Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Hello All, Thanks for the posts. There is just one question I have after reading the responses. It has been said that NOW has no beginning or end (kinda like the Melchezidek Priesthood of the New Testement). So to understand what has been said that there is no permanent state, is this to mean that NOW is not, or should not be looked at as a state to be attained? If I understand you correctly Dan, NOW is the only reality so our " attaining " it is irrelevant because the " me " who wants to attain it is fictional anyway? Boy I hope this makes sense. BTW Jess I did enjoy your Adams post. I have not learned anything about this man but I did enjoy the post. It really made me think of " The order of Melchezidek " spoken of in the New Testement. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Nisargadatta , " yacobyisrael " <yacobyisrael> wrote: > Hello All, > Thanks for the posts. There is just one question I have after > reading the responses. It has been said that NOW has no beginning or > end (kinda like the Melchezidek Priesthood of the New Testement). So > to understand what has been said that there is no permanent state, is > this to mean that NOW is not, or should not be looked at as a state > to be attained? If I understand you correctly Dan, NOW is the only > reality so our " attaining " it is irrelevant because the " me " who > wants to attain it is fictional anyway? Boy I hope this makes sense. > BTW Jess I did enjoy your Adams post. I have not learned anything > about this man but I did enjoy the post. It really made me think > of " The order of Melchezidek " spoken of in the New Testement. > > Steve Hi Steve, I think you got it -- you cannot attain Now. " Now " is just a word, a thought which represents 'what is right now' which is obviously always the case. You cannot have what is right now. You can think about it if you want, though. :-) One thing I like to do is sense the texture of the moment now -- listening intently to the sounds, the temperature of the air on my skin, looking at all the shapes and colors around, and watching the thoughts arising and disappearing. This may seem like you're coming into the now, but really what is happening is you're just using the attention to observe what's in front of you. You can't " be in the now " or " return to the now " as this (your direct experience) is always now. The attention can be focused on what is at hand, right now, or the attention may be wrapped up in thinking about this or that. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " yacobyisrael " > <yacobyisrael> wrote: > > Hello All, > > Thanks for the posts. There is just one question I have after > > reading the responses. It has been said that NOW has no beginning > or > > end (kinda like the Melchezidek Priesthood of the New Testement). > So > > to understand what has been said that there is no permanent state, > is > > this to mean that NOW is not, or should not be looked at as a state > > to be attained? If I understand you correctly Dan, NOW is the only > > reality so our " attaining " it is irrelevant because the " me " who > > wants to attain it is fictional anyway? Boy I hope this makes > sense. > > BTW Jess I did enjoy your Adams post. I have not learned anything > > about this man but I did enjoy the post. It really made me think > > of " The order of Melchezidek " spoken of in the New Testement. > > > > Steve > > Hi Steve, > > I think you got it -- you cannot attain Now. " Now " is just a word, a > thought which represents 'what is right now' which is obviously > always the case. You cannot have what is right now. You can think > about it if you want, though. :-) > > One thing I like to do is sense the texture of the moment now -- > listening intently to the sounds, the temperature of the air on my > skin, looking at all the shapes and colors around, and watching the > thoughts arising and disappearing. > > This may seem like you're coming into the now, but really what is > happening is you're just using the attention to observe what's in > front of you. > > You can't " be in the now " or " return to the now " as this (your direct > experience) is always now. The attention can be focused on what is at > hand, right now, or the attention may be wrapped up in thinking about > this or that. > > Joe What do you mean Joseph Siemon from San Diego " Steve you got it " ?? are you giving him the dubbing of knighthood or has he got a step closer to truth? do we approve of each other's truth here? no he don't got it, i, for one, don't give him the diploma, and not to you and not to myself;.. let's be a little more demanding here please ;-) eixrc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 - " yacobyisrael " <yacobyisrael <Nisargadatta > Tuesday, November 25, 2003 06:50 PM The permanence of Now > Hello All, > Thanks for the posts. There is just one question I have after > reading the responses. Only one?:-) It has been said that NOW has no beginning or > end (kinda like the Melchezidek Priesthood of the New Testement). So > to understand what has been said that there is no permanent state, is > this to mean that NOW is not, or should not be looked at as a state > to be attained? You can look at it in whatever manner you want to. However the conceptualization of " now " ,........is not the now. To attain anything , the " attainer " has to be apart from the " attained " , is it not? Who or what is not the now, .........which can attain the now? > If I understand you correctly Dan, NOW is the only > reality so our " attaining " it is irrelevant because the " me " who > wants to attain it is fictional anyway? NOW is the only reality,..... ... and in the very stating as so,..............all that has happened, is conceptualizing. It's like a dreamed-up character of your last-night sleep dream, affirms the reality of the Dreamer. The affirmation is essentially dream-stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Nisargadatta , " eric paroissien " <vertvetiver@a...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " yacobyisrael " > > <yacobyisrael> wrote: > > > Hello All, > > > Thanks for the posts. There is just one question I have after > > > reading the responses. It has been said that NOW has no > beginning > > or > > > end (kinda like the Melchezidek Priesthood of the New > Testement). > > So > > > to understand what has been said that there is no permanent > state, > > is > > > this to mean that NOW is not, or should not be looked at as a > state > > > to be attained? If I understand you correctly Dan, NOW is the > only > > > reality so our " attaining " it is irrelevant because the " me " who > > > wants to attain it is fictional anyway? Boy I hope this makes > > sense. > > > BTW Jess I did enjoy your Adams post. I have not learned > anything > > > about this man but I did enjoy the post. It really made me think > > > of " The order of Melchezidek " spoken of in the New Testement. > > > > > > Steve > > > > Hi Steve, > > > > I think you got it -- you cannot attain Now. " Now " is just a word, > a > > thought which represents 'what is right now' which is obviously > > always the case. You cannot have what is right now. You can think > > about it if you want, though. :-) > > > > One thing I like to do is sense the texture of the moment now -- > > listening intently to the sounds, the temperature of the air on my > > skin, looking at all the shapes and colors around, and watching the > > thoughts arising and disappearing. > > > > This may seem like you're coming into the now, but really what is > > happening is you're just using the attention to observe what's in > > front of you. > > > > You can't " be in the now " or " return to the now " as this (your > direct > > experience) is always now. The attention can be focused on what is > at > > hand, right now, or the attention may be wrapped up in thinking > about > > this or that. > > > > Joe > > What do you mean Joseph Siemon from San Diego " Steve you got it " ?? > are you giving him the dubbing of knighthood or has he got a step > closer to truth? > do we approve of each other's truth here? > no he don't got it, i, for one, don't give him the diploma, and not > to you and not to myself;.. > let's be a little more demanding here please ;-) > eixrc Yeah, I'm giving Enlightenment Diplomas to everyone! Come and get em while their hot! Joseph Siemion from San Pendejo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: snip > > Yeah, I'm giving Enlightenment Diplomas to everyone! Come and get em > while their hot! > > Joseph Siemion from San Pendejo you're the man let's drop the 'puter and go grab some tequillas enrico de la moquetta sagrada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 you're welcome Steve. he was a very cool guy... very funny also...realized when he was 14 and hung out with the likes of Ramana and Niz for a time. jess - " yacobyisrael " <yacobyisrael > BTW Jess I did enjoy your Adams post. I have not learned anything > about this man but I did enjoy the post. It really made me think > of " The order of Melchezidek " spoken of in the New Testement. > > Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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