Guest guest Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Calm the rough waters of your mind, and you will be able to contemplate, reflected on it, the universe. http://www.sheilah.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Sheilah " <sheilah@s...> wrote: > > Calm the rough waters of your mind, and you will be able to contemplate, > reflected on it, the universe. > > http://www.sheilah.net Is there a method that you recommend? This beggard approaches this wealthy woman and says, " Lady, I haven't eaten in two days. " She looks at him and says, " Gosh, I wish I had your willpower! " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 > > Calm the rough waters of your mind, and you will be able to > contemplate, > > reflected on it, the universe. > > > > http://www.sheilah.net > > Is there a method that you recommend? I understand you can calm waters by pouring oil upon them. Hmmmm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 Pete: Is there a method that you recommend? Bill: I understand you can calm waters by pouring oil upon them. Hmmmmm.... sk: You are a poet, Bill, an artist! What's your method? P.S. The only thing I recommend is meditation and nothing else. Despite of my zennish background, I don't recommend any kind of formalisms. I think everyone will find his/her way to meditate. So, Bill, tell me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 > Pete: Is there a method that you recommend? > > Bill: I understand you can calm waters by pouring oil upon them. > Hmmmmm.... > > sk: You are a poet, Bill, an artist! What's your method? sk, you are a riot on wheels. My method? Distilled insanity confined to a very small space such the reverberation of its intense percolation resonates throughout and creates " mystical vibrations " that fill the entirety of space with joyous effulgence. So there... you did ask. > P.S. The only thing I recommend is meditation and nothing else. > Despite of my zennish background, I don't recommend any kind of > formalisms. To me the essence of zen is absence of formalisms. " A special transmission outside the scriptures, " yes? That to me means outside formalisms also. All that zazen stuff is like jazercise classes as far as I am concerned. You know, for those that want to be on " a plan " . > I think everyone will find his/her way to meditate. Absolutely. We are constantly meditating. We just need to wake up to realize that. > So, Bill, tell me! Have I told you? : ) Don't think I have anything to tell you that you don't already know sk. I mean, " distilled insanity " seems to be something you have already got your own patent on. : )) Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 Bill wrote: To me the essence of zen is absence of formalisms. gassho sk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 Haiku: Dark night, Moon reflects in water If moon is gone - water is gone Werner Nisargadatta , " Sheilah " <sheilah@s...> wrote: > > Calm the rough waters of your mind, and you will be able to contemplate, > reflected on it, the universe. > > http://www.sheilah.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " Sheilah " <sheilah@s...> wrote: > > > > Calm the rough waters of your mind, and you will be able to > contemplate, > > reflected on it, the universe. > > > > http://www.sheilah.net > > Is there a method that you recommend? > > This beggard approaches this wealthy woman and says, > " Lady, I haven't eaten in two days. " > She looks at him and says, " Gosh, I wish I had your willpower! " Whassup, sk? I am fascinated by this conundrum you have planted. It is most peculiar. peace danananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > > > Calm the rough waters of your mind, and you will be able to > > contemplate, > > > reflected on it, the universe. > > > > > > http://www.sheilah.net > > > > Is there a method that you recommend? > > I understand you can calm waters by pouring oil upon them. > > Hmmmm... Hi there, Bill Alas. Another conundrum. I feel like I've passed thru the looking- glass. Yours Danananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 << Alas. Another conundrum. I feel like I've passed thru the looking- glass. >> Welcome. We are programmed to receive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 Nisargadatta , " sk000005 " <sk000005> wrote: > Pete: Is there a method that you recommend? > > Bill: I understand you can calm waters by pouring oil upon them. > Hmmmmm.... > > sk: You are a poet, Bill, an artist! What's your method? > > > > > P.S. The only thing I recommend is meditation and nothing else. > Despite of my zennish background, I don't recommend any kind of > formalisms. I think everyone will find his/her way to meditate. > So, Bill, tell me! hi, again, sk Sometimes meditation can become a hindrance. When meditation becomes another form of seeking, it can be just as big an obstacle to freedom as any other attachment. Meditation, (whatever that word means), has to be all the time, 24/7. If meditation becomes a conceptual state which one goes in & out of, then it is no longer meditation, but merely another illusory state of mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > > Pete: Is there a method that you recommend? > > > > Bill: I understand you can calm waters by pouring oil upon them. > > Hmmmmm.... > > > > sk: You are a poet, Bill, an artist! What's your method? > sk, you are a riot on wheels. > > My method? Distilled insanity confined to a very small space > such the reverberation of its intense percolation resonates > throughout and creates " mystical