Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Compassion can be looked at in several ways. In daily life love and compassion may be necessary to develope relationships and basic culture. I learned from Zen/Pure Land master Thich Thien~An how deep compassion can be; he had only compassion for the Christions who locked him in a 'Black Box' for months, love, compassion, and self- degrading humor for the college students who insulted him for his poor English and especially that one cannot have compassion for others if arrogance and ego exist in regards to others. With Nisargadatta I saw compassion for all that came to see him, even if they were ignorant, burned-out from the Guru trail, not those combative in a manner to support their own Ego, or came to be seen by others to increase their reputation. If someone wanted to argue openions he had a great time, his only concern was a true desire to find who they really were. I trust Maharaj to make those decisions; certaintly not me, and certaintly not people on this forum. Sorry 'bout that. But also he was concerned about the lady that lived under the stairwell in his building, the local people and the children. Granted those Masters are hard to live up to, but we can try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Hello John, It is certainly refreshing to hear from someone, who has humility and comes from the heart. thanks for posting, I always appreciate your posts here. To you I will say, Namaste, because I sincerely mean it. Jess - " John Cox " <jcoxco <Nisargadatta > Wednesday, November 26, 2003 12:19 PM Compassion > Compassion can be looked at in several ways. In daily life love and > compassion may be necessary to develope relationships and basic > culture. I learned from Zen/Pure Land master Thich Thien~An how deep > compassion can be; he had only compassion for the Christions who > locked him in a 'Black Box' for months, love, compassion, and self- > degrading humor for the college students who insulted him for his > poor English and especially that one cannot have compassion for > others if arrogance and ego exist in regards to others. > > With Nisargadatta I saw compassion for all that came to see him, even > if they were ignorant, burned-out from the Guru trail, not those > combative in a manner to support their own Ego, or came to be seen by > others to increase their reputation. If someone wanted to argue > openions he had a great time, his only concern was a true desire to > find who they really were. I trust Maharaj to make those decisions; > certaintly not me, and certaintly not people on this forum. > Sorry 'bout that. > > But also he was concerned about the lady that lived under the > stairwell in his building, the local people and the children. > Granted those Masters are hard to live up to, but we can try. > > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Dear John, What is that position that let you focus on compassion ? Isn't it the position of a Cinderella finally getting her prince? The prince in this case is compassion. Who is that entity in you trying to grow compassion ? Can thought ever approach it ? Isn't is better to cut through the imaginary " me " which is the very reason that compasion can't blossom than to resort to fancy ideals which are just bubbles and lead right away into moral hypocrisy. Werner Nisargadatta , " John Cox " <jcoxco> wrote: > Compassion can be looked at in several ways. In daily life love and > compassion may be necessary to develope relationships and basic > culture. I learned from Zen/Pure Land master Thich Thien~An how deep > compassion can be; he had only compassion for the Christions who > locked him in a 'Black Box' for months, love, compassion, and self- > degrading humor for the college students who insulted him for his > poor English and especially that one cannot have compassion for > others if arrogance and ego exist in regards to others. > > With Nisargadatta I saw compassion for all that came to see him, even > if they were ignorant, burned-out from the Guru trail, not those > combative in a manner to support their own Ego, or came to be seen by > others to increase their reputation. If someone wanted to argue > openions he had a great time, his only concern was a true desire to > find who they really were. I trust Maharaj to make those decisions; > certaintly not me, and certaintly not people on this forum. > Sorry 'bout that. > > But also he was concerned about the lady that lived under the > stairwell in his building, the local people and the children. > Granted those Masters are hard to live up to, but we can try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > Dear John, > > What is that position that let you focus on compassion ? Isn't it the > position of a Cinderella finally getting her prince? The prince in > this case is compassion. Who is that entity in you trying to grow > compassion ? Can thought