[AdvaitaToZen] Fw: HEY, JOE / vely impoltant pie fight this is! / pete

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Saturday, April 03, 2004 6:49 AM

Re: [AdvaitaToZen] Fw: HEY, JOE / vely impoltant pie fight this is!

 

 

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> dabo <dscasta wrote:

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> " pete seesaw "

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> Friday, April 02, 2004 7:46 PM

> Re: [AdvaitaToZen] Fw: HEY, JOE

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> | dabo wrote:

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> | " dabo "

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> | Friday, April 02, 2004 9:56 AM

> | HEY, JOE

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> | >Q: How does one practise sitting meditation?

> | A: Sitting meditation is the shutting down of all sense stimuli in order

> |> to realise that awareness is not a function of the senses or of the

> | thinking process. It is practised by sitting quite still with the

> |> eyes closed (or not focusing on anything), by letting life be, by

> | breathing in and out (not changing the breath, not trying to breath

> | >deeply), by just breathing the way one always breathes, and by

> | noticing the subtle changes in the mind and in the body. It is not

> |> difficult or complicated.

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> | >Hey, Davo,

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> | > P: Sorry to meddle, waddle in the pie fight. Risking getting pie on me

face.

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> | >Not that I would mind, specially if it's chocolate merengue pie. Anyway

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> | >shutting off sensory input it's impossible, and to try to do that would

create

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> | >distraction and conflict. How can one shut off bodily sensations, or even

sounds

and remain aware?

> IMO That's vely, vely bad advice.

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> >D: ok, i've made it chocolate merengue.........

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> >did you read it all?

> >did you read it carefully?

> it says:

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> >in order

> >| to realise that awareness is not a function of the senses or of the

> |> thinking process.

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> >let me repeat:

> >AWARENESS IS NOT A FUNCTION OF THE SENSES OR OF THE >THINKING PROCESS.

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> P: No need to repeat, or shout. I'm only mildly stupid. Sometimes, these

internet

conversations remind me of the joke about the three old men sitting on a park

bench.

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> The first one says, " It's windy today! " The second one says, " No, it's

Thursday. "

The third one says, " Me too. Let's go have a beer. "

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sorry for the shouts.

 

 

 

> D: >in another post Eric said: hearing is consciousness.

> >it is not. it is a function of consciousness, it comes AFTER consciousness.

> >consciousness can exist WITHOUT SENSORY INPUT.

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> >IT PRECEDES SENSORY INPUT.

> >so, when all sensory input stops,

> >consciousness still IS.

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> P: Excuse me, have you experienced a moment of consciousness without sensory

input?

Or you just have read about this?

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i have just read about this.

 

(maybe just one time.... but maybe doesn't count)

 

you?

 

 

 

 

 

> >and your natural question would be:

> >of WHAT will i be conscious?

> >and the answer is:

> >of YOURSELF.

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> P: No that was not my natural or unnatural question. There is no Self to be

conscious of.

 

 

 

 

you don't know this.

all you're conscious of now is sensory input.

 

 

 

 

>Consciosness could be aware of itself, but for that, awareness of sensory

input,

need not be stopped.

 

 

 

 

you don't know this.

all you're conscious of now is sensory input.

 

 

 

 

>My point was that >the stopping of sensory input, as described above in the

text:

" Sitting meditation is the shutting down >of all sense stimuli in order to

realise

that awareness is not a function of the senses or of the thinking process. "

Stated

>that way it sounds like a prescription, a task to be done while meditating.

 

 

 

it's not a task, a doing.

because consciousness is not a doing, it is your natural state.

this is why they say meditation is non-doing.

 

all they are saying here is that

in order for conscioussness to experience itself

all sensory input has to stop.

 

it stops naturally when you sit silently, doing nothing.

(they say...)

but for this you have to not concentrate on anything.

this is the difference between concentration and meditation.

you just let go of all objects of the senses and the mind.

 

what they say here does not mean shut your eyes and ears, etc.

you know that the mind is the sixth sense, right?

even if you shut all your senses the mind remains.

thoughts are objects too - they have to disappear.

feelings are objects too - they have to disappear.

 

when all this is gone

and there is only consciousness,

you are in meditation.

 

sitting quietly, doing nothing.

 

 

 

 

 

and if you don't get it,

you miss.

 

this is the key to all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

dabo thinking too much because of posts

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe that was only my interpretation. But if that was intended as a task to be

performed, then I repeat, it's vely vely bad advice.

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> sorry for the big dosages...

> hope it wasn't TOO MUCH.

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> P: No, chocolate merengue pie is never too much.

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> dabo the unconscious piethrower

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