Fw: [GuruRatings] Alessandro if you have any trust in Ramana / concentration and meditation

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" dabo " <dscasta

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Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:35 AM

Re: [GuruRatings] Re: Alessandro if you have any trust in Ramana

 

 

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" ericparoissien " <msrhood

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Tuesday, April 06, 2004 1:50 AM

[GuruRatings] Re: Alessandro if you have any trust in Ramana

 

 

> GuruRatings , " Swami-G " <crystalkundalini@h...>

> wrote:

> > GuruRatings , " ericparoissien "

> > <msrhood@a...> wrote:

> > > Alessandro if you have any trust in Ramana

> > > for example;

> > > he said that a guy could go into nirvikalpa

> > > samadhi and come back after as much time as

> > > you wish and find his nasty moods exactly

> > > where he left them , with the same nasty

> > > " God how am i gonna pay this bill! " untouched

> > > and ready to bug the heart as ever.

> > > nirvikalpa samadhi is the degree of concentration

> > > that Ramana calls " without world/body feedback "

> > > and Thich Nhat Hanh who knew Thich Quang Duc

> > > described his firy-feat exactly in the term of

> > > a high degree of meditation without the word

> > > nirvikalpa but in his buddhistic words:-)

> >

> >

> > SG: that is a Kevala Nirvikalpa Samadhi ........

> > yet one that remains in a Sahaja Nirvikalpa Samadhi is

> > one in whom the mind and " I " thought does not rise again........

> >

> > Kevala versus Sahaja is between night and day ......

>

> e# i understand you point Swami and my reference is Ramana where it

> is made clear (and i can bring references) that no form of samadhi

> brings liberation or proves it which was Alessandro's point.

> Alessandro said detachment from pain is a proof of enlightenment and

> i oppose the argument of the yogi plus the higher samadhi accorfing

> to Ramana that does not root out the ego.

> for myself i say that i have been through all the possible samadhis

> as anyone who's tried this and that for years, and i am still with

> some mighty egocentric structure right in the middle of mesself.

>

 

 

 

samadhi is CONCENTRATION.

 

concentration does not bring about enlightenment.

it brings various SIDHIS, or special abilities.

telepathy, control of the body, etc.

 

 

when you are concentrating,

you are focusing your consciousness on an object.

you are doing exactly the opposite

of what you should be doing in meditation - not sticking to any object,

letting go of all objects.

 

sitting quietly, doing nothing.

 

ZAZEN.

 

 

 

 

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