Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 > Like the famous zen dude who yelled at his student: > > " Just this, just this!! " > > So, even if there is contraction and a sense of " me " here, that is > fine too. You can only say that something is fine " after the fact. " And there is no " after the fact. " > No need to be rid of that sense of " me " to try to get to > some kind of state where there is no me. That's more of the same > nonsense. Indeed - trying to get rid of me, is the me activity. There's no getting to a state where there is no me, but there is recognition that the investment to be, and to be in a desired state, is the me activity. > The sense of separation is what is, The s of s is trying to have what can't be, while avoiding what is. It's trying to be in a place that you don't get to have, but not wanting to know that you don't get to have it. The attempt isn't happening separately, but there is the intent and conceptualization that it has an existence to itself, of its own, and forms relationships with others also having their own existence. The instant you are clear on how that attempt is happening, it can't happen. It depends on lack of clarity for its ongoing try. It can't afford clarity of how it happens. > and whatever else you > want is just resistance and following that resistance will only > create more tension/suffering. You don't know what will happen next. Thinking you know what resistance is, and that you won't follow resistance -- is resistance. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Like the famous zen dude who yelled at his student: > > > > " Just this, just this!! " > > > > So, even if there is contraction and a sense of " me " here, that is > > fine too. > > You can only say that something is fine " after the fact. " > > And there is no " after the fact. " True. I am pointing to seeing the movement of mind and allowing it to what it's doing. If it's seeking something, then allow it to seek. The way I see it, there is the allowing of it and there is the wishing it were different. Both are a kind of commentary, after the fact, but the allowing seems to steal the juice from the tension/seeking. In the allowing of it to move, it can be seen what it's up to. > > > No need to be rid of that sense of " me " to try to get to > > some kind of state where there is no me. That's more of the same > > nonsense. > > Indeed - trying to get rid of me, is the me activity. > > There's no getting to a state where there is no me, but there > is recognition that the investment to be, and to be in > a desired state, is the me activity. > > > The sense of separation is what is, > > The s of s is trying to have what can't be, while > avoiding what is. It's trying to be in a place that you > don't get to have, but not wanting to know that you > don't get to have it. > > The attempt isn't happening separately, but there is > the intent and conceptualization that it has an > existence to itself, of its own, and forms relationships > with others also having their own existence. > > The instant you are clear on how that attempt is happening, > it can't happen. It depends on lack of clarity for its > ongoing try. It can't afford clarity of how it happens. Yes, that's the seeing I am referring to. It's like taking the gas away from the engine; it just dies down. > > > and whatever else you > > want is just resistance and following that resistance will only > > create more tension/suffering. > > You don't know what will happen next. > > Thinking you know what resistance is, and that you won't > follow resistance -- is resistance. Right, because that's just thinking about it and saying to yourself " I won't do this. " There's a big difference between that and seeing/sensing the arising of it and just seeing it... it's like exposing the dude behind the curtain, " Oh, it's just you again. Carry on if you will. " Of course, at that point, he doesn't want to anymore. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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