Guest guest Posted December 19, 2003 Report Share Posted December 19, 2003 The question is: Is this a paralel to Jesus? Hablas castellano? Pablo Nisargadatta , " sk000005 " <sk000005> wrote: > ...and what is your point or question or, whatever, advaita12000? > > saludos cordiales > sk000005 > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " advaita12000 " <pinigueza@h...> > wrote: > > I got to this talk by Wayne Liquorman and it helped me to > understand > > the misunderstanding of jesus teaching by his followers, and the > > aparent discrepancies between Nisargadata and Ramesh pointed by > some > > guys. What do you think? > > > > Wayne> Certainly, the organism has memories. > > > > > But you yourself are not those. > > > > Wayne> Well, this is how Maharaj spoke - as a teacher, not as a > > businessmen, not as a beedie merchant. He spoke from the > standpoint > > of Consciousness. He said, " What I am is this Totality. That is > > what I truly am. I am not this limited thing. What I am is awake > > even when I am asleep. What I am was never born and will never > > die. " Maharaj is dead. I've been to where they cremated him. > So, > > he's not talking about the meat, he's talking as a teacher, as a > > pointer to something. Of course, the people sitting around are > > taking it literally; some of them, not all of them. But many, > > especially when he's not there to clear up the confusion, take it > > literally. The notion that is absorbed is that Maharaj, that > > animated piece of meat sitting there, is God, is Consciousness; > > somehow, he's different from everybody else. And that is not the > > case. That organism that we call Nisargadatta Maharaj was born > to > > particular parents, lived, married, had children, had a business, > > and he died. Along the way he talked, and along the way this > event > > that we call enlightenment or awakening happened through him as > > another event in the history of the organism. As a result of that > > event, people came and asked him questions. In order to point to > > the nature of things, he spoke from the standpoint of the > Totality. > > I could do that, if you want, but it's not how I normally conduct > > the talks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2003 Report Share Posted December 20, 2003 And if there is a parallel, what then ? Does that mean you will stick your nose now more often into your bible ? Werner Nisargadatta , " advaita12000 " <pinigueza@h...> wrote: > The question is: Is this a paralel to Jesus? > > Hablas castellano? > > Pablo > > > Nisargadatta , " sk000005 " <sk000005> > wrote: > > ...and what is your point or question or, whatever, advaita12000? > > > > saludos cordiales > > sk000005 > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " advaita12000 " > <pinigueza@h...> > > wrote: > > > I got to this talk by Wayne Liquorman and it helped me to > > understand > > > the misunderstanding of jesus teaching by his followers, and the > > > aparent discrepancies between Nisargadata and Ramesh pointed by > > some > > > guys. What do you think? > > > > > > Wayne> Certainly, the organism has memories. > > > > > > > But you yourself are not those. > > > > > > Wayne> Well, this is how Maharaj spoke - as a teacher, not as a > > > businessmen, not as a beedie merchant. He spoke from the > > standpoint > > > of Consciousness. He said, " What I am is this Totality. That > is > > > what I truly am. I am not this limited thing. What I am is > awake > > > even when I am asleep. What I am was never born and will never > > > die. " Maharaj is dead. I've been to where they cremated him. > > So, > > > he's not talking about the meat, he's talking as a teacher, as a > > > pointer to something. Of course, the people sitting around are > > > taking it literally; some of them, not all of them. But many, > > > especially when he's not there to clear up the confusion, take > it > > > literally. The notion that is absorbed is that Maharaj, that > > > animated piece of meat sitting there, is God, is Consciousness; > > > somehow, he's different from everybody else. And that is not > the > > > case. That organism that we call Nisargadatta Maharaj was born > > to > > > particular parents, lived, married, had children, had a > business, > > > and he died. Along the way he talked, and along the way this > > event > > > that we call enlightenment or awakening happened through him as > > > another event in the history of the organism. As a result of > that > > > event, people came and asked him questions. In order to point > to > > > the nature of things, he spoke from the standpoint of the > > Totality. > > > I could do that, if you want, but it's not how I normally > conduct > > > the talks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2003 Report Share Posted December 20, 2003 Nisargadatta , " advaita12000 " <pinigueza@h...> wrote: > The question is: Is this a paralel to Jesus? > > Hablas castellano? > > Pablo Yes, I see many parallels and not only to the bible and Jesus. I speak Castillian, too. I was born in Segovia, a stone's throw away from Torquemada's old main residence and have been educated by Jesuits 9 years in Germany. But, no fear, Pablo, I'm not the reincarnation of Josef Goebbels. As someone asked here before, what kind of consecuences or conclusion did you draw out of the parallelisms you found between Niz and the bible? sk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2003 Report Share Posted December 22, 2003 Hola sk! Te pregunté si hablabas castellano no por ninguna suspicacia, sino porque para mi es mas fácil hablar en mi lengua materna. Soy chileno y un estudiante de la filosofía Advaita hace algunos años, sin embargo soy bastante duro (para entender), y me siento absolutamente en pañales aún. Por otro lado, quizás simplemente por mi proveniencia cultural, creo, o trato de unir esta enseñanza con el cristianismo. De hecho no me decido a abandonar mi fe, aunque me cuesta encontrar cristianos que no sean dogmáticos o cerrados, y en cuanto a mi adhesión al advaita, les parece a lo menos rara. Nisargadatta para mi es la mejor formulación de esta enseñanza, casi libre de elementos culturales distorsionadores. Ramana tenía algunos elementos que me eran extraños, como el que el corazón espiritual esté al lado derecho (?) Aunque fue mi fuente por mucho tiempo, y me ayudó mucho leer " Pláticas " . Conozco que hay un cura católico que se hizo advaita en la india y tomó el nombre de Abishiktananda, y también un protestante anglicano, que no recuerdo su nombre. Ahora respecto a Wayne, creo que su libro " Acceptance of What Is " es una excelente formulación de la enseñanza Advaita por un occidental, y su planteamiento de no dar preceptos o práctica es muy convincente, pero no lo veo necesariamnete en oposición a las enseñanzas de Nisargadatta como algunos en esta mesa afirman. Ramesh en cambio me parece mas convencional.Bueno no quiero divagar tanto, lo que estoy buscando es alguna guia o acompañamiento en hacer carne la enseñanza advaita. Ah, lo que si me chocó un poco es ver que tanto en esta mesa como en la de Wayne (en www,advaita.org) la pesadez, posando de inteligencia o brillantez, ( " smart " dirían en inglés) parece ser la tónica. Prefiero pasar por tonto que caer en un estilo tan sarcástico de comunicación, al que ya soy proclive por naturaleza, pero que trato de evitar (no me estoy refiriendo a tus mensajes, sino a algunos otros) Saludos, Pablo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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