Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 > That's the oxymoron. > A mind wanting to go beyond mind is just more mind-stuff. > > It's like wanting to lift yourself by your bootstraps. > You are the very weight, you are wanting to lift. > > Will a lifting ever be possible, .............no matter what technique, what > path, what methodology, what process, what doing ,..........you believe can > guarantee success? > > Giving up trying, in the hope that a liftting will be possible by that > giving up,...............is once again the same game. sandeep, are YOU beyond mind? dabo - " sandeep " <sandeepc <Nisargadatta > Friday, March 26, 2004 7:17 AM Re: Ever heard of Cervantes? > Yoohoo Marcelo, > > > - > " m castro " <castro2012 > <Nisargadatta > > Thursday, March 25, 2004 12:43 PM > Re: Ever heard of Cervantes? > > > > > > Yes. On most points you are right. > > ------- > > :-) > On which points I am not? > > > > > > Just don't pay too much attention to my confusion. > > ----- > OK > > ------ > > > > I have searched deeply, but am not where I should be. > > ------- > > OK. > Where do you suppose that " should " is? > > ------- > > > > That does not mean that I think I am " going anywhere " .... Clearly I did > not mean that literally. It's just a way of trying to >express myself to > people that I do not personally know. > > -------- > No, you do believe you have to go somewhere, reach somewhere. > That's a consequence of a prevailing sense of a " should " . > > When all sense of " should(s) " (a should-not is also a > should),................... ceases, ........all sense of. having to go > somewhere, reach somewhere,.............ceases. > > And along ceases,..............all sense of seeking. > > > Now a should that all " shoulds " should cease, is nothing but a should.:-) > > > --------- > > > > > > " Woof " Yes, I am taking meaningless matters too seriously, but, > unfortunately, my mind is strong, and requires more than a " woof " to go > beyond it. > > --------- > > That's the oxymoron. > A mind wanting to go beyond mind is just more mind-stuff. > > It's like wanting to lift yourself by your bootstraps. > You are the very weight, you are wanting to lift. > > Will a lifting ever be possible, .............no matter what technique, what > path, what methodology, what process, what doing ,..........you believe can > guarantee success? > > Giving up trying, in the hope that a liftting will be possible by that > giving up,...............is once again the same game. > > > > > > And no, I don't see the oxy-MORON-ness.... maybe you could explain it to > me. > > > As above. > > > > > > > > > Marcelo > > > > sandeep <sandeepc wrote: > > Hi Castro, > > > > > > > > - > > " m castro " <castro2012 > > <Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, March 18, 2004 03:05 PM > > Ever heard of Cervantes? > > > > > > > Yes, I have read I Am That.... and yes, I just signed up to this group. > Unfortunately, I haven't felt compelled to write anything, >because, so far, > all I can see are fluffy words, with no real attempt at getting to the pains > and desires rather we are lead down the >garden path, where empty words are > a replacement for my human conflict...., but no real effort to actually > understand our human >desires. > > > > > > ------- > > What human conflict? > > ----------- > > > > > > > > > > This is why I came, to understand myself better... > > > > ------ > > Can you see the oxy-moron-ess in that? > > -------- > > > > > > > > Unfortunately what I have found with a lot of his followers... is that > there is little room for " blood sweat and tears " work, rather, >there is a > play of words that take us nowhere. > > > > ------------ > > > > Where do you wish to go? > > > > --------- > > > > > > > > But I have serious questions, that require serious answeres. > > > > -------- > > > > Wooof. > > > > ------- > > > > >So, If I have to refer to an old book, to find something that I cannot > find on the net, then I'll stick to the book. > > > > > > For example, why is the question of sexual desire brushed to the side by > most. > > > > ---------- > > > > by most, whom? > > > > What is the issue with sexual desire? > > > > When you are hot, you are hot. > > When you are not, you are not. > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > > > > > How can someone be enlightened, when you give money to a government that > does NO good with it?(to say the very least). (Did Nisargadatta pay tax to > the Indian Government?) > > > > -------- > > > > No clue about that. > > > > Rolling Beedis is not very profitable and it's all cash transactions > anyway. > > > > However what has paying of taxes or evading them to do with enlightenment? > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, what I have found with Nisargaddata's followers, is that > they are hypocrites. No different to most people who follow >other > beliefs(dogmatic or fluid). > > > > > > ------- > > > > OK. > > How about you Castro? > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone know the story Don Quixotte by Cervantes? > > > > > > In the end, reality wins out over Quixotte's illusions. > > > > > > Why isn't reality winning out over this illusion? > > > > > > -------- > > > > Why on earth should it