Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Greetings, A reaction and I respond, clumsily but trying to get a point across or mere bitching at Dan's indications ... plus an attempt at some play-with-words. I mean, I can only be my self ... <snip> The one who is trying to grasp an immortal experience has no basis for grasping anything. It is the attempt to grasp, and that's all it's ever been. [ ... That's all it's ever been ? Alluding to something eternal or what ? ] When that attempt to grasp is understood as not comprising any kind of permanent self, it is clear that such a self isn't there to hold onto the promised experience of permanent being, bliss, and so on. [ Oh! So the absence is what remains all along ? Not-two worry then, hey ?!? ] This clarity of understanding doesn't need or require permanence, nor to establish itself in something, nor to worry about what will be after the body decays. [ Robert Adams talked directly about the same notions in his own words and you objected !! ] This clarity isn't scared of impermanence, nor seeking after permance, nor trying to hold onto an absolute. [ What about your cherished turn-of-phrase " Never not the case " that he used so often ? Grasping is the culprit when trying to curb down anxiety. ] There is no before or after now. [ So isn't the now like ... eternal ? ] There is no separable self to seek after a samadhi state now. There never has been a separable being going through states ever. All the religions, practices and spokespeople attempting to bring people to an experience of the absolute are now out of a job. [ Thank you for your persistence, some give satsang, but you're a writer and have honing your skill for years, like a professional chess player doesn't stay away long from the game. ] <snip > -- Dan Beloved Dan, You sure don't claim enlightenment, but you sure don't present yourself as ignorant. Reading those comments on these lists made me more aware of the need for a hook for a guru/teacher/guide/friend/mentor/awakened one to get out of his silence to respond to a question from somebody. I've seen you mistaken and arguing with your own words on GR while thinking these were Freyja's replies. I did enjoy the conversation with Gene and yourself about the word, the notion and the meaning of ' Advaita ' .... I like your humor and you can be a shithead too. Eric will manage to say anything, irrelevancy is no concern of his and I like someone assuming his irrational side and you will most likely have the last word forever and ever. Hey man !! Seems to me a retort from an absolute point of view collides with a relative one so often, you know the buddhist concept of two truths ? Well there's no 'me' tying his shoes when coming from the Totality no-point of view and then if I mention " my " nirvikalpa samadhi, I'll be reminded of the entropy reality of incarnation and cha-cha-cha. I'll confess it's not easy writing about such a subtle topic but what fun even though I'm not proficient at it! Hell, a bore rating, he'll abhor hating elaborating. More a pun-isher than a writer. If you know that you don't know; there is innocence. If you don't know that you know; there is denying. If you don't know that you don't know, there is impotence. If you know that you do know, there is savoring. ..:. Gyan _______________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm & pgmarket=en-ca & RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com\ %2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Sw Anandgyan " <gyan59@h...> wrote: > Greetings, > > A reaction and I respond, clumsily but trying to get a point across or mere > bitching at Dan's indications ... plus an attempt at some play-with- words. I > mean, I can only be my self ... > > > <snip> > > The one who is trying to grasp an immortal experience has no > basis for grasping anything. It is the attempt to grasp, > and that's all it's ever been. > > [ ... That's all it's ever been ? Alluding to something eternal or what ? ] > > When that attempt to grasp is understood as not comprising > any kind of permanent self, it is clear that such a self > isn't there to hold onto the promised experience of > permanent being, bliss, and so on. > > [ Oh! So the absence is what remains all along ? Not-two worry then, hey ?!? > ] > > This clarity of understanding doesn't need or require permanence, > nor to establish itself in something, nor to worry about what > will be after the body decays. > > [ Robert Adams talked directly about the same notions in his own words and > you objected !! ] > > This clarity isn't scared of impermanence, nor seeking > after permance, nor trying to hold onto an absolute. > > [ What about your cherished turn-of-phrase " Never not the case " that he > used so often ? Grasping is the culprit when trying to curb down anxiety. ] > > There is no before or after now. > > [ So isn't the now like ... eternal ? ] > > There is no separable self to seek after a samadhi state now. > > There never has been a separable being going through states > ever. > > All the religions, practices and spokespeople attempting to > bring people to an experience of the absolute are now > out of a job. > > [ Thank you for your persistence, some give satsang, but you're a writer and > have honing your skill for years, like a professional chess player doesn't > stay away long from the game. ] > > <snip > > > -- Dan oh, really, Dan writes books? may i have some references here please? erix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 > oh, really, Dan writes books? > may i have some references here please? > erix Is this a trick question? I wrote two chapters and one book. I think the book may be out of print, it was called " Creating Contact, Choosing Relationship " with Richard Page, about group therapy. I had a chapter in a book called " Cultivating Health " edited by Mack MacLachlin, about Eastern and Western ways of viewing health. And I had a chapter in a book called " The Sacred Mirror " about nonduality and therapy, edited by Prendergast, Fenner, and Krystal. That's the most recent one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > oh, really, Dan writes books? > > may i have some references here please? > > erix > > Is this a trick question? > too heavy to play games, mars is the planet > I wrote two chapters and one