ever approach it ? > > Isn't is better to cut through the imaginary " me " which is the very > reason that compasion can't blossom than to resort to fancy ideals > which are just bubbles and lead right away into moral hypocrisy. > > Werner ******* Bingo! When you look into your so-called " compassion " thoroughly, it reeks to high heavens! " Self " -ishness only. The most subtle of ego trips disguises itself as " love " . Judi > > Nisargadatta , " John Cox " <jcoxco> wrote: > > Compassion can be looked at in several ways. In daily life love > and > > compassion may be necessary to develope relationships and basic > > culture. I learned from Zen/Pure Land master Thich Thien~An how > deep > > compassion can be; he had only compassion for the Christions who > > locked him in a 'Black Box' for months, love, compassion, and self- > > degrading humor for the college students who insulted him for his > > poor English and especially that one cannot have compassion for > > others if arrogance and ego exist in regards to others. > > > > With Nisargadatta I saw compassion for all that came to see him, > even > > if they were ignorant, burned-out from the Guru trail, not those > > combative in a manner to support their own Ego, or came to be seen > by > > others to increase their reputation. If someone wanted to argue > > openions he had a great time, his only concern was a true desire to > > find who they really were. I trust Maharaj to make those > decisions; > > certaintly not me, and certaintly not people on this forum. > > Sorry 'bout that. > > > > But also he was concerned about the lady that lived under the > > stairwell in his building, the local people and the children. > > Granted those Masters are hard to live up to, but we can try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > Dear John, > > What is that position that let you focus on compassion ? Isn't it the > position of a Cinderella finally getting her prince? The prince in > this case is compassion. Who is that entity in you trying to grow > compassion ? Can thought ever approach it ? > > Isn't is better to cut through the imaginary " me " which is the very > reason that compasion can't blossom than to resort to fancy ideals > which are just bubbles and lead right away into moral hypocrisy. > > Werner Why not do both?! It can be a good practice to develop compassion along side with the inquiry. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Nisargadatta , " judirhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Dear John, > > > > What is that position that let you focus on compassion ? Isn't it > the > > position of a Cinderella finally getting her prince? The prince in > > this case is compassion. Who is that entity in you trying to grow > > compassion ? Can thought ever approach it ? > > > > Isn't is better to cut through the imaginary " me " which is the very > > reason that compasion can't blossom than to resort to fancy ideals > > which are just bubbles and lead right away into moral hypocrisy. > > > > Werner > > ******* Bingo! When you look into your so-called " compassion " > thoroughly, it reeks to high heavens! " Self " -ishness only. > > The most subtle of ego trips disguises itself as " love " . > > Judi > > ****** And along with that, your whole " reason " for living, your whole " identity " itself shows itself for the " game " that it really is. Death. Death of the " separate one " . Judi > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " John Cox " <jcoxco> wrote: > > > Compassion can be looked at in several ways. In daily life love > > and > > > compassion may be necessary to develope relationships and basic > > > culture. I learned from Zen/Pure Land master Thich Thien~An how > > deep > > > compassion can be; he had only compassion for the Christions who > > > locked him in a 'Black Box' for months, love, compassion, and > self- > > > degrading humor for the college students who insulted him for his > > > poor English and especially that one cannot have compassion for > > > others if arrogance and ego exist in regards to others. > > > > > > With Nisargadatta I saw compassion for all that came to see him, > > even > > > if they were ignorant, burned-out from the Guru trail, not those > > > combative in a manner to support their own Ego, or came to be > seen > > by > > > others to increase their reputation. If someone wanted to argue > > > openions he had a great time, his only concern was a true desire > to > > > find who they really were. I trust Maharaj to make those > > decisions; > > > certaintly not me, and certaintly not people on this forum. > > > Sorry 'bout that. > > > > > > But also he was concerned about the lady that lived under the > > > stairwell in his building, the local people and the children. > > > Granted those Masters are hard to live up to, but we can try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Hello Werner, excuse me for