Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 - " dabo " <dscasta <n0by > Wednesday, March 31, 2004 11:10 PM deva, wanna talk? - " deva " <devapriya <n0by > Wednesday, March 31, 2004 11:13 AM [n0by] Sandeep-Dabo - pain, satisfaction, 'enlightenment' > At 08:46 31.03.2004 +0300, dabo wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " dabo " <dscasta> wrote: > > > > so my question to you is: > > > > why would i seek something > > > > if i am satisfied with what is? > > > > > > Exactly. You wouldn't. Being satisfied with what is could be said to > > > be a sign of somebody who's awake. > > > > > > > > > >exactly. > > > >and so - pain and enlightenment ARE related. > >the enlightened is free of pain. > > > > Hi Dabo, > > very enjoyable, this shift from mere > humilations to something personal from > you, to real thoughts and impressions... > Thank you... > > I agree with the above said - that > the pain, the dis-satisfaction is the > trigger for us to start searching > for 'more' in life. It was like this > for me, already as a child, and it is > like this for everyone I came across. > > > >the enlightened is free of pain. > > > This is pure illusion, I sense - don't 'sense'. do you KNOW? no. so don't decide before you've known. > and this illusion thrives us to > 'become enlightened', just because > we want to get rid of the pain. > yes. we all want to get rid of the pain. > All life is pain. > It's painful to live in a small > vulnurable body. > It's painful to feel victim of the > hormons, triggering all kinds of thoughts > and emotions. > It's painful to do, to thrive, to try and > reach, to better live - and fail. > > Why should we think that all this disappears > when we awaken to the REAL? we shouldn't think at all. thinking is not knowing. do you understand this: to know is to experience. to know is to be. the only way to KNOW about enlightenment is to experience enlightenment. whatever you think about it is not it. whatever you think about it is false. it is like love. you don't know what love is until you fall in love. until you experience it. until you are it. before you've fallen in love you can listen about love, read about love, think about love all you want. will you know love? no. you will know love when it happens. when you fall in love. when you ARE love. it is a total state of your being. it is not a bunch of thoughts. so, right now, we don't know SHIT about enlightemnent. do you understand this? this is a fact. > The body is still there. is it? how do you know? Osho says: I don't have a body. why? do you know the way in which a buddha experiences his body? you don't. > Thoughts and emotions are still there. are they? how do you KNOW? you don't know. > Our story remains. yes, memory remains. but what is memory? > Pain is still there. is it? how do you KNOW, deva? you don't' know. > Nothing has changed. > you don't know that. the rest of what you say is irrelevant. just more thoughts about enlightenment. just thoughts about love, and you haven't fallen in love yet. these thoughts are nothing. they are dreams. a true seeker knows that he does not know dabo > The only change is that the focus > is not on the pain anymore. > Pain is there. Ok. > I AM ALL THIS. > and > THIS TOO I AM NOT. > Joy is there. Ok. > I AM ALL THIS. > and > THIS TOO I AM NOT. > > Resting in 'This-which-never-changes' > all of this can just be there. > Without fighting it. > Without dwelling in it. > Pain is there. Fine. > Anger is there. Fine. > Tears are there. Fine. > All of this comes and goes. > It's part of the body-mind-mechanism. > > The REAL pain, the 'feeling of separation', > may subside for the 'individual', because it > was never more than an illusion. And still > it is felt in the others, So how can it just > disappear? It's just part of being here. > > And satisfaction/dis-satisfaction? > I can be satisfied, all-accepting with 'my' life: > driving a Rolls Royce or go walking - > living in a palace or a hut. It doesn't matter, > it doesn't touch 'This-which-never-changes'. > > But life as such, this world, is failure - > just an illusion. How can there be satisfaction? > Content, yes, accepting - but satisfied? > > > > >'seeking' itself creates the problem. > > > >the buddhas say: > >what has not been lost > >can never be found. > > > > >your seeking for it, your running after it > >creates the illusion that you are not. > > > > > >Leave enlightenment alone and face the problem, the dissatisfaction > >directly. > > > > > >is creating the idea for you that there is a way out. But there is no way > >out of here! > > > It's all said, Dabo. > The very idea of anything to reach, > or even 'sammasati', 'right rememberance' > 'enlightenment', is the escape. > It is not-accepting was is. > Which brings us back to the 'ego I'. > > Dabo, if you feel lectured, forgive me. > This sharing is not meant as teaching. > I'm talking from experience, > from where I am a right now. > I've been seeking for long, escaping > into the 'spiritual realm'. > I've found nothing. And seeking stopped. > > Now I'm swinging back and forth. > From 'my life is a failure, I can't make it' > to 'I am all this - this too I'm not'. > And I start enjoying it:) > > d > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Nisargadatta , " dabo " <dscasta> wrote: snip > > and this illusion thrives us to > > 'become enlightened', just because > > we want to get rid of the pain. > > > > > > yes. > we all want to get rid of the pain. e# no man, some people don't suffer, just ask around. i am happy most of the time all year long (and getting on Pete's nerves with this for months) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 - " ericparoissien " <msrhood <Nisargadatta > Wednesday, March 31, 2004 11:43 PM Re: Fw: deva, wanna talk? -or- enlightenment and pain > Nisargadatta , " dabo " <dscasta> wrote: > > snip > > > > and this illusion thrives us to > > > 'become enlightened', just because > > > we want to get rid of the pain. > > > > > > > > > > > yes. > > we all want to get rid of the pain. > > e# no man, some people don't suffer, > just ask around. > i am happy most of the time all year long > (and getting on Pete's nerves with this for months) > yes, eric, i know. i can tell. this is why you are not a true seeker. (no offence) d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , " dabo " <dscasta> wrote: > snip > this is why you are not a true seeker. > > (no offence) > > > > d e# some people say that they have found and their quest is over;it's lamentable, they say: " i just wanted the pain to stop, and now it has ended and there is nothing left for me to seek " so there never was a quest then? To me i see a strong sense of separation between me and others, i judge them or admire them, my attitude to a person can change if he flatters me or insults me; i don't think i could stay peacefully seated three days in a row, one hour is quite enough. And what about sexuality? the problem is an ordeal, i want women i don't have, it is an area of vain quest and frustration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , " ericparoissien " <msrhood@a...