Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 > > we all have pain, we all have fear, we all have greed, we all have > desire, > > we all have anger, we all have jealosy, we all have hate, > > we all have alllll these nasty things inside > > that make us just ordinary human fucked-up beings. > > P: I think the key word here is HAVE. There is no entity to take > possession of any of the above. >D:if this were true for you, >you would be enlightened. P: Allow me to point out, that a pronoun (any pronoun) linked with the word enlightenment negates the very assertion it is trying to make, because the word enlightenment means the absence of that sense of 'me' which the words 'you' or 'I' designates. So, when there is fear, and the fear is happening within a sense of self, the fear is happening in a very confined space. So the fear seems to have great energy and power to disrupt. And it is the same with any emotion, or feeling, or thought happening in that narrow space. But, when that sense of self is not there the fear is happening within infinite space, so it seems insignificant and have little power to disrupt. Left on its own the fear dissipates like a cloud on the wind. When the brain apperceives this, a thought creeps in, this is enlightenment, I'm enlightened, I want this to be always. With this thoughts 'the infinite space sense' disappear and the sense of the limited space comes back. Now the brain has great urgency to return to the infinite, open ended modality, but try as it may, efforts close the space even tighter. So, it take sometimes dozens of these openings and closings before the brain realizes any attempt to posses or name the opening is already a closing. The space, the emptiness, the silence and peace are always there, but the brain is incapable to feel it all the time. It's only when the brain gives up all attempts to control its own states that the emptiness is seen as always being there, even when the brain is distracted by other things. Understanding possession and control are illusory because there is no one to posses or control anything, is a good first step. Hope this makes sense. Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 - " pete seesaw " <seesaw1us <nisargadatta > Wednesday, March 31, 2004 6:10 AM Sandeep Finally answer Dabo/Pete > > > we all have pain, we all have fear, we all have greed, we all have > > desire, > > > we all have anger, we all have jealosy, we all have hate, > > > we all have alllll these nasty things inside > > > that make us just ordinary human fucked-up beings. > > > > P: I think the key word here is HAVE. There is no entity to take > > possession of any of the above. > > > >D:if this were true for you, > >you would be enlightened. > > P: Allow me to point out, that a pronoun (any pronoun) linked with the word enlightenment negates the very assertion it is trying to make, because the word enlightenment means the absence of that sense of 'me' which the words 'you' or 'I' designates. > we already discussed this. it is not correct, but we have to use personal pronouns, or communication would be impossible. i like your thoughts on the state of pure awareness. a true seeker doesn't lose the way dabo > So, when there is fear, and the fear is happening within a sense of self, the fear is happening in a very confined space. So the fear seems to have great energy and power to disrupt. And it is the same with any emotion, or feeling, or thought happening in that narrow space. But, when that sense of self is not there the fear is happening within infinite space, so it seems insignificant and have little power to disrupt. Left on its own the fear dissipates like a cloud on the wind. > > When the brain apperceives this, a thought creeps in, this is enlightenment, I'm enlightened, I want this to be always. With this thoughts 'the infinite space sense' disappear and the sense of the limited space comes back. Now the brain has great urgency to return to the infinite, open ended modality, but try as it may, efforts close the space even tighter. > > So, it take sometimes dozens of these openings and closings before the brain realizes any attempt to posses or name the opening is already a closing. > > The space, the emptiness, the silence and peace are always there, but the brain is incapable to feel it all the time. It's only when the brain gives up all attempts to control its own states that the emptiness is seen as always being there, even when the brain is distracted by other things. Understanding possession and control are illusory because there is no one to posses or control anything, is a good first step. > > Hope this makes sense. > > > > > > > > Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Nisargadatta , pete seesaw <seesaw1us> wrote: > > P: Allow me to point out, that a pronoun (any pronoun) linked with the word enlightenment negates the very assertion it is trying to make, because the word enlightenment means the absence of that sense of 'me' which the words 'you' or 'I' designates. > Hey Pete, You're making enlightenment a " sense " or " feeling " . That ain't it! :-) Whether or not there is identification doesn't matter a bit. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > Nisargadatta , pete seesaw <seesaw1us> > wrote: > > > > > P: Allow me to point out, that a pronoun (any pronoun) linked with > the word enlightenment negates the very assertion it is trying to > make, because the word enlightenment means the absence of that sense > of 'me' which the words 'you' or 'I' designates. > > > > Hey Pete, > You're making enlightenment a " sense " or " feeling " . That ain't it! :-) > Whether or not there is identification doesn't matter a bit. > > Joe P: Joe, you misread what I wrote. I say it's the " Absence " of a sense of 'me' This sense limits, draws a circle around an imaginary entity which then struggles against that perceived limitation. What I tried to convey is no different that what Greg wrote in others words in reply to your post. See below >But to be a place or essence at all is to be limited, circumscribed. The circumscription is that there are some things that go along with a place, and some things that don't. To be a person is also to be limited, circumscribed and >not free in this way. >THIS, on the other hand, *is* free of limitation and self- questioning, and is not limited to a person. It's not captured by a place or thing. This is also free from Joe. It ain't personal, which is why Joe can't have it. And of >course, Joe's-wanting-it-for-Joe is also THIS. -->Greg P:So If you know enough to know " it ain't it, " then what is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > P: Joe, you misread what I wrote. I say it's the " Absence " of a sense > of 'me' This sense limits, draws a circle around an imaginary entity > which then struggles against that perceived limitation. > > What I tried to convey is no different that what Greg wrote in others > words in reply to your post. See below But I don't think Greg is defining enlightenment, which is what I saw you doing. The arising of a sense of me is irrelevant. There is no " me " that is doing anything, but a sense or feeling of " me " can arise. IOW, enlightenment is not some kind of state in which a sense of " me " never arises. That was my point. It may be seen there is no " me " doing anything, but from my POV this is an understanding, a fact, as opposed to some kind of " feeling " of total disassociation occuring all the time -- which is how I imagined it would be before. > > P:So If you know enough to know " it ain't it, " then what is it? Enlightenment? A concept created by a discontented mind looking for a way out. :-) Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > P:So If you know enough to know " it ain't it, " then what is it? > > Enlightenment? A concept created by a discontented mind looking for a > way out. > > :-) > > Joe In other words, Buddhism and the Buddha and enlightenment arose ONLY because we are looking for an escape, a way out. There is none. It never would've happened if we didn't create this " problem " which is nothing more than thought. Thought created the problem in the first place and seeing that -- the whole thing becomes obsolete. Buddha was a fool who spent his life looking for something -- spent many years torturing himself and then he discovers the answer's been right here in front his face the whole time -- namely, the answer is the dropping of the " problem " which was never there in the first place. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > > P:So If you know enough to know " it ain't it, " then what is it? > > > > Enlightenment? A concept created by a discontented mind looking for > a > > way out. > > > > :-) > > > > Joe > > In other words, Buddhism and the Buddha and enlightenment arose ONLY > because we are looking for an escape, a way out. There is none. It > never would've happened if we didn't create this " problem " which is > nothing more than thought. Thought created the problem in the first > place and seeing that -- the whole thing becomes obsolete. > > Buddha was a fool who spent his life looking for something -- spent > many years torturing himself and then he discovers the answer's been > right here in front his face the whole time -- namely, the answer is > the dropping of the " problem " which was never there in the first > place. > > Joe So you no longer have a problem, and thought is no problem for you? And if so, how does it feel, does it have a name? Or is this just the opinion d'jour? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > wrote: > > > P: Joe, you misread what I wrote. I say it's the " Absence " of a > sense > > of 'me' This sense limits, draws a circle around an imaginary entity > > which then struggles against that perceived limitation. > > > > What I tried to convey is no different that what Greg wrote in > others > > words in reply to your post. See below > > > But I don't think Greg is defining enlightenment, which is what I saw > you doing. P: But, Joe, you saw what you wanted to see. If I say darkness is the absence of light, I'm not telling you what darkness is, I'm telling you what prevents darkness. In the same way I'm saying a sense of self prevents enlightenment. If you have concluded there isn't such a thing, and that makes you feel better, so be it. To me is a case of taking a bow of celibacy because you can't get a piece of ass anyway. The arising of a sense of me is irrelevant. There is > no " me " that is doing anything, but a sense or feeling of " me " can > arise. > > IOW, enlightenment is not some kind of state in which a sense of " me " > never arises. That was my point. It may be seen there is no " me " > doing anything, but from my POV this is an understanding, a fact, as > opposed to some kind of " feeling " of total disassociation occuring > all the time -- which is how I imagined it would be before. > > > > > P:So If you know enough to know " it ain't it, " then what is it? > > Enlightenment? A concept created by a discontented mind looking for a > way out. P:Yes, Joe for you it is, but not for thousands upon thousands who have written about the end of their search, not as a giving up, but as an attainment. And not many are goind to take Joe's words over Nis, or Ramana, or K, etc. > > :-) > > Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > > So you no longer have a problem, and thought is no problem for you? > And if so, how does it feel, does it have a name? Or is this just the > opinion d'jour? There will always be problems, and I'll indulge in the world that thought spins. But that's not a problem really. ;-) Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > > P: But, Joe, you saw what you wanted to see. If I say darkness is the > absence of light, I'm not telling you what darkness is, I'm telling > you what prevents darkness. In the same way I'm saying a sense of > self prevents enlightenment. OK. So you see " enlightenment " as a set of feelings or absence of such feelings. And when this feeling of there being no self arises, then enlightenment has occurred? That's how this sounds to me. > > P:Yes, Joe for you it is, but not for thousands upon thousands who > have written about the end of their search, not as a giving up, but > as an attainment. And not many are goind to take Joe's words over > Nis, or Ramana, or K, etc. It's not about giving up, Pete. It's about seeing there's nothing to get. There will be nothing *ever*, except what's in front of your face. Every single thing you will ever " know " will pass. IOW, nothing arises in Mind that does not pass away. Yet you want something to arise that you believe has the properties of a,b,and c. You're trapped in a web of your beliefs -- in a world of thought. You must think these thoughts actually refer to things, like " enlightenment " and " people attaining realization " . But these thoughts are only arising now -- and there's not a damn thing they refer to. But, hey, who knows? I could be totally wrong. I can only write what's clear to me. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > P:Yes, Joe for you it is, but not for thousands upon thousands who > have written about the end of their search, not as a giving up, but > as an attainment. And not many are goind to take Joe's words over > Nis, or Ramana, or K, etc. Leave them alone! You create the problem of this whole thing about enlightenment. Now you want an answer, you want resolution, you want to win the big prize. What occurred to me is that moment to moment I create this world (of thought), which includes enlightenment, sages, teachers, students, delusion, etc. None of this, however, exists until *I* impute that concept on it. None of it exists at all! " Enlightenment " exists within a social context and that's it. If your car mechanic said the same things Huang Po did, you'd think he was an idiot. If my hairdresser told me there is no enlightenment and I was chasing a dream (which many " gurus " do say!) I'd think he was delusional. Because some zen dude who's lived in a monastery and had this and that teacher says it, it's from an enlightened guy. See, so it's totally context dependent. But some respected guru says it, and it's like some kind of high mystical truth. LOL. I just read ol Huang Po last night. He says the same thing a lot of us are saying here. And he even made reference to Buddha's teaching as something to keep people busy, not as some kind of holy truth. If you have the Roaring Zen Reader, it's worth checking out the chapter on him. Regards, Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > wrote: > > P:Yes, Joe for you it is, but not for thousands upon thousands who > > have written about the end of their search, not as a giving up, but > > as an attainment. And not many are goind to take Joe's words over > > Nis, or Ramana, or K, etc. > > Leave them alone! You create the problem of this whole thing about > enlightenment. Now you want an answer, you want resolution, you want > to win the big prize. P: This brain has no problems, H\has all answers, has resolution, has peace, beauty, silence, you name it, at least most of the