bother? > > > > Do you go about stamping on your shadow, to erase it''s infernal presence? > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > If I am the giver and taker of pain, then why isn't my intention and > will strong enough to end it? Shouldn't my realization win out over my past > illusions? > > > > -------- > > > > Who is that I, ........who is the me of the my? > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > I am not enlightened, > > > > > > ------ > > > > Ahaa, so you know what is enlightenment? > > > > You must, otherwise how can you conclude that you are not. > > > > So tell the secret, what is enlightenment as per Castro? > > > > -------- > > > > > > > I have merely had moments where time and space have ceased. And that is > all I know. > > > > > > Good. > > And now invite you to forget all that baloney. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 > > - > " dabo " <dscasta > <Nisargadatta > > Friday, March 26, 2004 11:22 PM > Re: Ever heard of Cervantes? / sandeep > > > > > > > > > That's the oxymoron. > > > A mind wanting to go beyond mind is just more mind-stuff. > > > > > > It's like wanting to lift yourself by your bootstraps. > > > You are the very weight, you are wanting to lift. > > > > > > Will a lifting ever be possible, .............no matter what technique, > what > > > path, what methodology, what process, what doing ,..........you believe > can > > > guarantee success? > > > > > > Giving up trying, in the hope that a liftting will be possible by that > > > giving up,...............is once again the same game. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sandeep, > > > > are YOU beyond mind? Define that " YOU " and and answer will arrive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 Hi One of my favorite sayings is...IT'S NOT PEACE OF MIND...IT'S PEACE FROM MIND. RALPH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 Hi When asked by a student " How do I find GOD? " The holy man replied...Never Mind. " When a thief encounters a wise man he sees only his pockets. In order for a Forrest to be green each tree must be green. Ralph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 - " sandeep " <sandeepc <Nisargadatta > Saturday, March 27, 2004 7:07 AM Re: Ever heard of Cervantes? / sandeep > > > > > > - > > " dabo " <dscasta > > <Nisargadatta > > > Friday, March 26, 2004 11:22 PM > > Re: Ever heard of Cervantes? / sandeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the oxymoron. > > > > A mind wanting to go beyond mind is just more mind-stuff. > > > > > > > > It's like wanting to lift yourself by your bootstraps. > > > > You are the very weight, you are wanting to lift. > > > > > > > > Will a lifting ever be possible, .............no matter what technique, > > what > > > > path, what methodology, what process, what doing ,..........you believe > > can > > > > guarantee success? > > > > > > > > Giving up trying, in the hope that a liftting will be possible by that > > > > giving up,...............is once again the same game. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sandeep, > > > > > > are YOU beyond mind? > > > > > Define that " YOU " and and answer will arrive. > > > the one who wrote the line i just read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 - " dabo " <dscasta <Nisargadatta > Saturday, March 27, 2004 04:27 PM Re: Ever heard of Cervantes? / sandeep > - > " sandeep " <sandeepc > <Nisargadatta > > Saturday, March 27, 2004 7:07 AM > Re: Ever heard of Cervantes? / sandeep > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > " dabo " <dscasta > > > <Nisargadatta > > > > Friday, March 26, 2004 11:22 PM > > > Re: Ever heard of Cervantes? / sandeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the oxymoron. > > > > > A mind wanting to go beyond mind is just more mind-stuff. > > > > > > > > > > It's like wanting to lift yourself by your bootstraps. > > > > > You are the very weight, you are wanting to lift. > > > > > > > > > > Will a lifting ever be possible, .............no matter what technique, > > > what > > > > > path, what methodology, what process, what doing ,..........you believe > > > can > > > > > guarantee success? > > > > > > > > > > Giving up trying, in the hope that a liftting will be possible by that > > > > > giving up,...............is once again the same game. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sandeep, > > > > > > > > are YOU beyond mind? > > > > > > > > > > Define that " YOU " and and answer will arrive. > the one who wrote the line i just read. For the one, whose one nuance was the arising writing in the moment through an instrument, there is no mind to go beyond. For the one, there is nothing which is not itself, such a " beyond " has any meaning for the one. And thus for the one, .............even the concept of only one, has no relevance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 - " sandeep " <sandeepc <Nisargadatta > Saturday, March 27, 2004 2:11 PM Re: Ever heard of Cervantes? / sandeep > > - > " dabo " <dscasta > <Nisargadatta > > Saturday, March 27, 2004 04:27 PM > Re: Ever heard of Cervantes? / sandeep > > > > - > > " sandeep " <sandeepc > > <Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, March 27, 2004 7:07 AM > > Re: