Guest guest Posted December 22, 2003 Report Share Posted December 22, 2003 Dear Pete, Nisargadatta , pete seesaw <seesaw1us> wrote: Dear friend, Thank you for the nice story. Visions and sounds are the product of the mind. Visions of God, are just visions. Words from God are just words. When we're entranced by the dancing shadows, we have our backs to the light. Movement holds our attention, and the stillness, the absolute immobility of That goes unnoticed. So shifting attention to that which pays attention is a step in the right direction. " I am that by which I know I am. " Nisargadatta. Pete KKT: If the vision of the deva by the monk is just a vision then I agree with you that the story is trivial as you stated << Visions and sounds are the product of the mind >> But in this story, the deva is << real >> since the food the monk took is << real >> :-)) So this story must have another meaning ? :-)) Another Zen koan: (I know you enjoy Zen koans, Pete :-)) A Zen Master was sitting in his hut with his attendant monk. Looking at the ground, he saw a white spot. The Master asked the monk: __Do you see? The monk answered: __Yes, I see. The Master said: __I see and you also see. Why one is enlightened and the other is not? KKT ============= phamdluan2000 <phamdluan@a...> wrote: Dear Pete, J_Krishnamurti , pete seesaw wrote: Two monks were discussing the merits of their respective masters. " I know my master is enlightened because when he steps outside, birds pay attention to him. They sing and flowers bow his way. What greater sign could there be? " " My master is even greater. All things ignore him, but he doesn't ignore the smallest thing. No matter how insignificant the task, he gives it complete attention. " Pete KKT: Another Zen story: The Master worried about one of his monks who had locked himself up in his hut for already one week to do meditation without showing even to take his daily meals. So he sent a monk to enquiry. This monk went and brought back the recluse to the Master who asked: __What did you do and why didn't you show up to take your meals? The monk said: __I've meditated all day long and since there was a deva (ie. a god) who appeared every day and offered me food so I needed not to show up to take my meals. Hearing the story, the Master couldn't contain his anger and he shouted at the monk: __You stupid with your meditation! Now I tell you, go meditate again and if ever the god still appears this time to offer you food, you will see the punishment I reserve to you! So the monk returned to his hut. Some days had passed and then he showed up telling the Master: __This time I've meditated and there was no god who appeared to give me alms. The Master was very pleased with this answer and he told the monk: __This time you were really successful with your meditation. Any comment, Pete? :-)) KKT Words must be used like stepping stones: lightly and with nimbleness, because if you step on them too heavily, you incur the danger of falling into the intellectual mire of logic and reason. - Balsekar ********************************* AdvaitaToZen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2003 Report Share Posted December 22, 2003 phamdluan2000 <phamdluan wrote: Dear friend, Thank you for the nice story. Visions and sounds are the product of the mind. Visions of God, are just visions. Words from God are just words. When we're entranced by the dancing shadows, we have our backs to the light. Movement holds our attention, and the stillness, the absolute immobility of That goes unnoticed. So shifting attention to that which pays attention is a step in the right direction. " I am that by which I know I am. " Nisargadatta. Pete Dear KKT, KKT: If the vision of the deva by the monk is just a vision then I agree with you that the story is trivial as you stated << Visions and sounds are the product of the mind >> Where did I state the story was trivial? Isn't this triviality also an imaginary deva offering you poisonous food? KKT:But in this story, the deva is << real >> since the food the monk took is << real >> :-)) So this story must have another meaning ? :-)) P:Can a character in a story be <real?l> Do you believe in Devas? Another Zen koan: (I know you enjoy Zen koans, Pete :-)) A Zen Master was sitting in his hut with his attendant monk. Looking at the ground, he saw a white spot. The Master asked the monk: __Do you see? The monk answered: __Yes, I see. The Master said: __I see and you also see. Why one is enlightened and the other is not? KKT P: There were three in the room. ONE was enlightened, the other two were not. Pete ============= phamdluan2000 wrote: Dear Pete, J_Krishnamurti , pete seesaw wrote: Two monks were discussing the merits of their respective masters. " I know my master is enlightened because when he steps outside, birds pay attention to him. They sing and flowers bow his way. What greater sign could there be? " " My master is even greater. All things ignore him, but he doesn't ignore the smallest thing. No matter how insignificant the task, he gives it complete attention. " Pete KKT: Another Zen story: The Master worried about one of his monks who had locked himself up in his hut for already one week to do meditation without showing even to take his daily meals. So he sent a monk to enquiry. This monk went and brought back the recluse to the Master who asked: __What did you do and why didn't you show up to take your meals? The monk said: __I've meditated all day long and since there was a deva (ie. a god) who appeared every day and offered me food so I needed not to show up to take my meals. Hearing the story, the Master couldn't contain his anger and he shouted at the monk: __You stupid with your meditation! Now I tell you, go meditate again and if ever the god still appears this time to offer you food, you will see the punishment I reserve to you! So the monk returned to his hut. Some days had passed and then he showed up telling the Master: __This time I've meditated and there was no god who appeared to give me alms. The Master was very pleased with this answer and he told the monk: __This time you were really successful with your meditation. Any comment, Pete? :-)) KKT Words must be used like stepping stones: lightly and with nimbleness, because if you step on them too heavily, you incur the danger of falling into the intellectual mire of logic and reason. - Balsekar ********************************* AdvaitaToZen Words must be used like stepping stones: lightly and with nimbleness, because if you step on them too heavily, you incur the danger of falling into the intellectual mire of logic and reason. - Balsekar ********************************* AdvaitaToZen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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