Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 To all: It is said that The Self is The Self always, featureless and changeless. The body-mind is an imagined (or conceptualized) entity, an appearance if you will, that cannot possibly appropriate, attain or comprehend Enlightenment. Fair enough. Would it then be useful to say that... the only reasonable thing that a body-mind, in which the unfulfillable desire to " be enlightened " has arisen, can do is to acquiesce to the irrelevance of its own role? I'd like some feedback on this thought. Before any of you hit the reply button and start hammering away on those undoubtedly worn-out keyboards though, allow me to reiterate a remark I made once before: spare me the semantic games, for this is a sincere question. Regards --- Caspar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , " caspardegroot " <caspardegroot> wrote: > To all: > > It is said that The Self is The Self always, featureless and > changeless. The body-mind is an imagined (or conceptualized) entity, > an appearance if you will, that cannot possibly appropriate, attain > or comprehend Enlightenment. Fair enough. > > Would it then be useful to say that... the only reasonable thing that > a body-mind, in which the unfulfillable desire to " be enlightened " > has arisen, can do is to acquiesce to the irrelevance of its own role? > > I'd like some feedback on this thought. > > Before any of you hit the reply button and start hammering away on > those undoubtedly worn-out keyboards though, allow me to reiterate a > remark I made once before: spare me the semantic games, for this is a > sincere question. > > Regards > --- Caspar Yes, that and sit quietly for some time, daily, just being there. Simple enough isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 Nisargadatta , " caspardegroot " <caspardegroot> wrote: > To all: > > It is said that The Self is The Self always, featureless and > changeless. The body-mind is an imagined (or conceptualized) entity, > an appearance if you will, that cannot possibly appropriate, attain > or comprehend Enlightenment. Fair enough. > > Would it then be useful to say that... the only reasonable thing that > a body-mind, in which the unfulfillable desire to " be enlightened " > has arisen, can do is to acquiesce to the irrelevance of its own role? > > I'd like some feedback on this thought. > > Before any of you hit the reply button and start hammering away on > those undoubtedly worn-out keyboards though, allow me to reiterate a > remark I made once before: spare me the semantic games, for this is a > sincere question. > > Regards > --- Caspar Hi Caspar -- > Would it then be useful to say that... the only reasonable thing that > a body-mind, in which the unfulfillable desire to " be enlightened " > has arisen, can do is to acquiesce to the irrelevance of its own role? I'd say the acquiescence to the irrelevance of it's own role comes about through seeing/understanding. So, you cannot just resign yourself, that's a bad idea. IOW, resignation happens through understanding. Understanding what? That the bodymind and everything that you take to be " you " is an appearance in awareness, is seen by something/nothing. This is not theory and shouldn't be. The key is seeing this yourself, which requires some sitting down and spending quiet time looking into that which you consider you. Find the most seemingly permanent sensation which you take to be yourself and once you have it, investigate it deeply. It may be quite a shock to realize that spot that you think is you is being seen! It can't be you. Keep finding where you think you are -- until you've looked through all the rooms in the house, so to speak. What you'll find is that everything think you take to be you is an impermanent sensation somehow being seen. If that's the case, how will these impermanent sensations (which you've discovered is all " you " are made of) become enlightened?! And that which sees all of these has zero attributes, assuming there is even *anything* which sees all of this. So, that which sees cannot become enlightened either. Best wishes, Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 - " caspardegroot " <caspardegroot <Nisargadatta > Thursday, April 01, 2004 4:08 PM Irrelevance of the body-mind? > To all: > > It is said that The Self is The Self always, featureless and > changeless. The body-mind is an imagined (or conceptualized) entity, > an appearance if you will, that cannot possibly appropriate, attain > or comprehend Enlightenment. Fair enough. > > Would it then be useful to say that... the only reasonable thing that > a body-mind, in which the unfulfillable desire to " be enlightened " > has arisen, can do is to acquiesce to the irrelevance of its own role? > the moment the mind 'realizes' its own absurdity is the moment of enlightenment. it happens in a flash. it is an explosion of consciousness. there is one condition though: only the highly evolved mind can go beyond mind. or the fruit doesn't fall before it's ripe. dabo citing the buddhas > I'd like some feedback on this thought. > > Before any of you hit the reply button and start hammering away on > those undoubtedly worn-out keyboards though, allow me to reiterate a > remark I made once before: spare me the semantic games, for this is a > sincere question. > > Regards > --- Caspar > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 There is no self. Don't believe anything anyone tells you. Nisargadatta , " caspardegroot " <caspardegroot> wrote: > To all: > > It is said that The Self is The Self always, featureless and > changeless. The body-mind is an imagined (or conceptualized) entity, > an appearance if you will, that cannot possibly appropriate, attain > or comprehend Enlightenment. Fair enough. > > Would it then be useful to say that... the only reasonable thing that > a body-mind, in which the unfulfillable desire to " be enlightened " > has arisen, can do is to acquiesce to the irrelevance of its own role? > > I'd like some feedback on this thought. > > Before any of you hit the reply button and start hammering away on > those undoubtedly worn-out keyboards though, allow me to reiterate a > remark I made once before: spare me the semantic games, for this is a > sincere question. > > Regards > --- Caspar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 > There is no self. Don't believe anything anyone tells you. If you believe what you are saying then why are you giving advice? Bill - danananda2004 Nisargadatta Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:35 PM Re: Irrelevance of the body-mind? There is no self. Don't believe anything anyone tells you. Nisargadatta , " caspardegroot " <caspardegroot> wrote: > To all: > > It is said that The Self is The Self always, featureless and > changeless. The body-mind is an imagined (or conceptualized) entity, > an appearance if you will, that cannot possibly appropriate, attain > or comprehend Enlightenment. Fair enough. > > Would it then be useful to say that... the only reasonable thing that > a body-mind, in which the unfulfillable desire to " be enlightened " > has arisen, can do is to acquiesce to the irrelevance of its own role? > > I'd like some feedback on this thought. > > Before any of you hit the reply button and start hammering away on > those undoubtedly worn-out keyboards though, allow me to reiterate a > remark I made once before: spare me the semantic games, for this is a > sincere question. > > Regards > --- Caspar ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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