[AdvaitaToZen] Apperception - what a mentally arousing concept! / sandeep

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sandeep i think he got lost. )

 

btw i won't harass you again.

don't stay away from the party because of me ok?

 

 

 

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In this world,

hate never yet dispelled hate.

In this world,

only love dispels hate.

 

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" sandeep " <sandeepc

<AdvaitaToZen >

Sunday, April 04, 2004 5:52 AM

Re: [AdvaitaToZen] Apperception - what a mentally arousing concept!

 

 

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> How's the wrestling going?:-)

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> " Harvey Schneider " <haarvi1

> <AdvaitaToZen >

> Thursday, April 01, 2004 08:42 PM

> Re: [AdvaitaToZen] Apperception - what a mentally arousing concept!

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> > " dabo " <dscasta

> > <AdvaitaToZen >

> > Thursday, April 01, 2004 5:15 AM

> > Re: [AdvaitaToZen] Apperception - what a mentally arousing concept!

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> > > did anybody get anything?

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> > That's what I was wondering too.

> > My plan is to go back and wrestle

> > with it a bit.

> > After all it is Sandeep.

> > I hope to submit a report on my

> > findings.

> > Harvey

> > (no new below)

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> > > " sandeep " <sandeepc

> > > <AdvaitaToZen >

> > > Thursday, April 01, 2004 7:45 AM

> > > Re: [AdvaitaToZen] Apperception

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> > > > Hi Pete/Harvey,

> > > >

> > > > The term apperception is as conceptual as any term that has been used,

> > that can be used.

> > > >

> > > > A conceptual pointing arises, when a question arises in a Master-seeker

> > milieu, about what is the enlightened state like.

> > > >

> > > > The very question about enlightenment, ............the very term

> > " enlightenment " is of significance only to a sense of seeker, isn't it?

> > > >

> > > > When I am all there is,..................what is not-I,...........such

> > that to become enlightened, or to remain unenlightened,.......all these

> > hoopla can be of any relevance to I?

> > > >

> > > > Sure, to thicken the plot of my play, I can manifest myself and

> > experience the joys of striving years and years to achieve myself through

> > practices, austerities, tapas, meditation, stand on my head, et all (someone

> > affirmed Buddha being a fool)

> > > >

> > > > Who is to stop I,........ to play out whatever roles I can dream up?

> > > >

> > > > Now coming back to that posed question on enlightenment, .......

> > > >

> > > > .......depending on the milieu in the moment,...... a response could be

> > " In my Dad's pad, time shall be no more " , (as arose through the dude Jesus)

> > > >

> > > > A conceptual pointing was born.

> > > >

> > > > Another was the pointing using the term Satchitanada of Parambrahman.

> > > >

> > > > Or the term Advait (Not-Two)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Seeing how the notional mind took all these pointings to be gospels,

> > goals, objectives to be pursued and to be achieved as an experience,.....

> > > >

> > > > ....in order to negate this objectivising as " Parambrahman " , or " X " , Y " ,

> > " Z " ...

> > > >

> > > > .....yet another concept, was born through the organism labeled

> > Buddha,........ which was the nothingness of Nirvan, likened to the blowing

> > off,........ of the candle flame.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Pointing that the very pointing is to a moon, where no moon

> > exists,.............a sound got uttered " Mu " , as yet another response for

> > the question.

> > > >

> > > > Or............. " your omelet is getting cold " .

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Or............. " enlightenment is that state of existing, when the very

> > concept of enlightenment, however conceived, has no relevance "

> > > >

> > > > Or,.................there was just the handing over of the Lotus Flower,

> > when seeing the absurdity of the question, a primal laughter arose through

> > the very seeker who had posited the question.

> > > >

> > > > Or, there was just a glance, a look in silence.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The term " apperception " has been used in modern

> > times,..................to once again point to the perceiving without a

> > perceiver thereof.

> > > >

> > > > The doing, without a doer thereof.

> > > >

> > > > Now while the term " apperception " is used in the context of Truth,

> > realization, enlightenment et al,...............it's actually the case even

> > for the context of licking an ice-cream cone.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Within a phenomenal context,..................the primariness of the

> > functioning,.....

> > > >

> > > > .......functioning as the doing, perceiving, reacting, responding,

> > relating,.............in the moment,............moment to moment to

> > moment,........

> > > >

> > > > .....with the notional existence of the " perceiver-subject " and the

> > separated to it,........... " the perceived-object " ,..............

> > > >

> > > > ............this is pointed to, by the term apperceiving.

> > > >

> > > > That,.......a man who is seeking for realization is not only going round

> > searching for his spectacles,....... without realizing that they are on his

> > nose all the time, ...........but also were he not actually looking through

> > them,........ he would not be able to see what he is looking

> > for,..................this is pointed to, in the usage of the term

> > " apperceiving " .

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > If at all,............there is a movement in the moment,....... as a

> > pointing.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Gentlemen of leisure, are loathe to stir themselves, even this much.

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