Guest guest Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 The way the Buddha is talked about, as if he was so utterly extraordinary... But Buddha Mind must be the most utterly ordinary. So hard/easy to miss, the utterly ordinary. When *seeing itself* is naked Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 " When *seeing itself* is naked " ? What in the heck are you smoking? Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@a...> wrote: > > > The way the Buddha is talked about, as if > he was so utterly extraordinary... > > But Buddha Mind must be the most utterly ordinary. > > So hard/easy to miss, the utterly ordinary. > > When *seeing itself* is naked > > > > Bill > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 > " When *seeing itself* is naked " ? What in the heck are you smoking? I'm a non-smoker Dawg. You really don't get that? The notion that there might be obfuscating enclutterments to the perceptual process? It is another way of speaking of vulnerability. When we see without guile. When we see with simplicity, with innocence. We we see " as little children " . When *seeing itself* is naked. Stripped of all sophistication. Bill Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@a...> wrote: > > > The way the Buddha is talked about, as if > he was so utterly extraordinary... > > But Buddha Mind must be the most utterly ordinary. > > So hard/easy to miss, the utterly ordinary. > > When *seeing itself* is naked > > > > Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 Don't shoot me Dawg. I'm just the messenger : ) Below find what Robert O'Hearn had to say about your comments... Bill - hrtbeat7 AdyashantiSatsang Friday, March 12, 2004 9:53 AM Fw: [AdyashantiSatsang] Re: ordinary AdyashantiSatsang , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@a...> wrote: > Suzuki Roshi was a con artist. What is it you are trying to attain, Bill? ))) Bill, what i generally encountered on my brief forray into groups like the one you quoted from (Nisargadatta, Advaita-to-Zen, etc.), was the sophmoric arrogance of kids who experience well enough the concept of enlightenment -- which of course has nothing to do with the actual experience of awakening -- and believe they can shine knuckles on their own vests by spouting comments like the ones above, attempting to cut off others' heads to make themselves appear taller. These are the ones who actually are the most difficult cases, the most solidified egos, having attained in their own minds an " expert " status on the subject of truth. This is why Suzuki advises " Beginner's Mind " -- " in the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, in the expert's, few. " LoveAlways -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 e# danandadan got the uzi out for a walk today. So it seems, Eric. Dawg: what happened to the puppy lolling around drunk on Nectar? Bill Nisargadatta , " danananda2004 " <danananda2004> wrote: > Suzuki Roshi was a con artist. > > What is it you are trying to attain, Bill? > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@a...> > wrote: > > > > - > > hrtbeat7 > > AdyashantiSatsang > > Thursday, March 11, 2004 6:49 PM > > [AdyashantiSatsang] Re: ordinary > > > > > > AdyashantiSatsang , " Bill Rishel " > <plexus@a...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > The way the Buddha is talked about, as if > > he was so utterly extraordinary... > > > > But Buddha Mind must be the most utterly ordinary. > > > > So hard/easy to miss, the utterly ordinary. > > > > When *seeing itself* is naked > > > > > > > > > > " If you continue this simple practice (zazen) every day you will > > obtain a wonderful power. Before you attain it, it is something > > wonderful, but after you obtain it, it is nothing special. It is > just > > you yourself, nothing special. As a Chinese poem says, " I went and > I > > returned. It was nothing special. Rozan famous for its misty > > mountains; Sekko for its water. " People think it must be wonderful > to > > see the famous range of mountains covered by mists, and the water > > said to cover all the earth. But if you go there you will just see > > water and mountains. Nothing special. > > It is a kind of mystery that for people who have no experience of > > enlightenment, enlightenment is something wonderful. But if they > > attain it, it is nothing. But yet it is not nothing. Do you > > understand? For a mother with children, having children is nothing > > special. That is zazen. So, if you continue