Guest guest Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 - " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us <Nisargadatta > Saturday, March 27, 2004 5:50 AM Re: jnana yogis > Nisargadatta , " dabo " <dscasta> wrote: > > > > - > > " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > > <Nisargadatta > > > Friday, March 26, 2004 4:58 AM > > Re: jnana yogis > > > > > > > Ralph, to believe in a soul is important,only if survival of a > > > separate entity is important. So for religions who revolve around > an > > > afterlife and reward/ punishment in such afterlife, a belief in > a > > > soul is esential. > > > Buddhism has performed many awkward conceptual contortions trying > > > to keep the belief of karma w/o the concept of an individual > soul. > > > Upkeeping a spiritual identity is a fulltime mental job. ) > > > > > > Pete > > > Pete, > > > > do you think the Buddha's job was to 'upkeep a spiritual identity' ? > > > > do you think his job was 'mental' ? > > > > > with respect > > > > dabo > > Hi Dabo, > > Good to hear from you again, and good luck with your new site. hey Pete thanks for the warm welcome, thanks for holding no grudges. > I hope you're going to stay here for a while. It's hard to get kicked > out of the Nis list. Only porno spammers get banned here. > you mean there are no dictators like Gene Poole here? Gene, you here? ) about spamming, nothing to worry bout, i did all my spamming in noby's list, and got tired of it. i got kicked out of NDS because Gene tried to argue with me and failed miserably. then, to have an excuse for kicking me out, he accused me of 'cross-posting' messages from nds. i mean, what kind of offence is that? the rest of the lists i left myself cause there was nothing interesting going on. noby's list, nonserious and light as it is, is much more exciting most of the time. > I wasn't writing about Buddha when I mentioned spiritual identity, > but about people who believe in a soul. > > Of course his job was mental. He used his mind to teach. No one alive > is beyond the mind. Buddha gave us concepts to fight concepts. He gave > us concept killer concepts. But then the P.R. monks came after him, > and incorporated many hindu concepts such as rebirth and the afterlife > and karma. In other words, the priests took over, and a priest's job > is to sell religion to the masses. And if they have to adulterate the > founder's teachings to do it, so be it. > The Buddha and buddhist preachers are two different things, of course. the ultimate concept, the only 'concept' of buddhism is that of 'emptiness'. and what kind of a concept is that? i think you are perfectly right - it is a no-concept, an anti-concept, a concept-killer. this is why the Buddha was called 'caste-breaker' in his lifetime. his teaching destroyed the prejudices and beliefs of all existing religions. moreover, he spoke against blind faith and constantly encouraged personal inquiry. in short, the Buddha rules. > Of course his job was mental. He used his mind to teach. precisely. he USED the mind. the difference between an unenlightened being and a buddha is that the unenlightened is identified with the mind, whereas the buddha has gone beyond the mind and for him the mind is just a tool. the mind is his communication device, that's all. it is not his 'being'. from this point of veiw, no buddha talks FROM the mind, cause his being (whatever that is) is beyond the mind, he talks WITH the mind but not from the mind. this is what i meant when i hinted that a buddha's 'work' is not mental. >No one alive is beyond the mind. is a buddha alive? what is it to be 'alive' ? are we 'alive' ? they say a buddha lives in 'deathlessness', in the 'eternal'. in 'pure consiousness'. what is our life compared to that? they say it's an illusion. what is 'life' ? hard to say. nice talking to you dabo The only way to understand a buddha is to become a buddha. (a buddha) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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