butting in. i have no intention of speaking for John but....since it 'appears' that John posted this morning after of a lot of negativity got stirred...just thought you might enjoy pondering this...from my guru...the one who's words I posted and Judy called a bastard and who inspired Dan to give a discourse on permanence. these are only excerpts from a satsang entitled , Love, Compassion and Humility. ....It is the thoughts that see everything in this world as good and bad, right and wrong. As the thoughts begin to subside, love comes by itself, compassion, humility come by themselves You've heard me talk on many occasions on the subject of love, compassion and humility. These three things are very important to understand. They have to be nurtured and developed. When you understand what love, compassion and humility really are, at that time you become a living embodiment of the truth, and the self will pull your ego into the heart center, and you will become liberated and free. When I speak to you of all these things I'm referring to my own experiences. Therefore, do not take these things I say lightly, even though I tell you many times to not believe a word I say. It sounds like a contradiction, but it isn't. You are not to believe anything I say, yet you are to reflect and ponder on the things I say at the same time. Try to become a living embodiment of the highest truth. - " wwoehr " <wwoehr <Nisargadatta > Wednesday, November 26, 2003 12:46 PM Re: Compassion > Dear John, > > What is that position that let you focus on compassion ? Isn't it the > position of a Cinderella finally getting her prince? The prince in > this case is compassion. Who is that entity in you trying to grow > compassion ? Can thought ever approach it ? > > Isn't is better to cut through the imaginary " me " which is the very > reason that compasion can't blossom than to resort to fancy ideals > which are just bubbles and lead right away into moral hypocrisy. > > Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Dear Jessica, Surely you have no intention to speak for John but rather for yourself. It is your trip why you are replying. When it comes to YOUR guru, shall I cite MY guru and we will have some guru contest ? And all the other members here will introduce their guru and we will have a great guru festival. We will offer snacks and drink and have lots of fun. I have read all those mails about what you call " negativity got stirred " and I wonder whose " negativity " you mean, yours, mine, John's or whoe's one ? I felt no " negativity " and I must confess I even don't know what that is. Werner Nisargadatta , " Jessica White " <ellam- ondre@c...> wrote: > Hello Werner, > > excuse me for butting in. i have no intention of speaking for John > but....since it 'appears' that John posted this morning after of a lot of > negativity got stirred...just thought you might enjoy pondering this...from > my guru...the one who's words I posted and Judy called a bastard and who > inspired Dan to give a discourse on permanence. > > these are only excerpts from a satsang entitled , Love, Compassion and > Humility. > > > ...It is the thoughts that see everything in this world as good and bad, > right and wrong. As the thoughts begin to subside, love comes by itself, > compassion, humility come by themselves > You've heard me talk on many occasions on the subject of love, compassion > and humility. These three things are very important to understand. They have > to be nurtured and developed. When you understand what love, compassion and > humility really are, at that time you become a living embodiment of the > truth, and the self will pull your ego into the heart center, and you will > become liberated and free. > > When I speak to you of all these things I'm referring to my own experiences. > Therefore, do not take these things I say lightly, even though I tell you > many times to not believe a word I say. It sounds like a contradiction, but > it isn't. You are not to believe anything I say, yet you are to reflect and > ponder on the things I say at the same time. Try to become a living > embodiment of the highest truth. > > > > - > " wwoehr " <wwoehr@p...> > <Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, November 26, 2003 12:46 PM > Re: Compassion > > > > Dear John, > > > > What is that position that let you focus on compassion ? Isn't it the > > position of a Cinderella finally getting her prince? The prince in > > this case is compassion. Who is that entity in you trying to grow > > compassion ? Can thought ever approach it ? > > > > Isn't is better to cut through the imaginary " me " which is the very > > reason that compasion can't blossom than to resort to fancy ideals > > which are just bubbles and lead right away into moral hypocrisy. > > > > Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 I should have said, whose words inspired Dan to give a