this practice, more and > > more you will acquire something -- nothing special, but > nevertheless > > something. You may say " universal nature " or " Buddha nature " > > or " enlightenment. " You may call it by many names, but for the > person > > who has it, it is nothing, and it is something. " > > > > ~Suzuki Roshi > > Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind > > > > > > > > > > LoveAlways > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 LOL Bob does not seem to have lost his touch. - " Bill Rishel " <plexus <Nisargadatta > Friday, March 12, 2004 11:53 PM Re: ordinary > Don't shoot me Dawg. > I'm just the messenger : ) > > Below find what Robert O'Hearn had to say about > your comments... > > Bill > - > hrtbeat7 > AdyashantiSatsang > Friday, March 12, 2004 9:53 AM > Fw: [AdyashantiSatsang] Re: ordinary > > > AdyashantiSatsang , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@a...> > wrote: > > > Suzuki Roshi was a con artist. > > What is it you are trying to attain, Bill? > > > > > ))) Bill, what i generally encountered on > my brief forray into groups like the one you > quoted from (Nisargadatta, Advaita-to-Zen, etc.), > was the sophmoric arrogance of kids who experience > well enough the concept of enlightenment -- > which of course has nothing to do with the actual > experience of awakening -- and believe they > can shine knuckles on their own vests by > spouting comments like the ones above, > attempting to cut off others' heads to > make themselves appear taller. > These are the ones who actually are > the most difficult cases, the most solidified > egos, having attained in their own minds an > " expert " status on the subject of truth. > This is why Suzuki advises " Beginner's Mind " -- > " in the beginner's mind there are many > possibilities, in the expert's, few. " > > > > LoveAlways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 You keep on insisting that I get something. You write: " You really don't get that? " What? What is there to get? There is nothing to get. There is no you. There is no me. There is nothing for a me to see or that can be obfuscated. There is no me to begin with. Forget about it. All of your arguments are useless. To resist is futile. Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@a...> wrote: > > > > > " When *seeing itself* is naked " ? What in the heck are you smoking? > I'm a non-smoker Dawg. > > You really don't get that? > The notion that there might be obfuscating enclutterments to > the perceptual process? > > It is another way of speaking of vulnerability. > > When we see without guile. > > When we see with simplicity, with innocence. > > We we see " as little children " . > > When *seeing itself* is naked. > > Stripped of all sophistication. > > Bill > > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@a...> > wrote: > > > > > > The way the Buddha is talked about, as if > > he was so utterly extraordinary... > > > > But Buddha Mind must be the most utterly ordinary. > > > > So hard/easy to miss, the utterly ordinary. > > > > When *seeing itself* is naked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 Looks like he got his little ego bruised. These people have nothing to sell you except a line of crapola. They talk like politicians. What is it that you seek from these people, Bill? Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@a...> wrote: > Don't shoot me Dawg. > I'm just the messenger : ) > > Below find what Robert O'Hearn had to say about > your comments... > > Bill > - > hrtbeat7 > AdyashantiSatsang > Friday, March 12, 2004 9:53 AM > Fw: [AdyashantiSatsang] Re: ordinary > > > AdyashantiSatsang , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@a...> > wrote: > > > Suzuki Roshi was a con artist. > > What is it you are trying to attain, Bill? > > > > > ))) Bill, what i generally encountered on > my brief forray into groups like the one you > quoted from (Nisargadatta, Advaita-to-Zen, etc.), > was the sophmoric arrogance of kids who experience > well enough the concept of enlightenment -- > which of course has nothing to do with the actual > experience of awakening -- and believe they > can shine knuckles on their own vests by > spouting comments like the ones above, > attempting to cut off others' heads to > make themselves appear taller. > These are the ones who actually are > the most difficult cases, the most solidified > egos, having attained in their own minds an > " expert " status on the subject of truth. > This is why Suzuki advises " Beginner's Mind " -- > " in the beginner's mind there are many > possibilities, in the expert's, few. " > > > > LoveAlways > > > > -- ------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 Man! You are out there. Are you sure you're not on dope? A " puppy drunk on Nectar " ? What the heck are you talking about? Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@a...> wrote: > > e# danandadan got the uzi out for a walk today. > > So it seems, Eric. > > Dawg: what happened to the puppy lolling around drunk on Nectar? > > Bill > > > Nisargadatta , " danananda2004 " > <danananda2004> wrote: > > Suzuki Roshi was a con artist. > > > > What is it you are trying to attain, Bill? > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@a...> > > wrote: > > > > > > - > > > hrtbeat7 > > > AdyashantiSatsang > > > Thursday, March 11, 2004 6:49 PM > > > [AdyashantiSatsang] Re: ordinary > > > > > > > > > AdyashantiSatsang , " Bill Rishel " > > <plexus@a...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The way the Buddha is talked about, as if > > > he was so utterly extraordinary... > > > > > > But Buddha Mind must be the most utterly ordinary. > > > > > > So hard/easy to miss, the utterly ordinary. > > > > > > When *seeing itself* is naked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " If you continue this simple practice (zazen) every day you will > > > obtain a wonderful power. Before you attain it, it is something > > > wonderful, but after you obtain it, it is nothing special. It is > > just > > > you yourself, nothing special. As a Chinese poem says, " I went > and > > I > > > returned. It was nothing special. Rozan famous for its misty > > > mountains; Sekko for its water. " People think it must be > wonderful > > to > > > see the famous range of mountains covered by mists, and the water > > > said to cover all the earth. But if you go there you will just > see > > > water and mountains. Nothing special. > > > It is a kind of mystery that for people who have no experience of > > > enlightenment, enlightenment is something wonderful. But if they > > > attain it, it is nothing. But yet it is not nothing. Do you > > > understand? For a mother with children, having children is > nothing > > > special. That is zazen. So, if you continue this practice, more > and > > > more you will acquire something -- nothing special, but > > nevertheless > > > something. You may say " universal nature " or " Buddha nature " > > > or " enlightenment. " You may call it by many names, but for the > > person > > > who has it, it is nothing, and it is something. " > > > > > > ~Suzuki Roshi > > > Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LoveAlways > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 Anyone can cry like a baby. That's no big feat. Nisargadatta , sandeep <sandeepc@b...> wrote: > LOL > > Bob does not seem to have lost his touch. > > > > > - > " Bill Rishel " <plexus@a...> > <Nisargadatta > > Friday, March 12, 2004 11:53 PM > Re: ordinary > > > > Don't shoot me Dawg. > > I'm just the messenger : ) > > > > Below find what Robert O'Hearn had to say about > > your comments... > > > > Bill > > - > > hrtbeat7 > > AdyashantiSatsang > > Friday, March 12, 2004 9:53 AM > > Fw: [AdyashantiSatsang] Re: ordinary > > > > > > AdyashantiSatsang , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@a...> > > wrote: > > > > > Suzuki Roshi was a con artist. > > > > What is it you are trying to attain, Bill? > > > > > > > > > > ))) Bill, what i generally encountered on > > my brief forray into groups like the one you > > quoted from (Nisargadatta, Advaita-to-Zen, etc.), > > was the sophmoric arrogance of kids who experience > > well enough the concept of enlightenment -- > > which of course has nothing to do with the actual > > experience of awakening -- and believe they > > can shine knuckles on their own vests by > > spouting comments like the ones above, > > attempting to cut off others' heads to > > make themselves appear taller. > > These are the ones who actually are > > the most difficult cases, the most solidified > > egos, having attained in their own minds an > > " expert " status on the subject of truth. > > This is why Suzuki advises " Beginner's Mind " -- > > " in the beginner's mind there are many > > possibilities, in the expert's, few. " > > > > > > > > LoveAlways > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 > What is it that you seek from these people, Bill? How presumptuous you are! What on earth tells you I am seeking anything from anyone? How absurd! Bill - danananda2004 Nisargadatta Tuesday, March 16, 2004 12:00 AM Re: ordinary Looks like he got his little ego bruised. These people have nothing to sell you except a line of crapola. They talk like politicians. What is it that you seek from these people, Bill? Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@a...> wrote: > Don't shoot me Dawg. > I'm just the messenger : ) > > Below find what Robert O'Hearn had to say about > your comments... > > Bill > - > hrtbeat7 > AdyashantiSatsang > Friday, March 12, 2004 9:53 AM > Fw: [AdyashantiSatsang] Re: ordinary > > > AdyashantiSatsang , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@a...> > wrote: > > > Suzuki Roshi was a con artist. > > What is it you are trying to attain, Bill? > > > > > ))) Bill, what i generally encountered on > my brief forray into groups like the one you > quoted from (Nisargadatta, Advaita-to-Zen, etc.), > was the sophmoric arrogance of kids who experience > well enough the concept of enlightenment -- > which of course has nothing to do with the actual > experience of awakening -- and believe they > can shine knuckles on their own vests by > spouting comments like the ones above, > attempting to cut off others' heads to > make themselves appear taller. > These are the ones who actually are > the most difficult cases, the most solidified > egos, having attained in their own minds an > " expert " status on the subject of truth. > This is why Suzuki advises " Beginner's Mind " -- > " in the beginner's mind there are many > possibilities, in the expert's, few. " > > > > LoveAlways > > > > -- ------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2004 Report Share Posted March 19, 2004 What is it you seek from these people, Bill? Do you think Suzuki or that thing you call a " Niz " or some other guru with a book to sell has something to give you? What? Neither one of those guys had a clue. I read em both. They're full of crap. They're hustlers, con men. Just like those preachers on TV. Or, in the archdiocese. Etc. Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@a...> wrote: > > What is it that you seek from these people, Bill? > How presumptuous you are! > What on earth tells you I am seeking anything from anyone? > How absurd! > > Bill > > - > danananda2004 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, March 16, 2004 12:00 AM > Re: ordinary > > > Looks like he got his little ego bruised. These people have nothing > to sell you except a line of crapola. They talk like politicians. > What is it that you seek from these people, Bill? > > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@a...> > wrote: > > Don't shoot me Dawg. > > I'm just the messenger : ) > > > > Below find what Robert O'Hearn had to say about > > your comments... > > > > Bill > > - > > hrtbeat7 > > AdyashantiSatsang > > Friday, March 12, 2004 9:53 AM > > Fw: [AdyashantiSatsang] Re: ordinary > > > > > > AdyashantiSatsang , " Bill Rishel " > <plexus@a...> > > wrote: > > > > > Suzuki Roshi was a con artist. > > > > What is it you are trying to attain, Bill? > > > > > > > > > > ))) Bill, what i generally encountered on > > my brief forray into groups like the one you > > quoted from (Nisargadatta, Advaita-to-Zen, etc.), > > was the sophmoric arrogance of kids who experience > > well enough the concept of enlightenment -- > > which of course has nothing to do with the actual > > experience of awakening -- and believe they > > can shine knuckles on their own vests by > > spouting comments like the ones above, > > attempting to cut off others' heads to > > make themselves appear taller. > > These are the ones who actually are > > the most difficult cases, the most solidified > > egos, having attained in their own minds an > > " expert " status on the subject of truth. > > This is why Suzuki advises " Beginner's Mind " -- > > " in the beginner's mind there are many > > possibilities, in the expert's, few. " > > > > > > > > LoveAlways > > > > > > > > -- > ------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2004 Report Share Posted March 20, 2004 danananda2004 wrote on 1/27: " I dunno why I love Nisargadatta. I just do. I think he's cool. I read somewhere where he said any thing that can be percepted is not you. I thought: How simple & direct; how undeniable. " danananda2004 now writes: " Do you think Suzuki or > that thing you call a " Niz " or some other guru with a book to sell > has something