Guest guest Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 Hi Eric, I was searching for a text by Ibn Arabi and found it again. If you substitute " He " with " the Self " then it gets amazing. Hope you like it. Werner (Excerpts from " The One Alone, " a treatise by 13th-century Sufi master Muhyiddin Ibn 'Arabi). Know that He is never in anything, nor is anything in Him. He is neither inside nor outside of anything. None can see Him, whether with the eyes of the head or with the inner eye; nor can any conceive Him with senses, knowledge, mind, intelligence or imagination. Only He can see Himself; only He can conceive Himself. None can know Him; only He can know Himself. He sees Himself by Himself; He conceives Himself by Himself; He knows Himself by Himself. None other than He can see Him. None other than He can know Him. That which hides Him is His oneness. None but Himself can hide Him. The veil that hides Him is His own being. He is not within you; nor are you in Him. He does not exclude you, nor are you excluded from Him. When you are addressed as you, do not think that you exist, with an essence and qualities and attributes; for you never existed, nor do exist, nor ever will exist. You have not entered into Him, nor He into you. Without being, your essence is with Him and in Him. Without having any identity, you are Him and He is you. If you know yourself as nothing, then you truly know your Lord. Otherwise, you truly know Him not. That is why the utterance became permissible for Mansur Al- Hallaj when the words, " I am the Truth! " came from his lips; and for Abu Yazid Al-Bistami when he cried, " Praise be to Me, the essence, absolved of all defect! " These are not people who have annihilated themselves in Allah; nor have they come to be in Allah. They are eternal. They never ceased to be, for they never were, since there is only Allah's self, Allah's essence. So if someone says, " I am the Truth!, " do not hear it from any other than from the Truth Himself; for it is not a man who says it, it is the word of Allah. That man who utters these words is nothing but an image reflected in an empty mirror, one of the infinite attributes of Allah. The reflection is the same as that which is being reflected, and the words of the image are the reflected words of the Real One. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > Hi Eric, > > I was searching for a text by Ibn Arabi and found it again. If you > substitute " He " with " the Self " then it gets amazing. > > Hope you like it. > > Werner > and i was just reading it 15 minutes ago!!!!! because of Pete's sharp google search at the sangha list; Pete that was a neat job, you're the man. Werner, thank you, it is even more beautiful with Him as a center... i am on the tracks of Ibn Arabi and i'll get him at the local library. eric > > (Excerpts from " The One Alone, " a treatise by 13th-century Sufi > master Muhyiddin Ibn 'Arabi). > > Know that He is never in anything, nor is anything in Him. > He is neither inside nor outside of anything. > > None can see Him, whether with the eyes of the head or with the inner > eye; > nor can any conceive Him with senses, knowledge, mind, intelligence > or imagination. > > Only He can see Himself; only He can conceive Himself. > None can know Him; only He can know Himself. > He sees Himself by Himself; He conceives Himself by Himself; > > He knows Himself by Himself. > None other than He can see Him. > None other than He can know Him. > That which hides Him is His oneness. > None but Himself can hide Him. > The veil that hides Him is His own being. > > He is not within you; nor are you in Him. > > He does not exclude you, nor are you excluded from Him. > > When you are addressed as you, do not think that you exist, with an > essence and qualities and attributes; > for you never existed, nor do exist, nor ever will exist. > > You have not entered into Him, nor He into you. > > Without being, your essence is with Him and in Him. > > Without having any identity, you are Him and He is you. > If you know yourself as nothing, then you truly know your Lord. > Otherwise, you truly know Him not. > > > That is why the utterance became permissible for Mansur Al- Hallaj > when the words, " I am the Truth! " came from his lips; > and for Abu Yazid Al-Bistami when he cried, " Praise be to Me, the > essence, absolved of all defect! " > > These are not people who have annihilated themselves in Allah; nor > have they come to be in Allah. They are eternal. They never ceased to > be, for they never were, since there is only Allah's self, Allah's > essence. > > So if someone says, " I am the Truth!, " do not hear it from any other > than from the Truth Himself; > for it is not a man who says it, it is the word of Allah. > > That man who utters these words is nothing but an image reflected in > an empty mirror, one of the infinite attributes of Allah. > > The reflection is the same as that which is being reflected, and the > words of the image are the reflected words of the Real One. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 > and i was just reading it 15 minutes ago!!!!! because of Pete's sharp > google search at the sangha list; > Pete that was a neat job, you're the man. > Werner, thank you, it is even more beautiful with Him as a center... > i am on the tracks of Ibn Arabi and i'll get him at the local library. > eric Speaking of coincidences. I had never heard of Ibn Arabi before I saw him just the other day here: http://www.integralscience.org/sacredscience/SS_play.html He is quoted a few times there. I was struck by the quotes of his and was wondering, " Who is this guy? " Guess Werner heard me... That page is very interesting btw. Very very. Bill - " eric paroissien " <brahmanshines <Nisargadatta > Saturday, January 24, 2004 5:04 PM Re: Ibn Arabi/Eric > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> > wrote: > > Hi Eric, > > > > I was searching for a text by Ibn Arabi and found it again. If you > > substitute " He " with " the Self " then it gets amazing. > > > > Hope you like it. > > > > Werner > > > > and i was just reading it 15 minutes ago!!!!! because of Pete's sharp > google search at the sangha list; > Pete that was a neat job, you're the man. > Werner, thank you, it is even more beautiful with Him as a center... > i am on the tracks of Ibn Arabi and i'll get him at the local library. > eric > > > > (Excerpts from " The One Alone, " a treatise by 13th-century Sufi > > master Muhyiddin Ibn 'Arabi). > > > > Know that He is never in anything, nor is anything in Him. > > He is neither inside nor outside of anything. > > > > None can see Him, whether with the eyes of the head or with the > inner > > eye; > > nor can any conceive Him with senses, knowledge, mind, intelligence > > or imagination. > > > > Only He can see Himself; only He can conceive Himself. > > None can know Him; only He can know Himself. > > He sees Himself by Himself; He conceives Himself by Himself; > > > > He knows Himself by Himself. > > None other than He can see Him. > > None other than He can know Him. > > That which hides Him is His oneness. > > None but Himself can hide Him. > > The veil that hides Him is His own being. > > > > He is not within you; nor are you in Him. > > > > He does not exclude you, nor are you excluded from Him. > > > > When you are addressed as you, do not think that you exist, with an > > essence and qualities and attributes; > > for you never existed, nor do exist, nor ever will exist. > > > > You have not entered into Him, nor He into you. > > > > Without being, your essence is with Him and in Him. > > > > Without having any identity, you are Him and He is you. > > If you know yourself as nothing, then you truly know your Lord. > > Otherwise, you truly know Him not. > > > > > > That is why the utterance became permissible for Mansur Al- Hallaj > > when the words, " I am the Truth! " came from his lips; > > and for Abu Yazid Al-Bistami when he cried, " Praise be to Me, the > > essence, absolved of all defect! " > > > > These are not people who have annihilated themselves in Allah; nor > > have they come to be in Allah. They are eternal. They never ceased > to > > be, for they never were, since there is only Allah's self, Allah's > > essence. > > > > So if someone says, " I am the Truth!, " do not hear it from any > other > > than from the Truth Himself; > > for it is not a man who says it, it is the word of Allah. > > > > That man who utters these words is nothing but an image reflected > in > > an empty mirror, one of the infinite attributes of Allah. > > > > The reflection is the same as that which is being reflected, and > the > > words of the image are the reflected words of the Real One. > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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