discourse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 - " wwoehr " <wwoehr <Nisargadatta > Wednesday, November 26, 2003 1:37 PM Re: Compassion > Dear Jessica, > > Surely you have no intention to speak for John but rather for > yourself. It is your trip why you are replying. > > When it comes to YOUR guru, shall I cite MY guru and we will have > some guru contest ? And all the other members here will introduce > their guru and we will have a great guru festival. We will offer > snacks and drink and have lots of fun. > > I have read all those mails about what you call " negativity got > stirred " and I wonder whose " negativity " you mean, yours, mine, > John's or whoe's one ? I felt no " negativity " and I must confess I > even don't know what that is. > > Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " Jessica White " <ellam- > ondre@c...> wrote: > > Hello Werner, > > > > excuse me for butting in. i have no intention of speaking for John > > but....since it 'appears' that John posted this morning after of a > lot of > > negativity got stirred...just thought you might enjoy pondering > this...from > > my guru...the one who's words I posted and Judy called a bastard > and who > > inspired Dan to give a discourse on permanence. > > > > these are only excerpts from a satsang entitled , Love, Compassion > and > > Humility. > > > > > > ...It is the thoughts that see everything in this world as good and > bad, > > right and wrong. As the thoughts begin to subside, love comes by > itself, > > compassion, humility come by themselves > > You've heard me talk on many occasions on the subject of love, > compassion > > and humility. These three things are very important to understand. > They have > > to be nurtured and developed. When you understand what love, > compassion and > > humility really are, at that time you become a living embodiment of > the > > truth, and the self will pull your ego into the heart center, and > you will > > become liberated and free. > > > > When I speak to you of all these things I'm referring to my own > experiences. > > Therefore, do not take these things I say lightly, even though I > tell you > > many times to not believe a word I say. It sounds like a > contradiction, but > > it isn't. You are not to believe anything I say, yet you are to > reflect and > > ponder on the things I say at the same time. Try to become a living > > embodiment of the highest truth. > > > > > > > > - > > " wwoehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > <Nisargadatta > > > Wednesday, November 26, 2003 12:46 PM > > Re: Compassion > > > > > > > Dear John, > > > > > > What is that position that let you focus on compassion ? Isn't it > the > > > position of a Cinderella finally getting her prince? The prince in > > > this case is compassion. Who is that entity in you trying to grow > > > compassion ? Can thought ever approach it ? > > > > > > Isn't is better to cut through the imaginary " me " which is the > very > > > reason that compasion can't blossom than to resort to fancy ideals > > > which are just bubbles and lead right away into moral hypocrisy. > > > > > > Werner > > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > Dear Jessica, > > Surely you have no intention to speak for John but rather for > yourself. It is your trip why you are replying. > > > I have read all those mails about what you call " negativity got > stirred " and I wonder whose " negativity " you mean, yours, mine, > John's or whoe's one ? I felt no " negativity " and I must confess I > even don't know what that is. > > Werner > ********* Bingo again Werner! You're catchin on! Negativty *is* as negativity *does*. This ain't rocket science!! Judi > > Nisargadatta , " Jessica White " <ellam- > ondre@c...> wrote: > > Hello Werner, > > > > excuse me for butting in. i have no intention of speaking for John > > but....since it 'appears' that John posted this morning after of a > lot of > > negativity got stirred...just thought you might enjoy pondering > this...from > > my guru...the one who's words I posted and Judy called a bastard > and who > > inspired Dan to give a discourse on permanence. > > > > these are only excerpts from a satsang entitled , Love, Compassion > and > > Humility. > > > > > > ...It is the thoughts that see everything in this world as good and > bad, > > right and wrong. As the thoughts begin to subside, love comes by > itself, > > compassion, humility come by themselves > > You've heard me talk on many occasions on the subject of love, > compassion > > and humility. These three things are very important to understand. > They have > > to be nurtured and developed. When you understand what love, > compassion and > > humility really are, at that time you become a living embodiment of > the > > truth, and the self will pull your ego into the heart center, and > you will > > become liberated and free. > > > > When I speak to you of all these things I'm referring to my own > experiences. > > Therefore, do not take these things I say lightly, even though I > tell you > > many times to not believe a word I say. It sounds like a > contradiction, but > > it isn't. You are not to believe anything I say, yet you are to > reflect and > > ponder on the things I say at the same time. Try to become a living > > embodiment of the highest truth. > > > > > > > > - > > " wwoehr " <wwoehr@p...