to give you? What? Neither one of those guys had a > clue. I read em both. They're full of crap. They're hustlers, con > men. Just like those preachers on TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2004 Report Share Posted March 20, 2004 Nisargadatta , " danananda2004 " <danananda2004> wrote: What is it you seek from these people, Bill? Do you think Suzuki or that thing you call a " Niz " or some other guru with a book to sell has something to give you? What? Neither one of those guys had a clue. I read em both. They're full of crap. They're hustlers, con men. Just like those preachers on TV. Or, in the archdiocese. Etc. Dear Dananandasan, Morning curiosity and this fresh spring air wiffling so swell and plump with this, I would inquire of you, " What makes you think that Bill's " seeking " something from others, and not merely reveling in the common joy of this with friends and dream-dancing bears...more, I'd swear, it's a swarupa swing-dance of the chance that we can gauge what it is that another's motives are for anything, and/or their intentions or inclinations or insatiations or elations, are. Oh yeah, I forgot, (and here I'll be a brat-cat) " You read 'em. Maybe Bill " realizes " that there's nothing that anyone can sell to him. There is nothing to be bought or sold or bartered or stolen. Whether anyone, Sri Nisargadatta, Suzuki, Sandeep, or you, have a clue, I'm in no kind of position to know this. (I may imagine I know, teehee) What Knows will not tell me, and what Knows just compels me to uncompellingly uncomplain about the terrain of the trip, the yap of the yip, or the blip of the Heart that imparts the art of This...sometimes without need of animated danananda gifs giving THE final lowdown who is or is not Le Clown. La Clown de La Coeur...ah, Amore Amore and it's not my intention to get all sappy, just happy to say these things on this fine Spring day. Love to You, Danananda, Dearest, Mazie Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@a...> wrote: > > What is it that you seek from these people, Bill? > How presumptuous you are! > What on earth tells you I am seeking anything from anyone? > How absurd! > > Bill > > - > danananda2004 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, March 16, 2004 12:00 AM > Re: ordinary > > > Looks like he got his little ego bruised. These people have nothing > to sell you except a line of crapola. They talk like politicians. > What is it that you seek from these people, Bill? > > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@a...> > wrote: > > Don't shoot me Dawg. > > I'm just the messenger : ) > > > > Below find what Robert O'Hearn had to say about > > your comments... > > > > Bill > > - > > hrtbeat7 > > AdyashantiSatsang > > Friday, March 12, 2004 9:53 AM > > Fw: [AdyashantiSatsang] Re: ordinary > > > > > > AdyashantiSatsang , " Bill Rishel " > <plexus@a...> > > wrote: > > > > > Suzuki Roshi was a con artist. > > > > What is it you are trying to attain, Bill? > > > > > > > > > > ))) Bill, what i generally encountered on > > my brief forray into groups like the one you > > quoted from (Nisargadatta, Advaita-to-Zen, etc.), > > was the sophmoric arrogance of kids who experience > > well enough the concept of enlightenment -- > > which of course has nothing to do with the actual > > experience of awakening -- and believe they > > can shine knuckles on their own vests by > > spouting comments like the ones above, > > attempting to cut off others' heads to > > make themselves appear taller. > > These are the ones who actually are > > the most difficult cases, the most solidified > > egos, having attained in their own minds an > > " expert " status on the subject of truth. > > This is why Suzuki advises " Beginner's Mind " -- > > " in the beginner's mind there are many > > possibilities, in the expert's, few. " > > > > > > > > LoveAlways > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2004 Report Share Posted March 20, 2004 Nisarghadatta, Meister Eckhart,Ramana Maharishi, Eckhart Tolle - they all give the same message. Some of us, interested inthis subject, understand at least intellectually, what they are saying. For most however, its gobbledegook. The Buddha once said that its important to know that there is a concept called enlightenment.People who can't accept or know that such a concept exists, will find these teachings meaninless. To seekers, the teachings of theMasters provide valuable clues to the path to enlightnment. Personally, I believe, that