Guest guest Posted March 23, 2004 Report Share Posted March 23, 2004 Hi all, I want to meet a Jnana yogi, someone like Nisargadatta Maharaj. I know that there is Ramesh Balsekhar in Mumbai and Ajja in Karnataka (I have not met them though). I would be very greatful if someone can send me the information and describe his/her experiences if he/she met any jnana yogis (either in USA or in India). Thanks a lot, Sai. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2004 Report Share Posted March 23, 2004 Nisargadatta , " saikumar_durga " <saikumar_durga> wrote: > Hi all, > > I want to meet a Jnana yogi, someone like Nisargadatta Maharaj. > I know that there is Ramesh Balsekhar in Mumbai and Ajja in > Karnataka (I have not met them though). I would be very greatful if > someone can send me the information and describe his/her experiences > if he/she met any jnana yogis (either in USA or in India). > Thanks a lot, > Sai. jnana yogis are everywhere. it all depends " who " appears to " you " as a jnana. when the seeking happens, sooner or later a guru will appear. s/he could even be another seeker at a famous guru's satsang or someone in your dream whom your mind projects. the mind projects " you the seeker, " " the guru the holy wo/man " and the " skeptical friend at the satsang, " and a group of others for the hide/seek play to happen. hur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 Nisargadatta , " saikumar_durga " <saikumar_durga> wrote: > Hi all, > > I want to meet a Jnana yogi, someone like Nisargadatta Maharaj. > I know that there is Ramesh Balsekhar in Mumbai and Ajja in > Karnataka (I have not met them though). I would be very greatful if > someone can send me the information and describe his/her experiences > if he/she met any jnana yogis (either in USA or in India). > Thanks a lot, > Sai. hello Sai, my name is Mahatma Mogumba (from Zaire), if you come by my place in Africa i'll place my hand on your head and mutter something for you, (what kind of service is it you really want dear son?) My personnal experience is i am surrounded by light at night (and people gather around me it is safer in the savanna) and by day i hum kirtan (they dance happily) waiting anxiously for your devoted reply, Mahatma Mogumba Guru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 Nisargadatta , " saikumar_durga " <saikumar_durga> wrote: > Hi all, > > I want to meet a Jnana yogi, someone like Nisargadatta Maharaj. > I know that there is Ramesh Balsekhar in Mumbai and Ajja in > Karnataka (I have not met them though). I would be very greatful if > someone can send me the information and describe his/her experiences > if he/she met any jnana yogis (either in USA or in India). > Thanks a lot, > Sai. Hi Sai-- How would you know one if you saw one? Just because others say so? There are more gnanis than you may realize, but they don't have the following of these guys. The only reason anyone knew of Niz is somebody published a book of his writings. Well, there are many like him who haven't had a book published. There are a lot relatively famous gurus in the US (Adyashanti, Gangaji, etc.) but what can they do for you? What do you want from this person? Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 Well, I don't need to meet the disembodied because I am it. And you are in the same bag with me who is without the meat. What did you do with your own meat? Watch for hamburgers . .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 I understand your wish to meet a jnana yogi, Sai. The transmission of essentially wordless insight seems likelier to occur in the actual company of a realized soul than anywhere else. But anywhere else is possible too. josesiem [josesiem] Wednesday, March 24, 2004 3:16 PM Nisargadatta Re: jnana yogis Nisargadatta , " saikumar_durga " <saikumar_durga> wrote: > Hi all, > > I want to meet a Jnana yogi, someone like Nisargadatta Maharaj. > I know that there is Ramesh Balsekhar in Mumbai and Ajja in > Karnataka (I have not met them though). I would be very greatful if > someone can send me the information and describe his/her experiences > if he/she met any jnana yogis (either in USA or in India). > Thanks a lot, > Sai. Hi Sai-- How would you know one if you saw one? Just because others say so? There are more gnanis than you may realize, but they don't have the following of these guys. The only reason anyone knew of Niz is somebody published a book of his writings. Well, there are many like him who haven't had a book published. There are a lot relatively famous gurus in the US (Adyashanti, Gangaji, etc.) but what can they do for you? What do you want from this person? Joe ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. ---------- -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " saikumar_durga " > <saikumar_durga> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I want to meet a Jnana yogi, someone like Nisargadatta Maharaj. > > I know that there is Ramesh Balsekhar in Mumbai and Ajja in > > Karnataka (I have not met them though). I would be very greatful if > > someone can send me the information and describe his/her > experiences > > if he/she met any jnana yogis (either in USA or in India). > > Thanks a lot, > > Sai. > > Hi Sai-- > > How would you know one