> > > <Nisargadatta > > > Wednesday, November 26, 2003 12:46 PM > > Re: Compassion > > > > > > > Dear John, > > > > > > What is that position that let you focus on compassion ? Isn't it > the > > > position of a Cinderella finally getting her prince? The prince in > > > this case is compassion. Who is that entity in you trying to grow > > > compassion ? Can thought ever approach it ? > > > > > > Isn't is better to cut through the imaginary " me " which is the > very > > > reason that compasion can't blossom than to resort to fancy ideals > > > which are just bubbles and lead right away into moral hypocrisy. > > > > > > Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 it's funny to me that it is so offensive to post words from a guru. i could swear I've seen quite a few quotes appearing on this list from different posters. I have no interest in a guru contest nor would I enjoy a guru festival. i rarely read anything from robert anymore; have lost all interest in 'spiritual' books, but I did get mentally stimulated here in the past several days..had some fun but now it's not fun anymore. as far as negativity goes, I was referring to John's earlier post. the offense has been noted. jessica - " wwoehr " <wwoehr <Nisargadatta > Wednesday, November 26, 2003 1:37 PM Re: Compassion > Dear Jessica, > > Surely you have no intention to speak for John but rather for > yourself. It is your trip why you are replying. > > When it comes to YOUR guru, shall I cite MY guru and we will have > some guru contest ? And all the other members here will introduce > their guru and we will have a great guru festival. We will offer > snacks and drink and have lots of fun. > > I have read all those mails about what you call " negativity got > stirred " and I wonder whose " negativity " you mean, yours, mine, > John's or whoe's one ? I felt no " negativity " and I must confess I > even don't know what that is. > > Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > Dear John, > > What is that position that let you focus on compassion ? Isn't it the > position of a Cinderella finally getting her prince? The prince in > this case is compassion. Who is that entity in you trying to grow > compassion ? Can thought ever approach it ? > > Isn't is better to cut through the imaginary " me " which is the very > reason that compasion can't blossom than to resort to fancy ideals > which are just bubbles and lead right away into moral hypocrisy. > > Werner > >>>>> Illusion is always possible, maybe even probable Werner. An area to watch for, thanks. However, as of this moment and since being a young boy compassion has seemed to be a state, not something to be searched for. It is not my true being as it increases and decreases. You are quite correct that it cannot be approached by thought. But i find no hypocrisy in it; and as mentioned i find it not only in myself but also in those that i respect spirtually. Open to other possibilities; but i feel that knowledge w/o love and compassion elimates wisdom. Be watching for you: john > Nisargadatta , " John Cox " <jcoxco> wrote: > > Compassion can be looked at in several ways. In daily life love > and > > compassion may be necessary to develope relationships and basic > > culture. I learned from Zen/Pure Land master Thich Thien~An how > deep > > compassion can be; he had only compassion for the Christions who > > locked him in a 'Black Box' for months, love, compassion, and self- > > degrading humor for the college students who insulted him for his > > poor English and especially that one cannot have compassion for > > others if arrogance and ego exist in regards to others. > > > > With Nisargadatta I saw compassion for all that came to see him, > even > > if they were ignorant, burned-out from the Guru trail, not those > > combative in a manner to support their own Ego, or came to be seen > by > > others to increase their reputation. If someone wanted to argue > > openions he had a great time, his only concern was a true desire to > > find who they really were. I trust Maharaj to make those > decisions; > > certaintly not me, and certaintly not people on this forum. > > Sorry 'bout that. > > > > But also he was concerned about the lady that lived under the > > stairwell in his building, the local people and the children. > > Granted those Masters are hard to live up to, but we can try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Jessica White " <ellam- ondre@c...