seem to matter. It makes no difference what > the " whatever " is. There is no outside there is no inside, there is > no looking. There is WHAT IS! Period, period, period! > > This ain't rocket science folks! :-) > > Sheesh! > > Judi ************* It comes down to a matter of intelligence, of need. Of seeing thru your own game so that it all falls apart. I guess it just comes down to going around the block so many times until a person says to themselves, now wait just a darn minute here, what am I doing? So you keep going around the block and everytime you pass by I'll be sitting here waiting for you with a glass of scotch. And round and round they go! Sheesh! Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Nisargadatta , " judirhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > > > > There is no separable self to seek after a samadhi state now. > > > > There never has been a separable being going through states > > ever. > > > ******* Yep, what a joke! Masturbation only. > > > > > All the religions, practices and spokespeople attempting to > > bring people to an experience of the absolute are now > > out of a job. > > > They may have to find some kind of legitimate occupation. > > > > Like selling Rolex watches to tourists in NYC for twenty-five > > dollars. > >> > > > > > *********** Yep, these bastards are what I call " enablers " , and they > ought to be shot for the subtle trips that they're laying on people. > And you're right on Dan, these guys are nothing but cheap and tacky. > > Tacky, tacky, takcy. > > Judi ********* But of course, a person has to be cheap and tacky themselves to buy into that crap! Like attracts like! :-) Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Nisargadatta , " judirhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " judirhodes " <judirhodes@z...> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > wrote: > > > > > > > There is no separable self to seek after a samadhi state now. > > > > > > There never has been a separable being going through states > > > ever. > > > > > ******* Yep, what a joke! Masturbation only. > > > > > > > > > All the religions, practices and spokespeople attempting to > > > bring people to an experience of the absolute are now > > > out of a job. > > > > > They may have to find some kind of legitimate occupation. > > > > > > Like selling Rolex watches to tourists in NYC for twenty-five > > > dollars. > > >> > > > > > > > *********** Yep, these bastards are what I call " enablers " , and > they > > ought to be shot for the subtle trips that they're laying on people. > > And you're right on Dan, these guys are nothing but cheap and tacky. > > > > Tacky, tacky, takcy. > > > > Judi > > ********* But of course, a person has to be cheap and tacky > themselves to buy into that crap! Like attracts like! :-) > > Judi *********** Or like Sandeep puts it, the reason there are phony gurus is so the phony seekers have a place to go! :-) It couldn't be funnier! Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Jessica White " <ellam- ondre@c...> wrote: > It never ceases to amaze or amuse me, how you can take the words Niz and the > likes and put your own spin on them as if that's somehow better. > > ******* And sheep never cease to amaze me, they're so stupid, they follow each other right off a cliff, they never bother to look at what they're doing themselves. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Nisargadatta , " judirhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " Jessica White " <ellam- > ondre@c...> wrote: > > It never ceases to amaze or amuse me, how you can take the words > Niz and the > > likes and put your own spin on them as if that's somehow better. > > > > > ******* And sheep never cease to amaze me, they're so stupid, they > follow each other right off a cliff, they never bother to look at > what they're doing themselves. > > Judi ********** And some of them are beyond stupid, they're just plain ugly. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Isn't it real funny? When you quote someone, you even know to write more but three words? yours n0by with love http://n0by.de n0by/ > > *********** > Or like Sandeep puts it, the reason there are phony gurus is so the > phony seekers have a place to go! :-) It couldn't be funnier! > > Judi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Nisargadatta , " n0by " <n0by@n...> wrote: > Isn't it real funny? When you quote someone, you even know to write more > but three words? > > yours > > n0by > > with love > ****** Go fuck yourself you stupid little twit! :-) Judi > > http://n0by.de > > n0by/ > > > > > > *********** > > Or like Sandeep puts it, the reason there are phony gurus is so the > > phony seekers have a place to go! :-) It couldn't be funnier! > > > > Judi > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 > last year this time i was still living on 105th street west > Broadway, " i love the stink of it " > eric No kidding? How about all the taxis honking? See any good Broadway shows? -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > last year this time i was still living on 105th street west > > Broadway, " i love the stink of it " > > eric > > No kidding? > > How about all the taxis honking? > > See any good Broadway shows? > > -- Dan more like whitman, hours of drifting and snuffing the crowds (and also visiting apartments for a real estate company, that was fun i met some characters) erix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 actually Judi, it was Robert, who said that false seekers find false gurus.... you know the one who you referred to.. ..*********** Yep, these bastards are what I call " enablers " , and they ought to be shot for the subtle trips that they're laying on people. And you're right on Dan, these guys are nothing but cheap and tacky. Tacky, tacky, takcy. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Jessica White " <ellam- ondre@c...> wrote: > actually Judi, it was Robert, who said that false seekers find false > gurus.... you know the one who you referred to.. > ******* So what, the point is Robert was selling a bill of goods that obviously you, in your own " tackiness " , bought into! Tacky, tacky! Judi > > .