Guest guest Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 Sandeep, > Meditation and the consequential states,...............are again > nuances of that same one movement, in the moment, THROUGH > appropriately conditioned apparatuses. Don't know of any such " movement " . Sitting in a train that is stationary... another train on a parallel track... and then starting to feel one is moving ... until... one realizes that the other train is moving... Such is all senses of motion. Motion is always relative. All senses of motion are illusory. The is no " one " to move in relation to any " context " of motion. Any sense of relative context is false self-notion. In the Unconstrained there is no relative notion to hang a sense of motion onto. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 - " Bill Rishel " <plexus <Nisargadatta > Tuesday, February 10, 2004 02:37 PM Re: Greatest work is done by not working? (Sandeep) > Sandeep, > > > Meditation and the consequential states,...............are again > > nuances of that same one movement, in the moment, THROUGH > > appropriately conditioned apparatuses. > > Don't know of any such " movement " . > > Sitting in a train that is stationary... another train on a parallel > track... > and then starting to feel one is moving ... until... one realizes that > the other train is moving... > > Such is all senses of motion. Motion is always relative. > > All senses of motion are illusory. > > The is no " one " to move in relation to any " context " of motion. > > Any sense of relative context is false self-notion. > > In the Unconstrained there is no relative notion to hang a sense > of motion onto. > > Bill The absence of the presence of the relative notion of motion,......... and,............ the absence of the absence of the presence of the relative notion of motion, is.............. Have a look at the immediate earlier post. All movements,...........akin,... the ethos, the pathos, the much ado,..... that Bill was up to,........in your last night sleep-dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 There is movement, Bill. The mind-waves move along the surface of the ocean of consciousness. If they did not move, we would not have been able to read your email. It is THAT which percepts the mental vibrations that does not move. All else is in endless motion. Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > Sandeep, > > > Meditation and the consequential states,...............are again > > nuances of that same one movement, in the moment, THROUGH > > appropriately conditioned apparatuses. > > Don't know of any such " movement " . > > Sitting in a train that is stationary... another train on a parallel > track... > and then starting to feel one is moving ... until... one realizes that > the other train is moving... > > Such is all senses of motion. Motion is always relative. > > All senses of motion are illusory. > > The is no " one " to move in relation to any " context " of motion. > > Any sense of relative context is false self-notion. > > In the Unconstrained there is no relative notion to hang a sense > of motion onto. > > Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 > There is movement, Bill. The mind-waves move along the surface of the > ocean of consciousness. If they did not move, we would not have been > able to read your email. It is THAT which percepts the mental > vibrations that does not move. All else is in endless motion. I can *infer* such movement... but have no direct experience of it. And your arguments here are clearly inferential as well. In reality, from my perspective, *nothing is going on*. At the same time, I have things to do, promises to keep, and miles to go before I sleep. But the later is all essentially void to me. As the saying goes, " all dharmas are empty. " Bill - " danananda2004 " <danananda2004 <Nisargadatta > Tuesday, February 10, 2004 1:40 PM Re: Greatest work is done by not working? (Sandeep) > There is movement, Bill. The mind-waves move along the surface of the > ocean of consciousness. If they did not move, we would not have been > able to read your email. It is THAT which percepts the mental > vibrations that does not move. All else is in endless motion. > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > > Sandeep, > > > > > Meditation and the consequential states,...............are again > > > nuances of that same one movement, in the moment, THROUGH > > > appropriately conditioned apparatuses. > > > > Don't know of any such " movement " . > > > > Sitting in a train that is stationary... another train on a parallel > > track... > > and then starting to feel one is moving ... until... one realizes > that > > the other train is moving... > > > > Such is all senses of motion. Motion is always relative. > > > > All senses of motion are illusory. > > > > The is no " one " to move in relation to any " context " of motion. > > > > Any sense of relative context is false self-notion. > > > > In the Unconstrained there is no relative notion to hang a sense > > of motion onto. > > > > Bill > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 Yeah. I hear ya, Mr. Bill. I like to take meditation walks. That's where I go out walking & being my self. I see this body moving, this mind moving, cars & people, dogs & squirrels, things flashing by, but, it none of it is me. No matter what happens, I AM still right here, unmoved. It's like Homer & Jethro used ta say: No matter where ya go, there ya are. Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > > There is movement, Bill. The mind-waves move along the surface of the > > ocean of consciousness. If they did not move, we would not have been > > able to read your email. It is THAT which percepts the mental > > vibrations that does not move. All else is in endless motion. > I can *infer* such movement... but have no direct experience of > it. And your arguments here are clearly inferential as well. > > In reality, from my perspective, *nothing is going on*. > At the same time, I have things to do, promises to keep, > and miles to go before I sleep. But the later is all essentially > void to me. As the saying goes, " all dharmas are empty. " > > Bill > > > > > - > " danananda2004 " <danananda2004> > <Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, February 10, 2004 1:40 PM > Re: Greatest work is done by not working? (Sandeep) > > > > There is movement, Bill. The mind-waves move along the surface of the > > ocean of consciousness. If they did not move, we would not have been > > able to read your email. It is THAT which percepts the mental > > vibrations that does not move. All else is in endless motion. > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > > > Sandeep, > > > > > > > Meditation and the consequential states,...............are again > > > > nuances of that same one movement, in the moment, THROUGH > > > > appropriately conditioned apparatuses. > > > > > > Don't know of any such " movement " . > > > > > > Sitting in a train that is stationary... another train on a parallel > > > track... > > > and then starting to feel one is moving ... until... one realizes > > that > > > the other train is moving... > > > > > > Such is all senses of motion. Motion is always relative. > > > > > > All senses of motion are illusory. > > > > > > The is no " one " to move in relation to any " context " of motion. > > > > > > Any sense of relative context is false self-notion. > > > > > > In the Unconstrained there is no relative notion to hang a sense > > > of motion onto. > > > > > > Bill > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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