book. > > I think the book may be out of print, it > was called " Creating Contact, Choosing > Relationship " with Richard Page, about > group therapy. > > I had a chapter in a book called " Cultivating > Health " edited by Mack MacLachlin, about Eastern > and Western ways of viewing health. > > And I had a chapter in a book called " The Sacred > Mirror " about nonduality and therapy, edited > by Prendergast, Fenner, and Krystal. > > That's the most recent one. thank you Dan may i know your trade? erix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 > > > oh, really, Dan writes books? > > > may i have some references here please? > > > erix > > > > Is this a trick question? > > > > too heavy to play games, mars is the planet > > > I wrote two chapters and one book. > > > > I think the book may be out of print, it > > was called " Creating Contact, Choosing > > Relationship " with Richard Page, about > > group therapy. Dan: about a book in which I wrote a chapter called " A Psychology of No-thingness. " Pardon my flagrant advertising, but I think it's a worthwhile book on a subject that some of you will find interesting, hopefully. It includes chapters by Adyashanti also the editors: Peter Fenner, Sheila Krystal, and John Prendergast, as well as many others. Here is the name of the book, and related information: " The Sacred Mirror: Nondual Wisdom & Psychotherapy " Omega Books/Paragon House New York, N.Y. John J. Prendergast (Editor), Peter Fenner (Editor), Sheila Krystal(Editors) List Price: $19.95 Amazon Price: $13.97 & eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25. See details. You Save: $5.98 (30%) Availability: Usually ships within 24 hours couple lines: <http://health.meditationsocietyofamerica/message/10572> Dan Berkow Phd <http://www.kstatecollegian.com/issues/v101/fa/n056/cut.11.12.artshow.palm.html> > > > > I had a chapter in a book called " Cultivating > > Health " edited by Mack MacLachlin, about Eastern > > and Western ways of viewing health. > > > > And I had a chapter in a book called " The Sacred > > Mirror " about nonduality and therapy, edited > > by Prendergast, Fenner, and Krystal. > > > > That's the most recent one. > > thank you Dan > may i know your trade? > erix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Era " <satkarta7@j...> wrote: > > > > oh, really, Dan writes books? > > > > may i have some references here please? > > > > erix > > > > > > Is this a trick question? > > > > > > > too heavy to play games, mars is the planet > > > > > I wrote two chapters and one book. > > > > > > I think the book may be out of print, it > > > was called " Creating Contact, Choosing > > > Relationship " with Richard Page, about > > > group therapy. > > > Dan: about a book > in which I wrote a chapter called " A Psychology of > No-thingness. " Pardon my flagrant advertising, but > I think it's a worthwhile book on a subject that some of you will > find interesting, hopefully. > It includes chapters by Adyashanti also the editors: Peter Fenner, > Sheila Krystal, and John Prendergast, as well as many others. > > Here is the name of the book, and related information: > > " The Sacred Mirror: Nondual Wisdom & Psychotherapy " > > Omega Books/Paragon House New York, N.Y. > John J. Prendergast (Editor), Peter Fenner (Editor), Sheila > Krystal(Editors) > > List Price: $19.95 > > Amazon Price: $13.97 & eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on > orders over $25. See details. > You Save: $5.98 (30%) > Availability: Usually ships within 24 hours > > > couple lines: > > <http://health.meditationsocietyofamerica/messa ge/10572> > > Dan Berkow Phd > > <http://www.kstatecollegian.com/issues/v101/fa/n056/cut.11.12.artshow. palm.html> > > thanks ericka, valuable information i take good note of it! eric > > > > > > I had a chapter in a book called " Cultivating > > > Health " edited by Mack MacLachlin, about Eastern > > > and Western ways of viewing health. > > > > > > And I had a chapter in a book called " The Sacred > > > Mirror " about nonduality and therapy, edited > > > by Prendergast, Fenner, and Krystal. > > > > > > That's the most recent one. > > > > thank you Dan > > may i know your trade? > > erix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Nisargadatta , " eric paroissien " <vertvetiver@a...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > > oh, really, Dan writes books? > > > may i have some references here please? > > > erix > > > > Is this a trick question? > > > > too heavy to play games, mars is the planet > > > I wrote two chapters and one book. > > > > I think the book may be out of print, it > > was called " Creating Contact, Choosing > > Relationship " with Richard Page, about > > group therapy. > > > > I had a chapter in a book called " Cultivating > > Health " edited by Mack MacLachlin, about Eastern > > and Western ways of viewing health. > > > > And I had a chapter in a book called " The Sacred > > Mirror " about nonduality and therapy, edited > > by Prendergast, Fenner, and Krystal. > > > > That's the most recent one. > > thank you Dan > may i know your trade? > erix I work as a psychologist. What's yours? -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " eric paroissien " > <vertvetiver@a...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > wrote: > > > > oh, really, Dan writes books? > > > > may i have some references here please? > > > > erix > > > > > > Is this a trick question? > > > > > > > too heavy to play games, mars is the planet > > > > > I wrote two chapters and one book. > > > > > > I think the book may be out of print, it > > > was called " Creating Contact, Choosing > > > Relationship " with Richard Page, about > > > group therapy. > > > > > > I had a chapter in a book called " Cultivating > > > Health " edited by Mack MacLachlin, about Eastern > > > and Western ways of viewing health. > > > > > > And I had a chapter in a book called " The Sacred > > > Mirror " about nonduality and therapy, edited > > > by Prendergast, Fenner, and Krystal. > > > > > > That's the most recent one. > > > > thank you Dan > > may i know your trade? > > erix > > I work as a psychologist. What's yours? > > -- Dan technical translator (work as less as possible) -- erix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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