if we have to make any progress in this field, we have to put in a fair amount of effort. I've found meditation to be an extremely useful tool and over the years, I've managed to do it regularily. It gradually deepens your understanding and most importantly, it quietens the mind. Without some form of meditation to quieten the mind, I personally don't think we can make any progress. Nisarghadatta keeps saying, be the watcher of the thinker - its easier said than done for the worldly person. Eckhart Tolle says the same thing. After many years of regular meditation, I'm able to do this some of the time and it makes an enormous difference to one's life. I'd be glad to hear of the experiences others have had in this line. Madhav mazie_l <sraddha54 wrote: Nisargadatta , " danananda2004 " <danananda2004> wrote: What is it you seek from these people, Bill? Do you think Suzuki or that thing you call a " Niz " or some other guru with a book to sell has something to give you? What? Neither one of those guys had a clue. I read em both. They're full of crap. They're hustlers, con men. Just like those preachers on TV. Or, in the archdiocese. Etc. Dear Dananandasan, Morning curiosity and this fresh spring air wiffling so swell and plump with this, I would inquire of you, " What makes you think that Bill's " seeking " something from others, and not merely reveling in the common joy of this with friends and dream-dancing bears...more, I'd swear, it's a swarupa swing-dance of the chance that we can gauge what it is that another's motives are for anything, and/or their intentions or inclinations or insatiations or elations, are. Oh yeah, I forgot, (and here I'll be a brat-cat) " You read 'em. Maybe Bill " realizes " that there's nothing that anyone can sell to him. There is nothing to be bought or sold or bartered or stolen. Whether anyone, Sri Nisargadatta, Suzuki, Sandeep, or you, have a clue, I'm in no kind of position to know this. (I may imagine I know, teehee) What Knows will not tell me, and what Knows just compels me to uncompellingly uncomplain about the terrain of the trip, the yap of the yip, or the blip of the Heart that imparts the art of This...sometimes without need of animated danananda gifs giving THE final lowdown who is or is not Le Clown. La Clown de La Coeur...ah, Amore Amore and it's not my intention to get all sappy, just happy to say these things on this fine Spring day. Love to You, Danananda, Dearest, Mazie Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@a...> wrote: > > What is it that you seek from these people, Bill? > How presumptuous you are! > What on earth tells you I am seeking anything from anyone? > How absurd! > > Bill > > - > danananda2004 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, March 16, 2004 12:00 AM > Re: ordinary > > > Looks like he got his little ego bruised. These people have nothing > to sell you except a line of crapola. They talk like politicians. > What is it that you seek from these people, Bill? > > > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@a...> > wrote: > > Don't shoot me Dawg. > > I'm just the messenger : ) > > > > Below find what Robert O'Hearn had to say about > > your comments... > > > > Bill > > - > > hrtbeat7 > > AdyashantiSatsang > > Friday, March 12, 2004 9:53 AM > > Fw: [AdyashantiSatsang] Re: ordinary > > > > > > AdyashantiSatsang , " Bill Rishel " > <plexus@a...> > > wrote: > > > > > Suzuki Roshi was a con artist. > > > > What is it you are trying to attain, Bill? > > > > > > > > > > ))) Bill, what i generally encountered on > > my brief forray into groups like the one you > > quoted from (Nisargadatta, Advaita-to-Zen, etc.), > > was the sophmoric arrogance of kids who experience > > well enough the concept of enlightenment -- > > which of course has nothing to do with the actual > > experience of awakening -- and believe they > > can shine knuckles on their own vests by > > spouting comments like the ones above, > > attempting to cut off others' heads to > > make themselves appear taller. > > These are the ones who actually are > > the most difficult cases, the most solidified > > egos, having attained in their own minds an > > " expert " status on the subject of truth. > > This is why Suzuki advises " Beginner's Mind " -- > > " in the beginner's mind there are many > > possibilities, in the expert's, few. " > > > > > > > > LoveAlways > > ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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