if you saw one? Just because others say so? > There are more gnanis than you may realize, but they don't have the > following of these guys. The only reason anyone knew of Niz is > somebody published a book of his writings. Well, there are many like > him who haven't had a book published. > > There are a lot relatively famous gurus in the US (Adyashanti, > Gangaji, etc.) but what can they do for you? What do you want from > this person? > > Joe e# as the other guy from Zaire said: " what service can i offer you apart from my blessing? " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 > I want to meet a Jnana yogi, someone like Nisargadatta Maharaj. The question seems to assume that a jnani is a *person*. To be in the presence of a jnani is to be in relationship with Silence. Try sitting with your back against a large tree. Bill - ericparoissien Nisargadatta Wednesday, March 24, 2004 11:15 PM Re: jnana yogis Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " saikumar_durga " > <saikumar_durga> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I want to meet a Jnana yogi, someone like Nisargadatta Maharaj. > > I know that there is Ramesh Balsekhar in Mumbai and Ajja in > > Karnataka (I have not met them though). I would be very greatful if > > someone can send me the information and describe his/her > experiences > > if he/she met any jnana yogis (either in USA or in India). > > Thanks a lot, > > Sai. > > Hi Sai-- > > How would you know one if you saw one? Just because others say so? > There are more gnanis than you may realize, but they don't have the > following of these guys. The only reason anyone knew of Niz is > somebody published a book of his writings. Well, there are many like > him who haven't had a book published. > > There are a lot relatively famous gurus in the US (Adyashanti, > Gangaji, etc.) but what can they do for you? What do you want from > this person? > > Joe e# as the other guy from Zaire said: " what service can i offer you apart from my blessing? " ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@a...> wrote: > > I want to meet a Jnana yogi, someone like Nisargadatta Maharaj. > The question seems to assume that a jnani is a *person*. > To be in the presence of a jnani is to be in relationship with Silence. > > Try sitting with your back against a large tree. > > Bill Bill, What you write is true poetically, but the meaning of the phrase is someone accomplished in the 'practice' of intellectual contemplation while established in Being. Intellectual contemplation for example, on the distinction between the perishable and the imperishable. Such individuals are rare - unless of course we are being poetic here, in which case the chair I am sitting on would qualify! The expressed desire to find such an individual is noble and not to be dismissed and treated lightly. It is made more challenging because a Jnana Yogi may not be able to teach and the student may not be able to receive - for that an additional synergy is required. I do not know of any to recommend - sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 Hi What about the vibrations of the setting? Does in not touch any part of the being? Ralph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > Hi Sai-- > > How would you know one if you saw one? Just because others say so? > There are more gnanis than you may realize, but they don't have the > following of these guys. The only reason anyone knew of Niz is > somebody published a book of his writings. Well, there are many like > him who haven't had a book published. > > There are a lot relatively famous gurus in the US (Adyashanti, > Gangaji, etc.) but what can they do for you? What do you want from > this person? > > Joe For some reason, I cannot recognize a jnani in either of them (I have not met them though). I have recently read an interview (Making God Laugh) with Dr. Vijai Shankar in the magazine 'What is enlightement' and his answers seem not coming from an ordinary person. If anyone knows the address of Ajja (From karnataka), that would be helpful. All I can get about him is the interview in the same magazine. If someone says that such and such person is a jnani, then I would do some research before meeting him and decide according to my own ratings. After all Sri Sadhu Om, Ganapati Muni and others realized in the presence of Ramana Maharshi. Same is the case with Sri Ramesh Balsekar in the presence of Nisargadatta Maharaj. I just want to be in silence and may be ask a few questions in the presence of a jnani. Any wat of recent I am peaceful in my own room. Sai. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 I meant " being 'more as a verb...not a noun.Is there nothing that effects the soul or is that too part of the " illusion " of separateness?Having a soul that is. Ralph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 > I just want to be in silence and may be ask a few questions in the > presence of a jnani. > Any wat of recent I am peaceful in my own room. > Sai. Sai, If you can be silent and peaceful in your own room, you don't need a jnani. Silence is silence, peaceis peace; if a warehouse is empty, and a church is empty, the emptiness is the same; if the emptiness of the church feels holy and the other doesn't, it's simply due to mind conditioning. