Guest guest Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 Greetings All, Been enjoying the posts. Bill said: In reality, from my perspective, I am interested in knowing how a " me " or " my " can have a perspective in Reality. Cheers, Steve Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > > There is movement, Bill. The mind-waves move along the surface of the > > ocean of consciousness. If they did not move, we would not have been > > able to read your email. It is THAT which percepts the mental > > vibrations that does not move. All else is in endless motion. > I can *infer* such movement... but have no direct experience of > it. And your arguments here are clearly inferential as well. > > In reality, from my perspective, *nothing is going on*. > At the same time, I have things to do, promises to keep, > and miles to go before I sleep. But the later is all essentially > void to me. As the saying goes, " all dharmas are empty. " > > Bill > > > > > - > " danananda2004 " <danananda2004> > <Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, February 10, 2004 1:40 PM > Re: Greatest work is done by not working? (Sandeep) > > > > There is movement, Bill. The mind-waves move along the surface of the > > ocean of consciousness. If they did not move, we would not have been > > able to read your email. It is THAT which percepts the mental > > vibrations that does not move. All else is in endless motion. > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > > > Sandeep, > > > > > > > Meditation and the consequential states,...............are again > > > > nuances of that same one movement, in the moment, THROUGH > > > > appropriately conditioned apparatuses. > > > > > > Don't know of any such " movement " . > > > > > > Sitting in a train that is stationary... another train on a parallel > > > track... > > > and then starting to feel one is moving ... until... one realizes > > that > > > the other train is moving... > > > > > > Such is all senses of motion. Motion is always relative. > > > > > > All senses of motion are illusory. > > > > > > The is no " one " to move in relation to any " context " of motion. > > > > > > Any sense of relative context is false self-notion. > > > > > > In the Unconstrained there is no relative notion to hang a sense > > > of motion onto. > > > > > > Bill > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 Nisargadatta , " yacobyisrael " <yacobyisrael> wrote: > Greetings All, > > Been enjoying the posts. > > Bill said: In reality, from my perspective, > > I am interested in knowing how a " me " or " my " can have a perspective > in Reality. > > Cheers, > Steve > > You ask a loaded question..... The 'I' who is asking the question assumes its own autonomy....from that ground.... there can be no answer. The illusory 'I' is asking a question about itself and the hypothetical relatonship it might have with a concept it calls 'Reality'. The assumption of autonomy is the origin of all confusion....it creates a labyrinth from which thought is forever trapped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 Bill said: In reality, from my perspective, I am interested in knowing how a " me " or " my " can have a perspective in Reality. Cheers, Steve << You ask a loaded question..... The 'I' who is asking the question assumes its own autonomy....from that ground.... there can be no answer. The illusory 'I' is asking a question about itself and the hypothetical relatonship it might have with a concept it calls 'Reality'. The assumption of autonomy is the origin of all confusion....it creates a labyrinth from which thought is forever trapped. >> For some reason I didn't receive the original post. Lucid response toombaru. To paraphrase, whatever constructs are presumed by the questioner constitute the conceptual (un)reality of the questioner. That conceptual (un)reality is a " relative frame " . It is subjective and unshared. There is nothing universal about the questioner's conceptual (un)reality. The questioner, however, does not realize this. To the questioner his/her conceptual (un)reality is *transparent*. It seems unquestionable, undeniable, and is presumed to be shared by all but those who are " confused " . Further, if the questioner has any " questions " , it is only because of his/her conceptual (un)reality. The questions can only arise from the *false*. Freed from the cataracts of his/her imaginary reality, there can be no puzzle. All of this is in perfect keeping with Wei Wu Wei's: " The answer to every question is the questioner. " Bill - " toombaru2003 " <toombaru2003 <Nisargadatta > Tuesday, February 10, 2004 11:04 PM Re: Greatest work is done by not working? (Bill) <yacobyisrael> wrote: > > Greetings All, > > > > Been enjoying the posts. > > > > Bill said: In reality, from my perspective, > > > > I am interested in knowing how a " me " or " my " can have a perspective > > in Reality. > > > > Cheers, > > Steve > > > > > > You ask a loaded question..... The 'I' who is asking the question assumes its own autonomy....from that ground.... there can be no answer. The illusory 'I' is asking a question about itself and the hypothetical relatonship it might have with a concept it calls 'Reality'. The assumption of autonomy is the origin of all confusion....it creates a labyrinth from which thought is forever trapped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > Bill said: In reality, from my perspective, > > I am interested in knowing how a " me " or > " my " can have a perspective in Reality. > > Cheers, Steve > << > You ask a loaded question..... > > The 'I' who is asking the question assumes its own > autonomy....from that ground.... there can be no > answer. > > The illusory 'I' is asking a question about itself > and the hypothetical relatonship it might have with > a concept it calls 'Reality'. > > The assumption of autonomy is the origin of all > confusion....it creates a labyrinth from which > thought is forever trapped. > >> > For some reason I didn't receive the original post. > > Lucid response toombaru. > > To paraphrase, whatever constructs are presumed by the > questioner constitute the conceptual (un)reality of > the questioner. That conceptual (un)reality is a > " relative frame " . It is subjective and unshared. There > is nothing universal about the questioner's conceptual > (un)reality. > > The questioner, however, does not realize this. To the > questioner his/her conceptual (un)reality is > *transparent*. It seems unquestionable, undeniable, > and is presumed to be shared by all but those who are > " confused " . > > Further, if the questioner has any " questions " , it is > only because of his/her conceptual (un)reality. The > questions can only arise from the *false*. Freed from > the cataracts of his/her imaginary reality, there can > be no puzzle. > > All of this is in perfect keeping with Wei Wu Wei's: > " The answer to every question is the questioner. " > > Bill, Your words paint a disappearing picture. .......they leave nothing behind....... Thank you toombaru > Bill > > > > - > " toombaru2003 " <toombaru2003> > <Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, February 10, 2004 11:04 PM > Re: Greatest work is done by not working? (Bill) > > <yacobyisrael> wrote: > > > Greetings All, > > > > > > Been enjoying the posts. > > > > > > Bill said: In reality, from my perspective, > > > > > > I am interested in knowing how a " me " or " my " can have a perspective > > > in Reality. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > You ask a loaded question..... > > The 'I' who is asking the question assumes its > own autonomy....from that ground.... there can be > no answer. > > The illusory 'I' is asking a question about > itself and the hypothetical relatonship it might > have with a concept it calls 'Reality'. > > The assumption of autonomy is the origin of all > confusion....it creates a labyrinth from which > thought is forever trapped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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