> wrote: > Hello John, > > It is certainly refreshing to hear from someone, who has humility and comes > from the heart. > thanks for posting, I always appreciate your posts here. > > To you I will say, Namaste, because I sincerely mean it. > > Jess >> Thanks Jess, not to be trivial, but i have enjoyed your posts also. Namaste: john > - > " John Cox " <jcoxco> > <Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, November 26, 2003 12:19 PM > Compassion > > > > Compassion can be looked at in several ways. In daily life love and > > compassion may be necessary to develope relationships and basic > > culture. I learned from Zen/Pure Land master Thich Thien~An how deep > > compassion can be; he had only compassion for the Christions who > > locked him in a 'Black Box' for months, love, compassion, and self- > > degrading humor for the college students who insulted him for his > > poor English and especially that one cannot have compassion for > > others if arrogance and ego exist in regards to others. > > > > With Nisargadatta I saw compassion for all that came to see him, even > > if they were ignorant, burned-out from the Guru trail, not those > > combative in a manner to support their own Ego, or came to be seen by > > others to increase their reputation. If someone wanted to argue > > openions he had a great time, his only concern was a true desire to > > find who they really were. I trust Maharaj to make those decisions; > > certaintly not me, and certaintly not people on this forum. > > Sorry 'bout that. > > > > But also he was concerned about the lady that lived under the > > stairwell in his building, the local people and the children. > > Granted those Masters are hard to live up to, but we can try. > > > > > > > > ** > > > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your > subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta > group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Nisargadatta , " John Cox " <jcoxco> wrote: John you said: I trust Maharaj to make those decisions; > > > certaintly not me, and certaintly not people on this forum. > > > Sorry 'bout that. as Jessica introduced her guru as an authority in the discussions even as a small kid i knew in adults there was something phoney about bringing in an absent authority; it looks so much like humility, John, and Jess told you so as an answer to this... it looks so much like humility and all decisions belong to the absent dead guy, and little value to the compagnon to the wife to the son to the friend, ... because we teach our kids very early: " where will my joy come from certaintly not from you. Sorry 'bout that. " this is so rude John when you say this you're rude Jess when you say this you're rude i prefer the fuck fuck fuck of dear Judi and her .357 she doesn't dress in satin to make people feel like shit, she says " hey shithead! " well John, Nisargatta cannot be trusted to bring you anything, you're decision doesn't come from heaven. i don't owe my joy to nisargadatta eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Nisargadatta , " eric paroissien " <vertvetiver@a...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " John Cox " <jcoxco> wrote: > > John you said: > > I trust Maharaj to make those decisions; > > > > certaintly not me, and certaintly not people on this forum. > > > > Sorry 'bout that. > > as Jessica introduced her guru as an authority in the discussions > > even as a small kid i knew in adults there was something phoney about > bringing in an absent authority; it looks so much like humility, > John, and Jess told you so as an answer to this... > it looks so much like humility > and all decisions belong to the absent dead guy, and little value to > the compagnon to the wife to the son to the friend, ... > because we teach our kids very early: > " where will my joy come from certaintly not from you. > Sorry 'bout that. " > this is so rude > > John when you say this you're rude > Jess when you say this you're rude > i prefer the fuck fuck fuck of dear Judi and her .357 > she doesn't dress in satin to make people feel like shit, > she says " hey shithead! " > > well John, Nisargatta cannot be trusted to bring you anything, you're > decision doesn't come from heaven. > i don't owe my joy to nisargadatta > eric ******** A man after my heart! Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Nisargadatta , " judirhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: >> > > > well John, Nisargatta cannot be trusted to bring you anything, > you're > > decision doesn't come from heaven. > > i don't owe my joy to nisargadatta > > eric > > ******** A man after my heart! > > Judi ************ I think I could turn and live with animals, they are so placid and self-contain'd, I stand and look at them long and long. They do not sweat and whine about their condition, They do not lie awake in the dark and weep for their sins, They do not make me sick discussing their duty to God, Not one is dissatisfied, not one is demented with the mania of owning things, Not one kneels to another, nor to his kind that lived thousands of years ago, Not one is respectable or unhappy over the whole earth. *** Whitman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Nisargadatta , " eric paroissien " <vertvetiver@a...