vibrations " that fill the > entirety of space with joyous effulgence. > > So there... you did ask. > > > P.S. The only thing I recommend is meditation and nothing else. > > Despite of my zennish background, I don't recommend any kind of > > formalisms. > To me the essence of zen is absence of formalisms. > " A special transmission outside the scriptures, " yes? > That to me means outside formalisms also. > All that zazen stuff is like jazercise classes as far as I am concerned. > You know, for those that want to be on " a plan " . > > > I think everyone will find his/her way to meditate. > Absolutely. We are constantly meditating. > We just need to wake up to realize that. > > > So, Bill, tell me! > Have I told you? : ) > > Don't think I have anything to tell you that you don't already know sk. > I mean, " distilled insanity " seems to be something you have already > got your own patent on. > > : )) > Bill Hey, Bill " Distilled insanity " ? " Mystical vibrations " ? " The reverberation of its intense percolation resonates throughout " ? Is this, like, some kinda Beat Zen poesy? Danananda da Dharma Bum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 > hi, again, sk > > Sometimes meditation can become a hindrance. When meditation becomes > another form of seeking, it can be just as big an obstacle to freedom > as any other attachment. Meditation, (whatever that word means), has > to be all the time, 24/7. If meditation becomes a conceptual state > which one goes in & out of, then it is no longer meditation, but > merely another illusory state of mind. sk: Indeed. Experienced guys like you know, of course, already all that. A " hard-core-advaitin " stays at least 24/7/365 in an unillusory state of mind...but only, as long as he can keep his mouth shut. Meditation means the opposite of chatter or comparable activities. Can't offer you a rigid definition. The only thing needed, in my opinion, is to be silent. I agree with you that meditation is a " 24/7 thingy " but, somehow someone has to begin with something. sk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 > Sometimes meditation can become a hindrance. When meditation becomes > another form of seeking, it can be just as big an obstacle to freedom > as any other attachment. Meditation, (whatever that word means), has > to be all the time, 24/7. If meditation becomes a conceptual state > which one goes in & out of, then it is no longer meditation, but > merely another illusory state of mind. Absolutely. 24/7 If there is a going in/out then there is " ownership " , and hence illusion. If meditation is something " one does " then is illusion. Sometimes I may feel a need to stop and let myself " gel " . I might lay down and then go into a trance. I could call that meditation, but it is not an intentional activity for a purpose of elevating my spiritual awareness. I am just resting from activity to allow the system to reintegrate. So the term " meditation " can be used in different ways. Ramana and Krishnamurti speak of meditation in ways that align with your comments Danananda. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 > " Distilled insanity " ? " Mystical vibrations " ? " The reverberation of > its intense percolation resonates throughout " ? > > Is this, like, some kinda Beat Zen poesy? You betcha Bud. Can ya dig it? Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 Excellent! Thanks, Werner. Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > Haiku: > > Dark night, > Moon reflects in water > If moon is gone - water is gone > > Werner > > Nisargadatta , " Sheilah " <sheilah@s...> wrote: > > > > Calm the rough waters of your mind, and you will be able to > contemplate, > > reflected on it, the universe. > > > > http://www.sheilah.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 Sheila, I recommend that you send your " one-liners for the day " to the SufiMystic list. There are many people on that list that aren't so " advanced " as on this list, and that would really be able to benefit from your soft, gentle wisdom. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > Sheila, > > I recommend that you send your " one-liners for the day " > to the SufiMystic list. There are many people on that list > that aren't so " advanced " as on this list, and that would > really be able to benefit from your soft, gentle wisdom. > > Bill Hmm! Do I smell a whisp of spiritual pride? Do we know for sure how advanced everyone is? There are 450 members here. Even if we presume all posters are above learning anything from Sheilah, I think she is stimulating some very intersting debate. So Sheilah I nominate you MVP. Must valuable Poster, and I invite you join advaitatozen list too. Thank you and keep posting away, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 Pete wrote: > Hmm! Do I smell a whisp of spiritual pride? What me spiritual pride! No way Jose! I am totally humble... BTW... am very amused by your response as was tempted in writing that post to put an aside to you about the " advanced " ... You are getting predictable Pete, pretty scary. Also, " advanced " in quotes means " so-called advanced " , which only means those " consider themselves as such " . So okay, all clear now, right? As for you and me Pete, I believe we are in fierce competition for low man on the totem pole, yes? Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 Nisargadatta , " sk000005 " <sk000005> wrote: > > hi, again, sk > > > > Sometimes meditation can become a hindrance. When meditation > becomes > > another form of seeking, it can be just as big an obstacle to > freedom > > as any other attachment. Meditation, (whatever that word means), > has > > to be all the time, 24/7. If meditation becomes a conceptual state > > which one goes in & out of, then it is no longer meditation, but > > merely another illusory state of mind. > > > sk: Indeed. Experienced guys like you know, of course, already all > that. A " hard-core-advaitin " stays at least 24/7/365 in an unillusory > state of mind...but only, as long as he can keep his mouth shut. > > Meditation means the opposite of chatter or comparable activities. > Can't offer you a rigid definition. The only thing needed, in my > opinion, is to be silent. > > I agree with you that meditation is a " 24/7 thingy " but, somehow > someone has to begin with something. > > sk sk: Right. Good points. For those starting out, seeking is not only necessary but a prerequisite. We start out restlessly seeking; we end up at peace. The whole of " meditation " is to realize the one who is seeking. The seeking one turns out to be THAT which is sought. Then, the binary oppositional framework of the illusory mind breaks down & sat-chit- ananda (being-awareness-bliss) fills the void. It works every time. peace Danananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > > Sometimes meditation can become a hindrance. When meditation becomes > > another form of seeking, it can be just as big an obstacle to freedom > > as any other attachment. Meditation, (whatever that word means), has > > to be all the time, 24/7. If meditation becomes a conceptual state > > which one goes in & out of, then it is no longer meditation, but > > merely another illusory state of mind. > > Absolutely. 24/7 > > If there is a going in/out then there is " ownership " , and hence > illusion. > > If meditation is something " one does " then is illusion. > > Sometimes I may feel a need to stop and let myself " gel " . > I might lay down and then go into a trance. I could call > that meditation, but it is not an intentional activity for > a purpose of elevating my spiritual awareness. I am just > resting from activity to allow the system to reintegrate. > So the term " meditation " can be used in different ways. > > Ramana and Krishnamurti speak of meditation in ways that > align with your comments Danananda. > > Bill Yes. " Meditation " is realizing the one who seeks. Then, the seeking stops & meditation is one's natural being. I am meditating even now. Constantly. The seeking mind or vasanas (mental habits conditioned over one's physical lifetime) continue to arise, even after realization. By meditating, these tendencies become neutralized thru vigilant observance. The result is a bliss-like awareness that all IS one. I like Ramana & J. Krishnamurti. They made some good points in their day. There's another Krishnamurti, a U.G., who tickles me. He is the anti-guru; a kind of spiritual terrorist. I like to read him from time to time on the Net. He makes me laff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > > " Distilled insanity " ? " Mystical vibrations " ? " The reverberation of > > its intense percolation resonates throughout " ? > > > > Is this, like, some kinda Beat Zen poesy? > You betcha Bud. Can ya dig it? > > Bill Oh, hell, yes. I'm a Dharma Bum from way back when... p.s. Didju ever git dem Mexico City Blues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 > p.s. Didju ever git dem Mexico City Blues? Am guessing is a Kerouac reference. Never read Kerouac. I do remember one bit of beat poetry from my college days: " And on the 8th day the law of inverse enclosure was rediscovered, and two fleas in a matchbox were declared the wardens of the universe. " Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > > Sheila, > > > > I recommend that you send your " one-liners for the day " > > to the SufiMystic list. There are many people on that list > > that aren't so " advanced " as on this list, and that would > > really be able to benefit from your soft, gentle wisdom. > > > > Bill > > Hmm! Do I smell a whisp of spiritual pride? Do we know for > sure how advanced everyone is? There are 450 members here. Even > if we presume all posters are above learning anything from Sheilah, > I think she is stimulating some very intersting debate. So Sheilah > I nominate you MVP. Must valuable Poster, and I invite you join > advaitatozen list too. > > Thank you and keep posting away, > > Pete I agree witchu, Pete. I aint advanced. I start all over again every second. In fact, I haven't even been born, yet. peace Danananda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > Pete wrote: > > Hmm! Do I smell a whisp of spiritual pride? > What me spiritual pride! No way Jose! > I am totally humble... P: Just checking for signs of DUI. > > BTW... am very amused by your response as was tempted > in writing that post to put an aside to you about the " advanced " ... > > You are getting predictable Pete, pretty scary. Sorry, didn't mean to scare you. > > Also, " advanced " in quotes means " so-called advanced " , which > only means those " consider themselves as such " . So okay, > all clear now, right? Sure :)I just don't want that pretty dove shush away because you find her cooing too simple for your jaded ear. > > > As for you and me Pete, I believe we are in fierce competition > for low man on the totem pole, yes? I avoid climbing all totem poles, the carvings are too hell on my frontal ornaments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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