*********** Yep, these bastards are what I call " enablers " , and they > ought to be shot for the subtle trips that they're laying on people. > And you're right on Dan, these guys are nothing but cheap and tacky. > > Tacky, tacky, takcy. > > Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Nisargadatta , " judirhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " Jessica White " <ellam- > ondre@c...> wrote: > > actually Judi, it was Robert, who said that false seekers find false > > gurus.... you know the one who you referred to.. > > > > ******* So what, the point is Robert was selling a bill of goods that > obviously you, in your own " tackiness " , bought into! Tacky, tacky! > > Judi As soon as you buy into " Robert is somebody who's got this think I want, " you've just disgraced him in the most terrible way. And if he were worth his weight in salt, he'd tell you the same thing. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 you know i find it quite amusing...all of you mind readers telling me/assuming where i am coming from. - " josesiem " <josesiem <Nisargadatta > Tuesday, November 25, 2003 10:14 AM Re: Samadhi of Jessica / Eric > Nisargadatta , " judirhodes " <judirhodes@z...> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Jessica White " <ellam- > > ondre@c...> wrote: > > > actually Judi, it was Robert, who said that false seekers find > false > > > gurus.... you know the one who you referred to.. > > > > > > > ******* So what, the point is Robert was selling a bill of goods > that > > obviously you, in your own " tackiness " , bought into! Tacky, > tacky! > > > > Judi > > As soon as you buy into " Robert is somebody who's got this think I > want, " you've just disgraced him in the most terrible way. And if he > were worth his weight in salt, he'd tell you the same thing. > > Joe > > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " judirhodes " <judirhodes@z...> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Jessica White " <ellam- > > ondre@c...> wrote: > > > actually Judi, it was Robert, who said that false seekers find > false > > > gurus.... you know the one who you referred to.. > > > > > > > ******* So what, the point is Robert was selling a bill of goods > that > > obviously you, in your own " tackiness " , bought into! Tacky, > tacky! > > > > Judi > > As soon as you buy into " Robert is somebody who's got this think I > want, " you've just disgraced him in the most terrible way. And if he > were worth his weight in salt, he'd tell you the same thing. > > Joe Like when Steven Harrison says, " I honor Ramana by having nothing to do with him. " Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Jessica White " <ellam- ondre@c...> wrote: > you know i find it quite amusing...all of you mind readers telling > me/assuming where i am coming from. Jessica, That was directed at anyone who is trying to get something from their guru. It wasn't directed personally at you; more like playing off of Judi's post. I know nothing about you nor assume anything about you. Joe > > > > As soon as you buy into " Robert is somebody who's got this think I > > want, " you've just disgraced him in the most terrible way. And if he > > were worth his weight in salt, he'd tell you the same thing. > > > > Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " judirhodes " <judirhodes@z...> > > wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " Jessica White " <ellam- > > > ondre@c...> wrote: > > > > actually Judi, it was Robert, who said that false seekers find > > false > > > > gurus.... you know the one who you referred to.. > > > > > > > > > > ******* So what, the point is Robert was selling a bill of goods > > that > > > obviously you, in your own " tackiness " , bought into! Tacky, > > tacky! > > > > > > Judi > > > > As soon as you buy into " Robert is somebody who's got this think I > > want, " you've just disgraced him in the most terrible way. And if > he > > were worth his weight in salt, he'd tell you the same thing. > > > > Joe > > Like when Steven Harrison says, " I honor Ramana by having nothing to > do with him. " > > Joe out of context like this, it would look like, " i have nothing to do with him and leave me alone with your honoring him " eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Jessica White " <ellam- ondre@c...> wrote: > you know i find it quite amusing...all of you mind readers telling > me/assuming where i am coming from. > > let me guess... Atlanta - Georgia on my mind :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Wrong! I'm in a New York state of mind ~ BTW, what in the hell were you saying earlier? about spanking me? No speaka da English dude???? - " eric paroissien " <vertvetiver <Nisargadatta > Tuesday, November 25, 2003 10:58 AM Re: Samadhi of Jessica / Eric > Nisargadatta , " Jessica White " <ellam- > ondre@c...> wrote: > > you know i find it quite amusing...all of you mind readers telling > > me/assuming where i am coming from. > > > > > > let me guess... > Atlanta - Georgia on my mind > :-) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Jessica White " <ellam- ondre@c...> wrote: > Wrong! > > I'm in a New York state of mind ~ > > BTW, what in the hell were you saying earlier? about spanking me? > No speaka da English dude???? > what do you mean? spanking, i meant spanking your butt!? what's wrong with that, in france it is a very common way of socializing between men and women...we exchange spanks before a coffe and a snack nthe afternoon, even among colleagues... :-) erix ps: you 'are' from Atlanta right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Jessica White " <ellam- ondre@c...> wrote: > Wrong! > > I'm in a New York state of mind ~ > > BTW, what in the hell were you saying earlier? about spanking me? > No speaka da English dude???? ****** How about a .357 to the back of the head? That should " fix " you. Judi > > - > > " eric paroissien " <vertvetiver@a...> > <Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, November 25, 2003 10:58 AM > Re: Samadhi of Jessica / Eric > > > > Nisargadatta , " Jessica White " <ellam- > > ondre@c...> wrote: > > > you know i find it quite amusing...all of you mind readers telling > > > me/assuming where i am coming from. > > > > > > > > > > let me guess... > > Atlanta - Georgia on my mind > > :-) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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