Fw: [GuruRatings] Can we have some soap, please. / mind and no-mind

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" dabo " <dscasta

<GuruRatings >

Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:16 AM

Re: [GuruRatings] Re: Can we have some soap, please.

 

 

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" ericparoissien " <msrhood

<GuruRatings >

Tuesday, April 06, 2004 12:46 AM

[GuruRatings] Re: Can we have some soap, please.

 

 

> GuruRatings , " Kaze no Tani no Aressandro "

> <alesv77@i...> wrote:

> >

> > Eric:

> > > e# in the case of Thich Quang Duc,

> > > the mood or state or trick he was able to display

> > > for a few seconds we will never know;

> > > but notice the stake has shifted

> > > to what should we think about Thich Quang Duc,

> > > and there opinions abound together with

> > > the funny process of mythologization of a character.

> > > i noticed also there is a tendency of respect

> > > towards those who successfully commit suicide,

> > > as if they had done a feat no one else can do,

> > > as if they had the ability to present themselves

> > > to that sacred place of death,

> > > in full ceremonial costume and have

> > > the divine ability to say yes at the right moment.

> > > When most TV watchers/church goers

> > > agree with you that this was a great guy...

> > > bweep bweep 'BS alert',

> > > the collective can only agree on misunderstandings.

> > >

> > >

> > Hi Eric.

> >

> > Although I agree

> > with the gist of your message,

> > I didn't say he was a great guy.

> >

> > The point is that I believe

> > that to be beyond sufference is one

> > of the more " near-to-objective " criteria

> > to rate gurus, if one

> > wish to venture upon that quest.

>

> e# sorry to note something out of topic

> but you said " i believe... is ... near-to-objective "

> you defeat your own language as you go :-)

> but i can forget it.

>

> >

> > And in the case of physical pain,

> > peacefulness beyond resistance-thresholds

> > can probably be proved

> > in double blind-like experiments.

>

> e# you close your eyes and i hammer my toe

> or your toe and you have to tell me which

> toe i just smashed?

> ok ok i'm in a silly mood as usual :-)))...

> i don't know what double blind means here

> but pain is a fairly near-to-objective criteria

> (i think) yet the yogis have proved,

> and my personal experience too, that the

> threshold of pain can be pushed very far

> and the guy still be as unenlightened as ever.

>

 

 

 

most of these 'sidhis', or special abilities

have nothing to do with enlightenment.

 

it is only good control of the body through the mind.

 

it does not mean you are beyond mind.

 

 

enlightenment is going beyond mind.

enlightenment is 'no-mind'. (zen)

 

 

 

 

dabo in the fucking mind