Sandeep finally answers Dabo -OR- let's cut to the bonemarrow / joe

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Nisargadatta , " dabo " <dscasta> wrote:

> so my question to you is:

>

> why would i seek something

> if i am satisfied with what is?

 

 

Exactly. You wouldn't. Being satisfied with what is could be said to

be a sign of somebody who's awake.

 

 

>

> p.s.

> maybe this 'enlightenment business'

> and pain are related somehow, don't you think?

 

" Enlightenment " arises with " dissatisfaction " . Seeking something

other than 'what is', IMO, creates the problem of " achieving

enlightenment " . IOW, enlightenment is a construct of a discontented,

searching mind. " You " create the problem/existence/ultimate panacea

of enlightenment.

 

Leave enlightenment alone and face the problem, the dissatisfaction

directly. (You creating the idea of) " Enlightenment " is creating the

idea for you that there is a way out. But there is no way out of

here!

 

The idea that there is a way out is only your thought of it. How bout

them apples? :-)

 

Joe

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Nisargadatta , " dabo " <dscasta> wrote:

> you miss in the very beginning.

> you see, you can't put dissatisfaction in " " .

> it is a fact.

> if my head hurts, it hurts.

> if i am bored, i am bored.

>

> pain is a fact.

 

You got a rude awakening coming if you think enlightened people are

free of pain! Go punch whoever you think is enlightened in the

belly. :-)

 

But don't let me intrude in on your fantasies.

 

Joe

 

> the buddhas say:

> what has not been lost

> can never be found.

>

> (or, it cannot be sought)

>

> you already ARE 'what is'.

>

> you already ARE free of pain.

>

> your seeking for it, your running after it

> creates the illusion that you are not.

>

> (or so the buddhas say)

> (i have to say this constantly

> or you will accuse me of cheating

 

 

Totally meaningless words. But carry on!

 

 

 

> IOW, enlightenment is a construct of a discontented,

> > searching mind. " You " create the problem/existence/ultimate

panacea

> > of enlightenment.

> >

> > Leave enlightenment alone and face the problem, the

dissatisfaction

> > directly.

>

>

> as we already established,

> these two are closely related.

>

> up to now i haven't heard of any other type of 'human being'

> that is free of dissatisfaction,

> besides the 'enlightened'.

>

> you know any?

 

Again, leave them alone! Your chasing your thoughts and creating a

world which doesn't exist with people that don't exist. All you can

do is face your dissatisfaction directly. Right now, you're running.

Get some New Balance, they last the longest.

 

 

> a true seeker is honest

 

" True " or not, a seeker is rummaging through bones in the graveyard

looking for gold.

 

These " bones " are the arisings in Mind -- which comprise everything

that can be known -- anything that is felt, seen, heard, whatever...

is impermanent, without self, and inadequate (in Buddhism known as

the 3 marks of existence). You are searching through these arisings,

hoping one of them -- a nice one which takes away your pain -- will

stick and last forever.

 

Best wishes,

Joe