Sandeep finally answers Dabo

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Hey Dabo,

Since Sandeep won't answer your indiscreet question about his

enlightenment, I used my time machine to get his answer about anyone's

enlightenment from the past.

 

Here it goes.

 

Wednesday, January 02, 2002 11:12 PM

[NoDoer] Enlightenment

 

 

Hi Gloria & Michael,

 

P:Thanks for your kind words. My main reason to post that draft was

to get input on

how to depict the experience of enlightenment.

 

 

Sandy: Whoever told you that enlightenment is an experience and thus

could be depicted in words or without words?

 

G: Hi Sandeep,

Hey, even Ramesh and you do this, you just call it the appercetion

dawns.

 

Sandy: Sure.

When you have to talk about something, you need some words.

But no matter what word is used, inlcuding the word " apperception " ,

it is always about it, not it.

 

Secondly, words are meanignful as far as their connotations go.

 

Apperception is not what is typically given by the dictionaries.

 

It denotes the state of perceiving without a perceiver, thus

indicating that such a state is not a perception, not an experience

within the cause-effect continuum.

 

 

 

G: All the great subjects of literature, like love, sorrow,

truth..none of these can ever be adequately depicted either, but that

is no reason to stop anyone.

 

 

Sandy:Great literature or smut, can neither be stopped nor abetted.

 

 

G: What is the use of setting enlightenment aside as so specially

exempt from human experience?

 

Sandy: Simply because a human can never experience,

realize, " enlightenment " .

 

Yes, the occurrence may happen through a human body-mind organism.

 

But there has been never, any enlightened human being, ever.

 

An " enlightened human being " is an oxymoron.

 

 

 

In my opinion, there aren't any good renditions of

the experience in fiction.

 

Even the good renditions in fiction are fictions.

 

LOL

 

G:Again, what I liked about it was that it avoided conceptualizing in

favor of letting images carry the story, without spelling it out.

Like moon and autumn conjur up worlds of meaning to a Japanese, so

that whole meaning goes without saying, it is there without actually

being there in words, only suggested. The words are symbolic, of

course, what else could they be? While Pete is writing a story, he

has used a poetic device, quite effectively. He leaves a great deal

of blank space to be filled in by the reader's imagination.

 

 

G:I know that.

All I am saying is that no matter how much is the imagination

stretched to fill in the blanks, it will still be symbolic and thus

the blanks will remain blanks.

 

The need to depict, to describe, to symbolize, to conceptualize, to

whom can this need arise?

To an entity.

The presence of the entity is the absence of.....

 

Notionally speaking.

 

For if the dude in the diaper, was not doped out when he

uttered " there is no creation, there is no destruction " ,

enlightenment can only be a notion.

 

Depiction of a notion, no matter how poetically beautiful, is at best

a notion.

 

 

 

 

 

Zip-A-Dee-Dah-Doo

 

Sandeep