Guest guest Posted January 26, 2004 Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 We fret, fume and plan eager to say, write and do just the right thing but since there is only Now there can be only effortlessness. BTW, I used to have fighting fish but guppies fry up much nicer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2004 Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 Nisargadatta , " trem23 " <inmadison@h...> wrote: > We fret, fume and plan eager to say, write and do just the right > thing but since there is only Now there can be only effortlessness. > > BTW, I used to have fighting fish but guppies fry up much nicer. Hi trem, Is it your belief that is possible to consciously live in the Now? And do you think that it is possible for the mind to experience effortlessness? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 > Is it your belief that is possible to consciously live in the Now? > > And do you think that it is possible for the mind to experience > effortlessness? Effort comes about when there is something to achieve in an imaginary future. Take away future, take away time, and where did the " efforting " go? The feeling of making an effort is a symptom denying the Now. Fully accept " what is " right now, and where is effort? Effort is simply resistance to " what is. " Without resistance, things return to their simple state, which is the absence of effort. To try to achieve a state of non-effort is actually making an effort, denying the moment in favor of something better somewhere in the imaginary future. So there is no path to the effortless. Only understanding shows what's already there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 Nisargadatta , " m_e_cobb " <michael@p...> wrote: > > Is it your belief that is possible to consciously live in the Now? > > > > And do you think that it is possible for the mind to experience > > effortlessness? > > Effort comes about when there is something to achieve in an imaginary > future. Take away future, take away time, and where did > the " efforting " go? The feeling of making an effort is a symptom > denying the Now. It is generally accepted that what is called the mind...can never be privy to the 'Now'.....in that it takes about a half of a second to assimulate incoming information...Do you have any thoughts what sort of mechanism in which the proposed acceptance could occur? Fully accept " what is " right now, and where is > effort? Effort is simply resistance to " what is. " Without resistance, > things return to their simple state, The existence of separate 'things' occurs only in the mind...'They' have no original state...It is the mind that creates them. They have no independent existential reality..... which is the absence of effort. > > To try to achieve a state of non-effort is actually making an effort, > denying the moment in favor of something better somewhere in the > imaginary future. So there is no path to the effortless. Only > understanding shows what's already there. Where, in your opinion, is the location of this 'understanding'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2003 " <toombaru2003> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " m_e_cobb " <michael@p...> wrote: > > > Is it your belief that is possible to consciously live in the Now? > > > > > > And do you think that it is possible for the mind to experience > > > effortlessness? > > > > Effort comes about when there is something to achieve in an > imaginary > > future. Take away future, take away time, and where did > > the " efforting " go? The feeling of making an effort is a symptom > > denying the Now. > > > It is generally accepted that what is called the mind...can never be > privy to the 'Now'.....in that it takes about a half of a second to > assimulate incoming information...Do you have any thoughts what sort > of mechanism in which the proposed acceptance could occur? Fully accept " what is " right now, and where is > > effort? Effort is simply resistance to " what is. " Without > resistance, > > things return to their simple state, > > > > > > The existence of separate 'things' occurs only in the mind...'They' > have no original state...It is the mind that creates them. They have > no independent existential reality..... > > > which is the absence of effort. > > > > To try to achieve a state of non-effort is actually making an > effort, > > denying the moment in favor of something better somewhere in the > > imaginary future. So there is no path to the effortless. Only > > understanding shows what's already there. > > > > > > Where, in your opinion, is the location of this 'understanding'? As I stated, there can be no path to effortlessness. It is already there. I'm afraid I have nothing to add to that, and I did not mean to start a debate over philosophical concepts. You bring up some interesting points. Perhaps someone more versed in philosophy would like to debate with you. All of that is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 Nisargadatta , " m_e_cobb " <michael@p...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2003 " > <toombaru2003> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " m_e_cobb " <michael@p...