RE: A question received at the Nisargadatta.net/Sandeep

[Guest guest]

Hi sandeep.

 

That's an interesting question---

I presume I was being unnecessarily modest by claiming to be a

greenhorn----

And modesty already reeks of egotism...what am i--greenhorn or

purplesnout --I don't know---

Like ramna said, one does not know the state of one's spirit---

And one need not...

Because any standard is false and unnecessary.

 

While ploughing through these lists---

I found several people so " clued in " ---

They were superspecialists of the spiritual realm...

They were tearing apart and piecing together concepts,experiences,

Ideas, gurus---it seemed like there had been nothing left unsaid--

Yet there was this non-mechanical and fresh and sincere aspect and some

thing so nice

About some....

It was all so new to me--this entire way of functioning---

And that is probably why,

 

But expression is only one aspect of truth isn't it?

If one read ramana(who I feel so drawn to)..

His words, in isolation, might seem so simple ...

But what it adds up to, and what is left unsaid are phenomenal...

They are so interesting...these unsaid parts of life.

They probably total up to the silence of the universe.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

sandeep [sandeepc]

Friday, January 02, 2004 5:56 PM

Nisargadatta

Re: A question received at the Nisargadatta.net

 

 

 

 

 

> > -

> > <suchitra.sathyanarayan

> > <Nisargadatta >

> > Thursday, January 01, 2004 05:10 PM

> > RE: A question received at the

> > Nisargadatta.net

> >

> >

> > > Hi sandeep.:-)

> > >

> > > At wipro there's so much work to be done..

 

 

I thought at Wipro, it's one big goofing away.:-)

 

 

> > > I do mine in spurts(I really do---in case mr.premji is secretly

> > > d to this list:-))

 

 

:-)

 

 

> > > ...

> > > But what I've been doing off late when the rest of my team was

> > > holidaying, was to gorge on the mail archives Of a net of jewels

> > > and nisargadatta...

> > >

> > > That probably explains " it " :-)

> > > Yours truly is a spiritual greenhorn btw.

 

 

 

How would you know?

 

What is the contrasting standard, against which you regression-test, the

software?

 

And would that evaluation be anything more than that,....a relativity to

a self conceived assumption?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

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<suchitra.sathyanarayan

<Nisargadatta >

Friday, January 02, 2004 06:10 PM

RE: A question received at the

Nisargadatta.net/Sandeep

 

 

> Hi sandeep.

>

> That's an interesting question---

> I presume I was being unnecessarily modest by claiming to be a

> greenhorn----

> And modesty already reeks of egotism...

 

Yes.

 

Modesty and pride/arrogance, whether couched with spiritual

overtones,........assumes a discrete self which is supposed to be " modest "

or " pridey " , isn't it?

 

Humility, is the flavour of the milieu of an existing,........ where there

is a total absence of concern,.......a complete indifference, to the

judgment/conclusion/indictment of the observing audience/of the relating

other,........judgment as " humble " OR " not-humble " .

 

Claim of humility, is no different to claim of greatness or sagacity, or

Gurudom, or enlightened mastery.

 

 

 

 

>what am i--greenhorn or

> purplesnout --

 

Purplesnout!!!

LOL

That's a good one.

 

 

>I don't know---

 

Yes,............this " don't know " ,...................is the

availability,..............is the vacancy.

 

Bodhidharma, in front of Emperor Wu of China,.....Wu has listed all the

tremendous acts of charities he has done, all the profoundly acts of

kindness and succor and compassion, he has extended to the subjects of his

vast

empire.

Wu, after presenting his report card, then asks Bodhidharma, " Is my place in

Heaven now ensured? "

 

Bodhidharma replies " You will burn in 7 Hells. "

 

Shocked Wu, asks " May I know, to whom do I speak, right now? "

 

Bodhidharma replied " I don't know "

 

When there is a conceptualization,... (as an answer to the question of " Who

am I " ), whether the conceptualization exists as mentation or articulated,

and whether the conceptualization ranges from " eternal infinite

Consciousness "

or " Purplesnout-Guru of the Nisargadatta-tic lineage " or " a green-horn

spiritual seeker " or " ace-software-developer " , .......or whatever,.....

 

.......it's all hoopla.

 

The intuitive apperception of the irrelevance of the question, the

intuitive grasping, (without a " grasper " thereof),.......that when I am

ALL,.........to whom, (who is not-I), can I pose that

question,........thereby the utter irrelevance of the very need to seek an

answer to the question,.....and thus the cessation of the question (which is

not through an answer)....

 

....it is the negation of the negator.

 

And to see that in the very stating as above,........another

conceptualization has emerged.:-)

 

 

 

> Like ramna said, one does not know the state of one's spirit---

> And one need not...

> Because any standard is false and unnecessary.

 

Any conceived standard is an arising conceptualization.

And the start of a hoopla.

 

 

 

>

> While ploughing through these lists---

> I found several people so " clued in " ---

> They were superspecialists of the spiritual realm...

> They were tearing apart and piecing together concepts,experiences,

> Ideas, gurus---it seemed like there had been nothing left unsaid--

> Yet there was this non-mechanical and fresh and sincere aspect and some

> thing so nice

> About some....

> It was all so new to me--this entire way of functioning---

> And that is probably why,

>

> But expression is only one aspect of truth isn't it?

> If one read ramana(who I feel so drawn to)..

> His words, in isolation, might seem so simple ...

> But what it adds up to, and what is left unsaid are phenomenal...

> They are so interesting...these unsaid parts of life.

> They probably total up to the silence of the universe.

 

Yes.

 

It is interesting,..... the growing discovery of Ramana in the I.T. world of

Bangalore.

 

Some others, appear to be getting their teeth into the dude in the

diaper.:-)