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 What about the vibrations of the setting? Does in not touch any part of the being? >>>> There is a big difference between beingness and " a being " . What is significant is beingness, not " a being " . [ " a being " is like " a body " ] And re beingness, the setting is not separate. And " vibrations " are not separate. Beingness is all of it. That's the whole point, in fact. Drop distinctions of this & that and realize the beingness that pervades/is all of it. Bill - BANDSTAND54 Nisargadatta Thursday, March 25, 2004 1:12 PM Re: Re: jnana yogis Hi What about the vibrations of the setting? Does in not touch any part of the being? Ralph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 Nisargadatta , " saikumar_durga " <saikumar_durga> wrote: > For some reason, I cannot recognize a jnani in either of them (I have > not met them though). > I have recently read an interview (Making God Laugh) with Dr. Vijai > Shankar in the magazine 'What is enlightement' and his answers seem > not coming from an ordinary person. > If anyone knows the address of Ajja (From karnataka), that would be > helpful. All I can get about him is the interview in the same > magazine. > If someone says that such and such person is a jnani, then I would do > some research before meeting him and decide according to my own > ratings. After all Sri Sadhu Om, Ganapati Muni and others realized in > the presence of Ramana Maharshi. Same is the case with Sri Ramesh > Balsekar in the presence of Nisargadatta Maharaj. > I just want to be in silence and may be ask a few questions in the > presence of a jnani. > Any wat of recent I am peaceful in my own room. > Sai. I read those interviews too. Seems like you like the silent guys in diapers like ramana and ajja. That's cool. Best of luck. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 Nisargadatta , BANDSTAND54@A... wrote: > I meant " being 'more as a verb...not a noun.Is there nothing that effects the > soul or is that too part of the " illusion " of separateness?Having a soul that > is. > > Ralph > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 - " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us <Nisargadatta > Friday, March 26, 2004 4:58 AM Re: jnana yogis > Nisargadatta , BANDSTAND54@A... wrote: > > I meant " being 'more as a verb...not a noun.Is there nothing that > effects the > > soul or is that too part of the " illusion " of separateness?Having a > soul that > > is. > > > > Ralph > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Nisargadatta , " dabo " <dscasta> wrote: > > - > " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > <Nisargadatta > > Friday, March 26, 2004 4:58 AM > Re: jnana yogis > > > > Ralph, to believe in a soul is important,only if survival of a > > separate entity is important. So for religions who revolve around an > > afterlife and reward/ punishment in such afterlife, a belief in a > > soul is esential. > > Buddhism has performed many awkward conceptual contortions trying > > to keep the belief of karma w/o the concept of an individual soul. > > Upkeeping a spiritual identity is a fulltime mental job. ) > > > > Pete > Pete, > > do you think the Buddha's job was to 'upkeep a spiritual identity' ? > > do you think his job was 'mental' ? > > > with respect > > dabo Hi Dabo, Good to hear from you again, and good luck with your new site. I hope you're going to stay here for a while. It's hard to get kicked out of the Nis list. Only porno spammers get banned here. I wasn't writing about Buddha when I mentioned spiritual identity, but about people who believe in a soul. Of course his job was mental. He used his mind to teach. No one alive is beyond the mind. Buddha gave us concepts to fight concepts. He gave us concept killer concepts. But then the P.R. monks came after him, and incorporated many hindu concepts such as rebirth and the afterlife and karma. In other words, the priests took over, and a priest's job is to sell religion to the masses. And if they have to adulterate the founder's teachings to do it, so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 - " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us <Nisargadatta > Thursday, March 25, 2004 11:06 PM Re: jnana yogis > > > I just want to be in silence and may be ask a few questions in the > > presence of a jnani. > > Any wat of recent I am peaceful in my own room. > > Sai. > > Sai, If you can be silent and peaceful in your own room, > you don't need a jnani. Silence is silence, peaceis peace; > if a warehouse is empty, and a church is empty, the emptiness > is the same; if the emptiness of the church feels holy and the other > doesn't, it's simply due to mind conditioning. > > Pete > hi Sai and Pete if an emptiness feels 'holy' or 'unholy' then it is not emptiness. (they say) emptiness is beyond holy and unholy. Sai, i think your wish to meet a realized being is wise. who knows what might happen ? i am looking for trully realized beings myself. the only ones i've been able to find (through my own discernment, of course) are dead. (excuse me, they 'have left the body' ) dabo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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