> > wrote: > > > > Is it your belief that is possible to consciously live in the > Now? > > > > > > > > And do you think that it is possible for the mind to > experience > > > > effortlessness? > > > > > > Effort comes about when there is something to achieve in an > > imaginary > > > future. Take away future, take away time, and where did > > > the " efforting " go? The feeling of making an effort is a symptom > > > denying the Now. > > > > > > It is generally accepted that what is called the mind...can never > be > > privy to the 'Now'.....in that it takes about a half of a second > to > > assimulate incoming information...Do you have any thoughts what > sort > > of mechanism in which the proposed acceptance could occur? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fully accept " what is " right now, and where is > > > effort? Effort is simply resistance to " what is. " Without > > resistance, > > > things return to their simple state, > > > > > > > > > > > > The existence of separate 'things' occurs only in the > mind...'They' > > have no original state...It is the mind that creates them. They > have > > no independent existential reality..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is the absence of effort. > > > > > > To try to achieve a state of non-effort is actually making an > > effort, > > > denying the moment in favor of something better somewhere in the > > > imaginary future. So there is no path to the effortless. Only > > > understanding shows what's already there. > > > > > > > > > > > > Where, in your opinion, is the location of this 'understanding'? > > As I stated, there can be no path to effortlessness. It is already > there. I'm afraid I have nothing to add to that, and I did not mean > to start a debate over philosophical concepts. You bring up some > interesting points. Perhaps someone more versed in philosophy would > like to debate with you. All of that is beyond me. Oh...my friend....I was not debating.... I was playing in concepts. The things you talk about...have bounced around this mind for many years....(with no resolution.....:-) ........and 'all if that is beyond me' too. All of that is beyond mind.......but it is kinda fun to hold hands and look.....over the edge...... .......its fun to watch (my) mind get dizzy.....and make a hasty retreat to safer, familiar ground....... .....it really doesn't like these ideas......LOL Thank you for the exchange. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 Nisargadatta , " m_e_cobb " <michael@p...> wrote: snip > As I stated, there can be no path to effortlessness. It is already > there. I'm afraid I have nothing to add to that, and I did not mean > to start a debate over philosophical concepts. You bring up some > interesting points. Perhaps someone more versed in philosophy would > like to debate with you. All of that is beyond me. dear friend, when you start a point with " as i stated " you are being a philosopher; you claim your past opinions. eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 > Thank you for the exchange. > > > > toombaru My pleasure. I simply wanted to share something that I had seen, which in this case was the resolution to my struggle with effort. Yes, concepts make for a good dizzy spell. Have a wonderful day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 Nisargadatta , " eric paroissien " <brahmanshines@a...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " m_e_cobb " <michael@p...> wrote: > > snip > > > As I stated, there can be no path to effortlessness. It is already > > there. I'm afraid I have nothing to add to that, and I did not mean > > to start a debate over philosophical concepts. You bring up some > > interesting points. Perhaps someone more versed in philosophy would > > like to debate with you. All of that is beyond me. > > dear friend, when you start a point with " as i stated " you are being > a philosopher; you claim your past opinions. > eric Philosophers claim their past opinions? I suppose I have made a serious error. Forget what I said. I claim nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 Nisargadatta , " m_e_cobb " <michael@p...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " eric paroissien " > <brahmanshines@a...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " m_e_cobb " <michael@p...> > wrote: > > > > snip > > > > > As I stated, there can be no path to effortlessness. It is > already > > > there. I'm afraid I have nothing to add to that, and I did not > mean > > > to start a debate over philosophical concepts. You bring up some > > > interesting points. Perhaps someone more versed in philosophy > would > > > like to debate with you. All of that is beyond me. > > > > dear friend, when you start a point with " as i stated " you are > being > > a philosopher; you claim your past opinions. > > eric > > Philosophers claim their past opinions? I suppose I have made a > serious error. Forget what I said. I claim nothing. nothing heard here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 Yipes! Making an effort against making an effort... now, there's a double-bind for ya... yowser... be where... Nisargadatta , " m_e_cobb " <michael@p...> wrote: > > Thank you for the exchange. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > My pleasure. I simply wanted to share something that I had seen, > which in this case was the resolution to my struggle with effort. > Yes, concepts make for a good dizzy spell. Have a wonderful day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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