time. Nothing left to get. It doesn't call that by any name, or gives itself any titles. So this talk is about what you seek, if you're still seeking. You're sounding kind of enlightened. > > What occurred to me is that moment to moment I create this world (of > thought), which includes enlightenment, sages, teachers, students, > delusion, etc. None of this, however, exists until *I* impute that > concept on it. None of it exists at all! > > " Enlightenment " exists within a social context and that's it. If your > car mechanic said the same things Huang Po did, you'd think he was an > idiot. If my hairdresser told me there is no enlightenment and I was > chasing a dream (which many " gurus " do say!) I'd think he was > delusional. Because some zen dude who's lived in a monastery and had > this and that teacher says it, it's from an enlightened guy. > > See, so it's totally context dependent. But some respected guru says > it, and it's like some kind of high mystical truth. LOL. > > I just read ol Huang Po last night. He says the same thing a lot of > us are saying here. And he even made reference to Buddha's teaching > as something to keep people busy, not as some kind of holy truth. P: Yes I read Houng Po several times years ago. He is one of my favorites. What you said above sounds good. Just sit quietly, and listen to the trafic. You'll be fine, I think. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > wrote: > > > > P: But, Joe, you saw what you wanted to see. If I say darkness is > the > > absence of light, I'm not telling you what darkness is, I'm telling > > you what prevents darkness. In the same way I'm saying a sense of > > self prevents enlightenment. > > Joe: OK. So you see " enlightenment " as a set of feelings or absence of > such feelings. And when this feeling of there being no self arises, > then enlightenment has occurred? P: Self is the feeling of being a self. No-self is not a feeling. > >Joe: It's not about giving up, Pete. It's about seeing there's nothing to > get. There will be nothing *ever*, except what's in front of your > face. Every single thing you will ever " know " will pass. IOW, nothing > arises in Mind that does not pass away. Yet you want something to > arise that you believe has the properties of a,b,and c. You're > trapped in a web of your beliefs -- in a world of thought. You must > think these thoughts actually refer to things, like " enlightenment " > and " people attaining realization " . P:No, Joe, I have no beliefs, I talk out of first hand experience, or what pops up in the brain from god knows where. I don't want anything in particular to arise, whatever arises is fine with me. Yes, Abstract thoughts don't refer to things, they refer to other thoughts, or feelings. I talk about stopping, I talk about quiet, ceasing to thrash about, but it so happens that when people hear this, they think of doing and getting. It's a funny business, you tell people about denudation, and they think it's like sex where you undress to get your jollies. What you are saying above is what I'm also saying, but you only understand it when you say it. Which is fine. To my ears when you say it, it sounds like dispair, sour grapes. And to you, what I say sounds like pie in the sky. Well, the pie is not in the sky, is already in the belly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > P: This brain has no problems, H\has all answers, has resolution, > has peace, beauty, silence, you name it, at least most of the time. > Nothing left to get. It doesn't call that by any name, or gives > itself any titles. > So this talk is about what you seek, if you're still seeking. You're > sounding kind of enlightened. No, you're sounding kind of enlightened! ;-) My brain still whirls about like a drunken dancer. Do you ever or have you ever gone to the San Diego Zen Center? I was just there last night, listening to the traffic whiz by. Some dude on a motorcycle was disturbing the meditators. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > > It's a funny business, you tell people about denudation, and they > think > it's like sex where you undress to get your jollies. What you are > saying above is what I'm also saying, but you only understand it when > you say it. Which is fine. To my ears when you say it, it sounds like > dispair, sour grapes. And to you, what I say sounds like pie in the > sky. Well, the pie is not in the sky, is already in the belly. Yes, we're probably saying the same thing. I just don't like the word enlightenment as a description of a state of mind in which something is or is not present. You're not hearing despair so much as my anger which arises occasionally about this topic. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > wrote: > > Do you ever or have you ever gone to the San Diego Zen Center? No. What's your rating? > > I was just there last night, listening to the traffic whiz by. Some > dude on a motorcycle was disturbing the meditators. Oh man! Motorcycles are the best. You can follow that roar for a whole minute. Listening to it fade, disclosing space. Heavy trucks going up the hill outside by apartement are great too. The heavy rumble is like a huge cello. What beautiful vibrations. Love the suckers! ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > > wrote: > > > > > > Do you ever or have you ever gone to the San Diego Zen Center? > > No. What's your rating? I give Joko Beck, the main teacher there, the highest rating. I live close by (in PB) so it's not a big deal to get there. Overall, it's a nice quiet place to stare at a while wall for periods of time with other people. > > > > I was just there last night, listening to the traffic whiz by. Some > > dude on a motorcycle was disturbing the meditators. > > Oh man! Motorcycles are the best. You can follow that roar for a > whole minute. Listening to it fade, disclosing space. Heavy trucks > going up the hill outside by apartement are great too. The heavy > rumble is like a huge cello. What beautiful vibrations. Love the > suckers! ) I love sounds too. You might like the music I was making then. I was recording all kinds of environmental ambient sounds and making sound sculptures with them. A friend of mine runs a label that puts out music like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > wrote: > > > > It's a funny business, you tell people about denudation, and they > > think > > it's like sex where you undress to get your jollies. What you are > > saying above is what I'm also saying, but you only understand it > when > > you say it. Which is fine. To my ears when you say it, it sounds > like > > dispair, sour grapes. And to you, what I say sounds like pie in the > > sky. Well, the pie is not in the sky, is already in the belly. > > Yes, we're probably saying the same thing. I just don't like the word > enlightenment as a description of a state of mind in which something > is or is not present. P:I understand. It's a word I try not to use. It's very misleading, it has all sort of holy undertones and miracle powers bs. People don't understand the word is similar to the word 'up' which doesn't designate a place, but a direction, a direction which changes with the position of the observer. Up's direction varies with the latitude of the observer. Up at the poles, points in opposite directions. > > You're not hearing despair so much as my anger which arises > occasionally about this topic. P: I'm glad it isn't dispair. But ask yourself why anger, and not amusement? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> > wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Do you ever or have you ever gone to the San Diego Zen Center? > > > > No. What's your rating? > > I give Joko Beck, the main teacher there, the highest rating. I live > close by (in PB) so it's not a big deal to get there. Overall, it's a > nice quiet place to stare at a while wall for periods of time with > other people. > > > > > > > I was just there last night, listening to the traffic whiz by. > Some > > > dude on a motorcycle was disturbing the meditators. > > > > Oh man! Motorcycles are the best. You can follow that roar for a > > whole minute. Listening to it fade, disclosing space. Heavy trucks > > going up the hill outside by apartement are great too. The heavy > > rumble is like a huge cello. What beautiful vibrations. Love the > > suckers! ) > > I love sounds too. You might like the music I was making then. I was > recording all kinds of environmental ambient sounds and making sound > sculptures with them. A friend of mine runs a label that puts out > music like this. P: That's great! Are they on sale somewhere? I'm blessed to live by a busy street, so I have all the random sounds a man could wish for. But for people who live in a very quiet place, it would be gerat stuff to buy. I made a tape of the noise by my street for a friend who wanted to meditate with sounds. Of course, after a while the randomness is gone because the mind starts remembering the sequence of sounds and silence. The unexpected is always better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > wrote: > > P: This brain has no problems, H\has all answers, has resolution, > > has peace, beauty, silence, you name it, at least most of the time. > > Nothing left to get. It doesn't call that by any name, or gives > > itself any titles. > > So this talk is about what you seek, if you're still seeking. You're > > sounding kind of enlightened. > > No, you're sounding kind of enlightened! ;-) My brain still whirls > about like a drunken dancer. > > Do you ever or have you ever gone to the San Diego Zen Center? > > I was just there last night, listening to the traffic whiz by. Some > dude on a motorcycle was disturbing the meditators. > > Joe e# Pete loves to do that, cruise around the zen centers with his 1100cc HD shouting: " I AM THAT ABSOLUTELY! " " I AM THAT ABSOLUTELY! " " I AM THAT ABSOLUTELY! " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > > wrote: > > > > > > Do you ever or have you ever gone to the San Diego Zen Center? > > No. What's your rating? > > > > I was just there last night, listening to the traffic whiz by. Some > > dude on a motorcycle was disturbing the meditators. > > Oh man! Motorcycles are the best. You can follow that roar for a > whole minute. Listening to it fade, disclosing space. Heavy trucks > going up the hill outside by apartement are great too. The heavy > rumble is like a huge cello. What beautiful vibrations. Love the > suckers! ) e# so what would be the problem with the roaring of my thousand posts a week? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , " ericparoissien " <msrhood@a...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > > wrote: > > > P: This brain has no problems, H\has all answers, has > resolution, > > > has peace, beauty, silence, you name it, at least most of the > time. > > > Nothing left to get. It doesn't call that by any name, or gives > > > itself any titles. > > > So this talk is about what you seek, if you're still seeking. > You're > > > sounding kind of enlightened. > > > > No, you're sounding kind of enlightened! ;-) My brain still whirls > > about like a drunken dancer. > > > > Do you ever or have you ever gone to the San Diego Zen Center? > > > > I was just there last night, listening to the traffic whiz by. Some > > dude on a motorcycle was disturbing the meditators. > > > > Joe > > e# Pete loves to do that, cruise around the zen centers with his > 1100cc HD shouting: > " I AM THAT ABSOLUTELY! " > " I AM THAT ABSOLUTELY! " > " I AM THAT ABSOLUTELY! " Next best thing of being the bonzo. I think that's what the guy with the wacking stick is called. I could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > > Next best thing of being the bonzo. I think that's what the guy with > the wacking stick is called. I could be wrong. Gotta be careful with that stick in the US. Could get sued! Best stick to motorcyles. At ZCLA you have to let em know you want to be hit. How sad is that? The point of whacking is to be unexpected. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > P: That's great! Are they on sale somewhere? I'm blessed to live > by a busy street, so I have all the random sounds a man could wish > for. But for people who live in a very quiet place, it would be gerat > stuff to buy. I made a tape of the noise by my street for a friend > who wanted to meditate with sounds. Of course, after a while > the randomness is gone because the mind starts remembering the > sequence of sounds and silence. The unexpected is always better. http://www.forcedexposure.com/labels/bremsstrahlung.html There's a review and it's on sale there. If you like what you read, contact me and I can send you the CDs for free. I have extras. It wouldn't come with the package though. I can hear the ocean sometimes when I sit at night. Very nice. Sometimes it's just drunk people though walking by. One of the joys of Pacific Beach. :-) Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > > wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> > > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " > <seesaw1us> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you ever or have you ever gone to the San Diego Zen Center? > > > > > > No. What's your rating? > > > > I give Joko Beck, the main teacher there, the highest rating. I > live > > close by (in PB) so it's not a big deal to get there. Overall, it's > a > > nice quiet place to stare at a while wall for periods of time with > > other people. > > > > > > > > > > I was just there last night, listening to the traffic whiz by. > > Some > > > > dude on a motorcycle was disturbing the meditators. > > > > > > Oh man! Motorcycles are the best. You can follow that roar for a > > > whole minute. Listening to it fade, disclosing space. Heavy trucks > > > going up the hill outside by apartement are great too. The heavy > > > rumble is like a huge cello. What beautiful vibrations. Love the > > > suckers! ) > > > > I love sounds too. You might like the music I was making then. I > was > > recording all kinds of environmental ambient sounds and making > sound > > sculptures with them. A friend of mine runs a label that puts out > > music like this. > > P: That's great! Are they on sale somewhere? I'm blessed to live > by a busy street, so I have all the random sounds a man could wish > for. But for people who live in a very quiet place, it would be gerat > stuff to buy. I made a tape of the noise by my street for a friend > who wanted to meditate with sounds. Of course, after a while > the randomness is gone because the mind starts remembering the > sequence of sounds and silence. The unexpected is always better. e# i live on a busy crossroad too, it's great; in New York i was at the angle 105th, Central Park avenue, the biggest sound was the trucks running over those huge steel plates that are in the middle of the road maybe to cover a hole (?) i like street sounds mixed with human voices and footsteps, and of course the magic of stereo where you are projected in the huge oudoors volume. hearing is consciousness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.