Ever heard of Cervantes? / sandeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > " dabo " <dscasta > > > > <Nisargadatta > > > > > Friday, March 26, 2004 11:22 PM > > > > Re: Ever heard of Cervantes? / sandeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the oxymoron. > > > > > > A mind wanting to go beyond mind is just more mind-stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > It's like wanting to lift yourself by your bootstraps. > > > > > > You are the very weight, you are wanting to lift. > > > > > > > > > > > > Will a lifting ever be possible, .............no matter what > technique, > > > > what > > > > > > path, what methodology, what process, what doing ,..........you > believe > > > > can > > > > > > guarantee success? > > > > > > > > > > > > Giving up trying, in the hope that a liftting will be possible by > that > > > > > > giving up,...............is once again the same game. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sandeep, > > > > > > > > > > are YOU beyond mind? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Define that " YOU " and and answer will arrive. > > > > the one who wrote the line i just read. > > > For the one, whose one nuance was the arising writing in the moment through > an instrument, there is no mind to go beyond. > > For the one, there is nothing which is not itself, such a " beyond " has any > meaning for the one. > > And thus for the one, .............even the concept of only one, has no > relevance. > > but why did 'the one' write so many words just to explain that what was being said has no relevance for 'the one'? and what is 'the one' doing in a anyway? sandeep, when you borrow the words of the enlightened (trying to lift yourself by the bootstraps), you do ok. when you try to talk of 'oneness' on your own, the result is not so good. this doesn't sound like it's coming from beoynd the mind. this sounds like a very confused mind. why do you think this is? (yes, i know you don't 'think' do you think it might be because what you are talking about - oneness, emptiness, beyondness, nothingness, etc. is actually not your reality? are you an enlightened being, sandeep? because you certainly try to talk like one. there are too many people in these 'spiritual' lists like you, sandeep. all these people do not understand a very simple difference: the difference between the words they use and their own experience. these are words you have only heard or read somewhere. knowing them does not mean you understand them. to understand is to experience. to understand is to be. can you know love before you fall in love? hell, can you know what 'sunrise' means before you have seen the sunrise? you talk like you have seen the sunrise, sandeep. it's just not honest. a buddha said: The greatest game the mind can play is that of being one. so keep playing, sandeep. but in this game, you are the loser. the loser not to me, or to anyone else that would bother to talk to you. the loser to your own mind. Your mind is the Judas. (a buddha) dabo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 - " dabo " <dscasta <Nisargadatta > Saturday, March 27, 2004 07:46 PM Re: Ever heard of Cervantes? / sandeep <SNIP> > you talk like you have seen the sunrise, sandeep. > it's just not honest. > a buddha said: > The greatest game the mind can play is that of being one. > > so keep playing, sandeep. > but in this game, you are the loser. > the loser not to me, > or to anyone else that would bother to talk to you. > the loser to your own mind. Your conclusions, noted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 - <BANDSTAND54 <Nisargadatta > Saturday, March 27, 2004 4:06 PM Re: Ever heard of Cervantes? / sandeep > Hi > > One of my favorite sayings is...IT'S NOT PEACE OF MIND...IT'S PEACE FROM MIND. > > RALPH > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 - " sandeep " <sandeepc <Nisargadatta > Saturday, March 27, 2004 4:22 PM Re: Ever heard of Cervantes? / sandeep > > - > " dabo " <dscasta > <Nisargadatta > > Saturday, March 27, 2004 07:46 PM > Re: Ever heard of Cervantes? / sandeep > > <SNIP> > > > > you talk like you have seen the sunrise, sandeep. > > it's just not honest. > > a buddha said: > > The greatest game the mind can play is that of being one. > > > > so keep playing, sandeep. > > but in this game, you are the loser. > > the loser not to me, > > or to anyone else that would bother to talk to you. > > the loser to your own mind. > > > > > Your conclusions, noted. > > > > i feel honored, to be noted by 'the one'! )) (kidding) Meditation is not concentration, it is relaxation. (a buddha) dabo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 Nisargadatta , " dabo " <dscasta> wrote: > <snip> > > Your conclusions, noted. > > > > > > > > > > > i feel honored, to be noted by 'the one'! > > )) > > (kidding) > > > > > > Meditation is not concentration, it is relaxation. > (a buddha) > > > > dabo e# Buddabo, you just had an interview (maybe the last) with Sandeep who is considered the equal of Nisargadatta by hundreds on the net (maybe thousands, maybe more); perhaps you could have listened a bit instead of rushing to your regular tricks. [a matter of timing in one's life i know] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.