> wrote: > And what about sexuality? the problem > is an ordeal, i want women i don't have, > it is an area of vain quest and frustration. ******* So many women, so little time! :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 > > i am happy most of the time all year long > > (and getting on Pete's nerves with this for months) Laugh! Go ahead feel important on my account. I only wish it were so. But would a happy man spend so much time, writting so much banality all over the net? Oh by the way, today is Eric day in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , " ericparoissien " <msrhood@a...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " dabo " <dscasta> wrote: > > > > snip > > > this is why you are not a true seeker. > > > > (no offence) > > > > > > > > d > > e# some people say that they have found > and their quest is over;it's lamentable, > they say: " i just wanted the pain to stop, > and now it has ended and there is nothing > left for me to seek " > so there never was a quest then? > To me i see a strong sense of separation > between me and others, > i judge them or admire them, > my attitude to a person can change > if he flatters me or insults me; > i don't think i could stay peacefully > seated three days in a row, > one hour is quite enough. > And what about sexuality? the problem > is an ordeal, i want women i don't have, > it is an area of vain quest and frustration. P: Hey, that's Ok, you're still young , full of nasty french hormones. Wait till you're my age. I look at a beautiful woman for a few seconds and I feel like I have done it to her. She has no secrets. I look away and forget I ever saw her. And judging people is alright too. An if you find them guilty, don't send them to jail. Put them on provation, your opinnion is bound to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 - " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us <Nisargadatta > Thursday, April 01, 2004 6:42 PM Re: Fw: deva, wanna talk? -or- enlightenment and pain > > > > i am happy most of the time all year long > > > (and getting on Pete's nerves with this for months) > > Laugh! Go ahead feel important on my account. I only wish it were so. > But would a happy man spend so much time, writting so much banality > all over the net? > > Oh by the way, today is Eric day in the US. > > actually, Pete, he is quite original. i don't know what else he could do with this skill though. Eric, he is just being jealous because of your happiness. happy people are always envied. sometimes so much that they get killed. so keep it a secret. d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , " dabo " <dscasta> wrote: > > - > " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > <Nisargadatta > > Thursday, April 01, 2004 6:42 PM > Re: Fw: deva, wanna talk? -or- enlightenment and pain > > > > > > > > i am happy most of the time all year long > > > > (and getting on Pete's nerves with this for months) > > > > Laugh! Go ahead feel important on my account. I only wish it were so. > > But would a happy man spend so much time, writting so much banality > > all over the net? > > > > Oh by the way, today is Eric day in the US. > > > > > > > actually, Pete, he is quite original. > > i don't know what else he could do with this skill though. > > > > Eric, > he is just being jealous because of your happiness. > happy people are always envied. > sometimes so much that they get killed. > so keep it a secret. e# i suspect many people to have little worries but to fake it to chime in with the group. > > > > > d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > > > > i am happy most of the time all year long > > > (and getting on Pete's nerves with this for months) > > Laugh! Go ahead feel important on my account. I only wish it were so. > But would a happy man spend so much time, writting so much banality > all over the net? > > Oh by the way, today is Eric day in the US. e# oh thanks Pete, in France it will be on May the 18th, if you can remember to greet me then and there too. (flowers?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " ericparoissien " <msrhood@a...> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dabo " <dscasta> wrote: > > > > > > > snip > > > > > this is why you are not a true seeker. > > > > > > (no offence) > > > > > > > > > > > > d > > > > e# some people say that they have found > > and their quest is over;it's lamentable, > > they say: " i just wanted the pain to stop, > > and now it has ended and there is nothing > > left for me to seek " > > so there never was a quest then? > > To me i see a strong sense of separation > > between me and others, > > i judge them or admire them, > > my attitude to a person can change > > if he flatters me or insults me; > > i don't think i could stay peacefully > > seated three days in a row, > > one hour is quite enough. > > And what about sexuality? the problem > > is an ordeal, i want women i don't have, > > it is an area of vain quest and frustration. > > P: Hey, that's Ok, you're still young , full of nasty french hormones. > Wait till you're my age. I look at a beautiful woman for a few seconds > and I feel like I have done it to her. She has no secrets. I look > away and forget I ever saw her. And judging people is alright too. > An if you find them guilty, don't send them to jail. Put them on > provation, your opinnion is bound to change. e# you have a special status i've thought the worse about you long ago, it's exhausted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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