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " John Cox " <jcoxco> wrote: > > John you said: > > I trust Maharaj to make those decisions; > > > > certaintly not me, and certaintly not people on this forum. > > > > Sorry 'bout that. > > as Jessica introduced her guru as an authority in the discussions > > even as a small kid i knew in adults there was something phoney about > bringing in an absent authority; it looks so much like humility, > John, and Jess told you so as an answer to this... > it looks so much like humilitydoesn't come from heaven. > i don't owe my joy to nisargadatta > eric >>>>> Sorry if something (could not ascertain exactly what)seemed rude to you. But i take no responsability for your reaction. There is no pressure being put on you or anyone else to accept my view > and all decisions belong to the absent dead guy, and little value to > the compagnon to the wife to the son to the friend, ... > because we teach our kids very early: > " where will my joy come from certaintly not from you. > Sorry 'bout that. " > this is so rude > > John when you say this you're rude > Jess when you say this you're rude > i prefer the fuck fuck fuck of dear Judi and her .357 > she doesn't dress in satin to make people feel like shit, > she says " hey shithead! " > > well John, Nisargatta cannot be trusted to bring you anything, you're > decision point.>> No negitivy is presented. john .....perhaps you are upset that i do not trust myself or anyone else here to be able to determine the validity of others practice. Or you think i ask Maharaj what to do next. If so, that is not what i meant. I do use my experience and what i have learned as a base. I do deny trying to make anyone feel like a shithead. Perhaps observing what in you brought up such negitivy would be usefull. Or not. :Shithead john Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Nisargadatta , " John Cox " <jcoxco> wrote: > > > trying to make anyone feel like a shithead. ******* If the shoe fits, swallow! Lord have mercy, I am BUT a sinner!! Read it and weep, " shitheads " ! Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Hi John, - " John Cox " <jcoxco <Nisargadatta > Thursday, November 27, 2003 01:49 AM Compassion > Compassion can be looked at in several ways. In daily life love and > compassion may be necessary to develope relationships and basic > culture. I learned from Zen/Pure Land master Thich Thien~An how deep > compassion can be; he had only compassion for the Christions who > locked him in a 'Black Box' for months, love, compassion, and self- > degrading humor for the college students who insulted him for his > poor English and especially that one cannot have compassion for > others if arrogance and ego exist in regards to others. Compassion is the flavour of the milieu of beingness, when it is not by... and not for..... It just is,.....in the realization, ................that you are the other. And that is why,........for that mileu of beingness,...........there is neither the " ignorant " , neither the " losers " , neither the " insulters " , neither the " victimizers " . Nor is thus, for that milieu of beingness,.............the " wise " , or the " winners " or the " praisers " or the " victims " Compassion, truly is,...........when all distinctions, have ceased. And in the absence of all distinctions,........that milieu of beingness,..........is not even conscious of being compassion. > > With Nisargadatta I saw compassion for all that came to see him, even > if they were ignorant, burned-out from the Guru trail, not those > combative in a manner to support their own Ego, or came to be seen by > others to increase their reputation. Yes, it makes no difference to that milieu of beingness. For only an ego, cognizes an ego in the other. Only a loser, cognizes a loser-other. Only an ignorant cognizes ignorance in an other. > If someone wanted to argue openions he had a great time, his only concern was a true desire to > find who they really were. I trust Maharaj to make those decisions; > certaintly not me, and certaintly not people on this forum. > Sorry 'bout that. Why? What decisions, were you looking to be made, by anybody, anywhere? > > But also he was concerned about the lady that lived under the > stairwell in his building, the local people and the children. > Granted those Masters are hard to live up to, but we can try. John, so long there is an icon to be followed,.............there prevails a sense of distinction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 > ******* Bingo! When you look into your so-called " compassion " > thoroughly, it reeks to high heavens! " Self " -ishness only. > > The most subtle of ego trips disguises itself as " love " . > > Judi It only seems subtle to the ones who want so badly to believe in its subtlety. Otherwise, it's as obvious as an elephant in rose garden. Sort of like the prince who was trippin' on his imaginary purple robe. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Wednesday, November 26, 2003 10:17 PM Re: Compassion > ******* Bingo! When you look into your so-called " compassion " > thoroughly, it reeks to high heavens! " Self " -ishness only. > > The most subtle of ego trips disguises itself as " love " . > > Judi It only seems subtle to the ones who want so badly to believe in its subtlety. Otherwise, it's as obvious as an elephant in rose garden. Sort of like the prince who was trippin' on his imaginary purple robe. -- Dan ******* Yep, enough to gag a maggot! Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Dear John, > > > > What is that position that let you focus on compassion ? Isn't it > the > > position of a Cinderella finally getting her prince? The prince in > > this case is compassion. Who is that entity in you trying to grow > > compassion ? Can thought ever approach it ? > > > > Isn't is better to cut through the imaginary " me " which is the very > > reason that compasion can't blossom than to resort to fancy ideals > > which are just bubbles and lead right away into moral hypocrisy. > > > > Werner > > Why not do both?! > > It can be a good practice to develop compassion along side with the > inquiry. > > Joe Is one not then developing the image that one is trying to approximate? And wouldn't that then, be what one is doing with one's inquiry? Is there any way to cut right through, or is there to be an ongoing, continuing process of development, in which successive images that are considered desirable (such as compassion or insight) are approximated as closely as possible? -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Nisargadatta , " eric paroissien " <vertvetiver@a...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " John Cox " <jcoxco> wrote: > > John you said: > > I trust Maharaj to make those decisions; > > > > certaintly not me, and certaintly not people on this forum. > > > > Sorry 'bout that. > > as Jessica introduced her guru as an authority in the discussions > > even as a small kid i knew in adults there was something phoney about > bringing in an absent authority; it looks so much like humility, > John, and Jess told you so as an answer to this... > it looks so much like humility > and all decisions belong to the absent dead guy, and little value to > the compagnon to the wife to the son to the friend, ... > because we teach our kids very early: > " where will my joy come from certaintly not from you. > Sorry 'bout that. " > this is so rude > > John when you say this you're rude > Jess when you say this you're rude > i prefer the fuck fuck fuck of dear Judi and her .357 > she doesn't dress in satin to make people feel like shit, > she says " hey shithead! " > > well John, Nisargatta cannot be trusted to bring you anything, you're > decision doesn't come from heaven. > i don't owe my joy to nisargadatta > eric Eric -- One of my gurus is Will Blake and he told me that I like your post. After he told me that, I realized that I thought your post was good. When I thought about it a little more, I realized ol' Will is dead. So I said to him, " Damn, Will -- I don't owe my joy to you, so fuck off! " He said, " Cool, Dan -- he who kisses a joy as it flies, lives in eternity's sunrise. So, fuck you too! " I like what you said about rudeness. What you're calling rudeness, I'd probably call an attempt at superiority, by someone who abhors people who try to be superior. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Nisargadatta , " judirhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " judirhodes " <judirhodes@z...> > wrote: > >> > > > > well John, Nisargatta cannot be trusted to bring you anything, > > you're > > > decision doesn't come from heaven. > > > i don't owe my joy to nisargadatta > > > eric > > > > ******** A man after my heart! > > > > Judi > > ************ > > I think I could turn and live with animals, they are so placid and > self-contain'd, > I stand and look at them long and long. > They do not sweat and whine about their condition, > They do not lie awake in the dark and weep for their sins, > They do not make me sick discussing their duty to God, > Not one is dissatisfied, not one is demented with the mania of owning > things, > Not one kneels to another, nor to his kind that lived thousands of > years ago, > Not one is respectable or unhappy over the whole earth. > > *** Whitman " I think heroic deeds were all conceived in the open air " - Whitman - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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